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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 16:49:18
March 21 2014 16:47 GMT
#1161
What are the starting items for Ursa, that's the only concerning part. I think I'd get one level ES early-on and then max W/E

Also Enchantress needs arcane right? Juts double-checking because she is pretty frail and I wish I could get treads on her.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 16:49:55
March 21 2014 16:49 GMT
#1162
In which case u should be in the jungle lol. Whatever.

Starting items are same as every other melee carry in existence. Stout, regen, branches. RoP would be really nice to start with but imo it's pretty hard to justify. U could do something like stout, rop, salve if u get pooled a tango or two but lets be real here.

No ench doesn't need arcanes. Treads erry game.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 16:55:20
March 21 2014 16:52 GMT
#1163
On March 22 2014 01:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
Regardless, yes ES max should include blink first though a basi is still worth it imo. There's also some merit to mana boots in a ES-max build but u may get flamed for doing that. Mana boots happen to be fast as fuck.

I was going to mention this as well. Mana Boots are legit as hell on Earthshock-max Ursa.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 21 2014 16:54 GMT
#1164
Dont forget this shit has to pass the smell test for dubious-tier players to subscribe to it lol.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 21 2014 16:55 GMT
#1165
On March 22 2014 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
In which case u should be in the jungle lol. Whatever.

Swipes/Overpower has higher single-target damage by a wide margin than Earthshock early game. Earthshock has a more powerful blink timing, but there's not really an argument for Earthshock being the better skill in lane at all.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 21 2014 16:58 GMT
#1166
I assumed we wanted one in Earthshock for any ganks and the slow and then follow-up with your W/E for the fast/early kill.

Am I assuming Ursa in lane is wrong?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 17:05:51
March 21 2014 17:05 GMT
#1167
1 in each of swipes/op still lets you burst pretty much anybody u can hit early while the ES max is a better slow, helps if u have multiple opponents, and nice waveclear for farming etc. However, its up to you. There are indeed reasons to max swipes/op.
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Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
March 22 2014 04:57 GMT
#1168
If you're going to make it a standard build then maxing OP first should be fine, because really a max-Earthshock for an Ursa player should be tough if they're not going to fully teamfight the other team. And mid-low players don't really understand how to synergize them (imo).
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 17:57:36
March 22 2014 17:51 GMT
#1169
On March 22 2014 00:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 00:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
Specifically with wisp, you need a ton of hp/mana regen items to keep your buddy topped up but which in particular you need vary depending on the carry you are following around. For some, a bottle will keep them topped up on mana, for others you need a soul ring or arcanes. Note that wisp actually can't really run a mek on just a bottle for mana items assuming he's using spirits decently often.

All the things you've said "we discussed" are basically times where we have told you you are wrong and your response was "well it feels necessary to me" and left it on (aka hyperstone as "core" on naix).


Oof, you got me.

A lot of them I recall it going back and forth; specifically Anti-Mage Branches or Quelling Blade, AA build order and rushing Aghs, etc.

For others; I'd like to revisit them, specially the hoods where Coil seems to note that I do put Hood on a lot of heroes where it doesn't seem necessary.

The main ones I am really unsure about are: Sven, Pugna, Dragon Knight, Enchantress, Centaur and Clockwerk.

I'm still convinced about Hyperstone on Naix. It is basically the first item you want when building either Mjonllir or Assault Cuirass. If you check situational/extension items for him, they are both there; so this is meant to say: "get this and decide which you want to build" similar to how I did it for Doom and Timbersaw.

Makes sense to me, more power to you for sticking by what you believe in.

Edit:
Oh, I see how it is now. This thread was hijacked by the moderator and his friends and all the 'good things' about these guides that this player put into the guides have been removed. Hyperstone doesn't exist on Lifestealer's builds and Bloodstone doesn't exist on the one Zeus build. This entire thread is people just bullying the poor guy.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2014 18:25 GMT
#1170
Please go away and stop messaging me.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
March 22 2014 18:42 GMT
#1171
this guide has some pretty incorrect builds
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 18:51:45
March 22 2014 18:43 GMT
#1172
On March 23 2014 03:42 Elasticity wrote:
this guide has some pretty incorrect builds


Please point them out as this is a continuous project.

