EPTShould the current build be changed into Quas/Exort: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129334727
Or create a new build for Quas/Exort?
Also, how come Wex/Exort isn't played
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Should the current build be changed into Quas/Exort: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129334727 Or create a new build for Quas/Exort? Also, how come Wex/Exort isn't played | ||
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Spicy_Curry
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Create a new guide for Q/E because the style is completely different. | ||
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Belisarius
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At the same time, people following it might get confused since you've pretty much only ever covered QW voker so far. Maybe put a link to the new guide in the description if you do change it. Up to you. I think having both is a good step. | ||
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Velzi
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So i would keep the old, make new and make a link from old to new. | ||
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On May 21 2016 14:10 Nevuk wrote: QE/QW invoker should most definitely be different guides, they're pretty much entirely different heroes That is not the question. | ||
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On May 21 2016 13:46 firebfm wrote: For shadow shaman, according to dotabuff, max shackles then hex has the highest win rate with the second most popular build rate. So I tried the build and got a 5 streak win in a row. It's better than max ether shock I think. He can be played both ways, but it is hard to flash-farm with just disables. | ||
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Corrosive Skin 2. Nethertoxin 3. Poison Attack) Added Dragon Lance to Core Items Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items  TuskCreated New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Animal Courier to Starting Items Added Observer Ward to Starting Items Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items" Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items" Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items" Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Removed Stout Shield  MedusaNew Skill Build: W E W E W R W Q Q Q Q E E R R (1. Mystic Snake 2. Split Shot 3. Mana Shield) Added Dragon Lance to Situational Items Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items Moved Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Divine Rapier Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2 Dragon Knight (Middle) Dragon Knight (Lane) Added Shadow Blade to Core items Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items Moved Armlet to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items  Silencer (Lane)New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom) Terrorblade New Skill Build: Q E E W W W W E E R R Q Q Q R (1. Conjure Image 2. Metamorphosis 3. Reflection) Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items Added Tango to Starting Items Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Moved Quelling Blade to Early Game Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Moved Boots of Travel - Level 2 to Extension Items Moved Butterfly to Extension Items Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Removed Faerie Fire Removed Poor Man's Shield Removed Vladmir's Offering Removed Daedalus  MorphlingNew Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Waveform 2. Morph 3. Adaptive Strike) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Tango to Starting Items Added Iron Branch to Starting Items Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game Added Town Portal Scroll" to "Utility Items" Added Quelling Blade to Situational Items Moved Ethereal Blade to Core Items Moved Satanic to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Enchanted Mango Removed Bottle Removed Wraith Band Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2  Beastmaster (Lane)New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q (1. Call of the Wild 2. Inner Beast 3. Wild Axes) Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items Added Force Staff to Situational Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items Removed Enchanted Mango Removed Iron Branch Removed Magic Wand  BristlebackAdded Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Heaven's Halberd to Extension Items Removed Blight Stone Removed Wind Lace Removed Moon Shard Renamed Jungle Beastmaster (Middle)New Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E Q R Q Q Q R (1. Call of the Wild 2. Inner Beast 3. Wild Axes) Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Observer Wards to Utility Items Added Sentry Wards to Utility Items Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items Added Force Staff to Situational Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items Removed Stout Shield Removed Quelling Blade Removed Iron Branch Removed Healing Salve Removed Iron Talon Removed Boots of Speed Removed Bottle Removed Aghanim's Scepter Legion Commander (Lane) Added Daedalus to Extension Items Moved Iron Talon to Core Items Moved Blade Mail to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Magic Wand Removed Shadow Blade Legion Commander (Middle) Added Daedalus to Extension Items Moved Iron Talon to Core Items Moved Blade Mail to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Magic Wand Removed Shadow Blade Phoenix (Lane) New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Sun