At 117 guides, 12 million + subscribers and a lot of variations to build heroes based on various situations; blanket statements without direction doesn't say much.

There are bound to be disagreements regardless.
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dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
March 22 2014 21:46 GMT
#1173
On March 23 2014 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Please go away and stop messaging me.

Before I posted here you followed me, apparently you read that post here and decided to not follow me. Looks like declaring the truth offends you. Sorry about that. Didn't realize you were a 'closet masochist'.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
March 22 2014 21:54 GMT
#1174
On March 23 2014 06:46 dcttr66 wrote:
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On March 23 2014 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Please go away and stop messaging me.

Before I posted here you followed me, apparently you read that post here and decided to not follow me. Looks like declaring the truth offends you. Sorry about that. Didn't realize you were a 'closet masochist'.

Please take your conspiracies elsewhere, this is not the thread for it.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 22:10:08
March 22 2014 22:04 GMT
#1175
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On March 23 2014 06:46 dcttr66 wrote:
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On March 23 2014 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
Please go away and stop messaging me.

Before I posted here you followed me, apparently you read that post here and decided to not follow me. Looks like declaring the truth offends you. Sorry about that. Didn't realize you were a 'closet masochist'.


It was a misclick from blocking you after your criticisms revolved around: 1. 'boasting' when I put a contact point for feedback in each guide and 2. that the update dates tab in each guide were 'boastful and inaccurate'.

First over PMs where I then ask you to post here as it is easier to follow; then you tell me how 'boastful' the guides over Twitter, then you post in each guide with a variety of points (they were valid points; but you didn't have to downplay everything I do)

This is after you complained to me about being warned as if I had any choice or effect on the matter and after I gave a fair view of your builds (like how you put too many items that it might be overwhelming):

Original Message From dcttr66:
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Original Message From Torte de Lini:
I think it's because the topic is purely dedicated to my project and so using it to 'promote' your own appears rude. I don't know what you were warned about, but that is my feeling.

I looked at some of your guides and they're a bit overwhelming with items and lack of reasonings behind them all. It's not easy to understand so for those who would use your guides; they'd feel pretty lost.

Take a look at my guides and check out the difference. I limit potential items to further emphasize the ones that really matter and are generally good to be used on that specific hero.

Original Message From dcttr66:
Hey if you want you can look at my guides. I think a moderator here saw my post and gave me a red warning but I don't know why he got so angry with me...you even claim to not be above average and willing to accept criticism and have discussed many things with players in this thread. So unless there's some ulterior motive I can assume linking you to my Steam Guides is acceptable. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't mind commenting on my guides and possibly even experimenting with them, at least in non-ranked games perhaps.

I've been playing this game for a long time, pretty much since before IceFrog took over, so that's why a lot of my builds are not mainstream at all. I like to think the quality of the game would improve if such guides were commonplace and not frowned upon, so please take a look and give me some feedback, thanks.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198036102991/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides


What happens if you want to can't rely on your build? It's too limited.

This guide of yours, http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129130896 looks good if your primary attribute is intelligence, but it's really not that effective. Pretty much all those items are good, but in different builds. This is a build that displays 5 different options. Granted, the guide is experimental, but if your team is lacking in a certain area, you can adjust. What would happen if for example, you got doomed or hooked by Pudge for his combination? Without my guide, you'd be stuck wondering why Repel isn't good enough, and you would come to the conclusion that Omniknight is just a bad hero. In my humble opinion, and it has to be humble because nearly everyone in thet Dota 2 community thinks I'm bad... this guide http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=171387257 would be more appropriate for players at large because it gives them a chance to realize that a hero can be flexible. Omniknight can for example buy a Linken's Sphere and use it to great effect as it will block spells that even Repel cannot. This is even more so the case since Linken's Sphere got that buff(for can cast it on allies) so you can cast repel and Linken's Sphere both on the same target, or even cast one on a different hero each.