Ray 2. Fire Spirits 3. Icarus Dive) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Animal Courier to Starting Items Added Observer Ward to Starting Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Added Aether Lens to Extension Items Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items Removed Ring of Protection Removed Urn of Shadows Removed Rod of Atos Removed Octarine Core Renamed Offlane Phoenix (Middle) Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Added Aether Lens to Extension Items Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Removed Rod of Atos Removed Octarine Core Renamed Quas/Exort  Invoker (Middle)New Skill Build: E Q E Q E Q E Q W E R R E W E R W W W W W Q Q Q (1. Exort 2. Wex 3. Quas) Added Tango to Starting Items Added Boots of Speed to Core Items Added Blink Dagger to Core Items Added Linken's Sphere to Extension Items Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items Moved Hand of Midas to Core Items Moved Boots of Travel to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Removed Faerie Fire Removed Phase Boots Removed Urn of Shadows Removed Orchid of Malevolence Removed Necromonicon - Level 3 Removed Bloodthorn New Guide Invoker (Quas/Wex)Skill Build: Q W Q W Q W W Q W R R E W E E R E E E Q Q Q E W (1. Quas 2. Exort 3. Wex) Starting Items: Faerie Fire, Iron Branch, Iron Branch, Tango Core Items: Phase Boots, Urn of Shadows, Magic Wand, Orchid of Malevolence Situational Items: Hand of Midas, Drums of Endurance, Force Staff, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Black King Bar, Necromonicon - Level 3 Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Agahnim's Scepter, Refresher Orb, Octarine Core, Bloodthorn Notes: 5.  Mirana re-evaluate6. Abaddon re-evaluate 8. Night Stalker double-check 11.  Ursa (Jungle), Ursa (Lane) Mask of Madness Core/Vlad's Situational15.  Sniper (Lane), Sniper (Lane) double-check20. Review  Kunkka (Lane), Kunkka (Middle) skill build again (Middle: 1 point each -> Max W -> Max Torrent -> Max E)21. early blightstone of note: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/453377-in-game-standard-hero-builds-140-million-subscriptions?page=295#5896 | ||
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Simply slotting it in leaves them with {Aquila, Treads, Midas, bottle/wand, quelling blade/TP, shadow blade} at 8000 gold, still leaving them quite squishy and with a choice between QB and TP. And their next item is the relatively cheap Echo Saber. | ||
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Also u certainly dont start with invoke lvl1 and u cant lvl invoke 4 times (or did i miss something? isnt it 7-7-7-3 + 1 in stats maxed?) u start with 1 invoke, no? EQEQE QEQWE ERERW RWWWW WQQQ+ most common. Some situational items, Shivas and Refresher, both extremely good for invoker, maybe Refresher isnt the item u want to have in guide tho. Other items are fine imo. | ||
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On May 22 2016 02:25 Buckyman wrote: Slark's situational Midas needs a description saying when to get it and what to replace with it, or it shouldn't be there. Otherwise, pub slarks get it too late and kill their timing window, or 6-slot on <3k gold items. Simply slotting it in leaves them with {Aquila, Treads, Midas, bottle/wand, quelling blade/TP, shadow blade} at 8000 gold, still leaving them quite squishy and with a choice between QB and TP. It's in the situational items. They're not default buying it unless they can see an advantage. On May 22 2016 02:31 Velzi wrote: Doesnt invoker want to open up wex after 4-0-4, not after 4-0-5? double 4s gives u double forge spirit which is the first checkpoint with QE invoker Also u certainly dont start with invoke lvl1 and u cant lvl invoke 4 times (or did i miss something? isnt it 7-7-7-3 + 1 in stats maxed?) u start with 1 invoke, no? EQEQE QEQWE ERERW RWWWW WQQQ+ most common. Some situational items, Shivas and Refresher, both extremely good for invoker, maybe Refresher isnt the item u want to have in guide tho. Other items are fine imo. I can remove Refresher Orb. I thought it was good?? Level 1 Invoke is a mistake because the hero builds server no longer align with how Invoker can be leveled now. Nothing I can do (let me check). ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uPahqMA.png) lol | ||
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Velzi
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Refresher is really really good for invoker like i said but for someone who is using guides its really optimistic to expect them to use refresher to its maximum potential. Maybe have it situational and have description where u tell its really good if u can use it, but pretty much useless if u cant (no stats whatsoever) | ||
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On May 22 2016 02:54 Velzi wrote: Oh all righty then with the build. Refresher is really really good for invoker like i said but for someone who is using guides its really optimistic to expect them to use refresher to its maximum potential. Maybe have it situational and have description where u tell its really good if u can use it, but pretty much useless if u cant (no stats whatsoever) Hero Builds are used for people from sub 1k to 4k (even 4.5k). So you have to offer what's good and not "what's expected" of them. Situational Items are for items between Extension and Core. | ||
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PLEASE RATE UP THE NEW INVOKER GUIDEIt's almost fucking impossible to get it into the game without help nowadays. | ||
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