This is just one of many easy examples where having entirely different sets of builds could prove advantageous. More importantly, it shows that not every hero is the same and therefore not all the item suggestions lists should look the same


Your whole viewpoint is pretty screwy. We have a friendly conversation over PMs, then you get insecure on Twitter so I don't respond, then you post some good ideas via Steam Community and then you post some crazy-ass conspiracy theory that makes absolutely no sense. Then I ask you to stop and you call me more insults; like wtf?


Moving on, Ogre Magi seems to gaining some traction, but I might play him more to figure which build is more common desired.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 24 2014 09:06 GMT
#1176
New subscription number is 13,025,681
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-25 11:13:21
March 24 2014 09:32 GMT
#1177
+ Show Spoiler [Statistical History] +
On March 10 2014 18:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 02:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
On February 04 2014 18:01 Torte de Lini wrote:

After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445

Average growth of subscribers is 77,066.25 from 65,036.74


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Dazzle
  • Faceless Void (recently updated)
  • Lion (recently updated)
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Juggernaut (recently updated)
  • Meepo (needs verification)
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker (sorely outdated)
  • Ember Spirit
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage (needs verification)
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer (needs verification)
  • Ancient Apparition
  • Broodmother (recently updated)


After ~15 days (Feb. 5 to Feb. 22), we have risen from 8,708,486 to 10,197,41 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,488,955
Average growth of subscribers is 90,242.84 from 77,066.25


Top 10 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Lone Druid [Jungle]
  • Slark [Middle]
  • Meepo
  • Faceless Void
  • Dazzle
  • Juggernaut
  • Phantom Lancer
  • Tiny [Middle]
  • Invoker
  • Legion Commander [Lane]


Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Bane
  • Ursa
  • Medusa
  • Venomancer
  • Pugna
  • Broodmother


It has officially been 1 year since the guide system release (and when I started this project)!


After ~15 days (Feb. 22 to Mar. 10), we have risen from 10,197,451 to 11,694,519 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,496,978
Average growth of subscribers is 99,953.15 from 90,242.93


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,219)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,058)
  • Tiny (Middle) (910)
  • Invoker (762)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (510)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Meepo (1,164 -> 28,208)
  • Ember Spirit (2,358 -> 12,039)
  • Spirit Breaker (4,981 -> 16,666)
  • Pudge (5,900 -> 13,496)
  • Lina (6,407 -> 20,838)
  • Lion (14,324 -> 34,266)
  • Slark (Lane) (15,396 -> 30,426)
  • Weaver (25,342 -> 45,731)
  • Clinkz (31,168 -> 61,833)
  • Mirana (34,910 -> 68,183)
  • Luna (42,572 -> 80,934)
  • Shadow Fiend (79,311 -> 101,547)
  • Terrorblade (86,050 -> 122,345)


Newly Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 10th


After ~15 days (Mar. 10 to Mar. 25), we have risen from 11,694,519 to 13,025,681 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,331,162
Average growth of subscribers is 111,330.607 from 99,953.15


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  • Juggernaut (1,294)
  • Phantom Lancer (1,112)
  • Tiny (Middle) (941)
  • Invoker (770)
  • Legion Commander (Lane) (579)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  • Naix (Jungle)
  • Nyx Assassin
  • Skywrath Mage
  • Leshrac
  • Medusa


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (737,338 -> 757,516)
  • Bounty Hunter (166,830 -> 190,690)
  • Luna (80,934 -> 111,375)
  • Meepo (28,208 -> 52,003)
  • Ember Spirit (12,039 -> 36,130)
  • Lion (34,266 -> 52,853)


Latest Released Guides:
  • Naix (Lane)
  • Ancient Apparition (Lane)
  • Shadow Shaman (Middle)
  • Beastmaster (Middle)





Associated Reddit Topic - March 24th
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 26 2014 15:05 GMT
#1178
Saw moonmeander use ur jakiro guide yesterday rofl.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 26 2014 15:13 GMT
#1179
On March 27 2014 00:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
Saw moonmeander use ur jakiro guide yesterday rofl.


I'm not sure who that is, but I will assume it's the right demographic
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
March 26 2014 15:19 GMT
#1180
Ahahahaha oh dear it really isn't.
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