In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 305

On May 17 2016 08:05 Logo wrote:
Yeah updating the Phoenix build is long overdue.

Q-W-E-E-E-R-E is the safest opening for the guide I think. Q-E-E-W-E is more 'correct' but has a bigger difference between good and bad lane match ups.


Riki is tough, it seems like it's still out if he should be core or support but the only real difference between the guides are support items & phase boots or treads.

On May 16 2016 17:40 Birdie wrote:
Is Drums on Spectre still core? The str and agi nerfs are pretty big IMO

On May 16 2016 17:43 Velzi wrote:
Phase Urn Wand Vanguard seems a lot more appealing i agree, whether we want to go diffu manta or radi after vanguard idk.

On May 17 2016 07:09 Belisarius wrote:
If your mirana is core then you should probably look at the phase/RoA/aghs memebuild. I'm not convinced it's as good as people say, but it does make her farm fast. You just build all the same stuff after aghs so you won't need to change much.

Brood should maybe go back to orchid core? idk everything is situational on that hero.

Riki's fine, maybe situational echo sabre. I really dislike this "utility items" section you keep adding to random cores. Gem could easily be in situational and you don't need wind lace and tome in the guide.

KKa should definitely consider maxing E earlier. His skillbuild is hard because it depends on what you get from crushing the other mid's will to live with tidebringer versus ganking with E. I think core max W and support max E is a reasonable compromise.

Support ET is fine. I think aether lens > euls though, and sometimes you want more points in W.

That core ET is super weird. I don't think you max order first in any normal situation, and he's not particularly great as a manfighter. If you really want to play that style he should have blademail and probably drums instead of echo sabre, and a later BKB, but I think Core ET is much better as a mek rusher and aura mule.

Phx should max sunray on support and probably spirits in offlane.

We had the drow discussion several times. It just depends on your team and that's impossible to build into a guide. When she's picked in real games it's pretty much always for aura abuse, but imo delaying the aura is better than rushing it when you have nobody to use it.

On May 17 2016 18:42 prismazure wrote:
Why Midas on Slark? I feel like it's a waste.

On May 17 2016 22:45 Velzi wrote:
I feel like i rather see my pub spectres go full vanguard or something bigger after the urn rather than going for radi and fail miserably. Atleast with vanguard/drums etc u can soak some damage, but if u are phase urn, u die instantly. I do like the casual Vit Booster but how u implement that into guide is another story.

On May 16 2016 19:21 Velzi wrote:
Maxing aura with drow is situational at best in pubs because of how line up is build (its really not that simple to convince ur team to pick 5 range line up to get most out of drow aura) so most of the time its more reliable to max frost arrow for higher kill potential than maxing aura for 1-2 heroes (aura doesnt scale that well so u really have to have multiple heroes to get most out higher lvls of aura).

For Mirana, if u go 4-1-1-1, i would max out leap over arrow especially with the current right click build where u get a lot out of increased attack speed with maelstorm and diffusal procs. Problem with the build right now is the fact that u are trying to build right clicker without reliable farm (because it seems like this build starts out as a pos4 and tries to get kills to catch up in farm which doesnt always work out). I would rather see build be either straight out core mirana or support mirana, or possibly both in separate guides.

Beastmaster seems pretty okey, i havent seen Medallion/SR beastmaster forever, maybe take that off? Maybe move aghs to situational aswell because there is blink in core already, they kinda serve same purpose.

Talked about Phoenix earlier.

ET and Brood aint heroes for me, no idea.

On May 17 2016 14:03 Belisarius wrote:
If you're offlane you choose between ray and spirits depending on whether you can win the lane with spirits.

Since half the point of offlane phoenix is to screw with the carry using spirits, I think you should max spirits. Or at least 1-2-0 into 1-2-x-1.

On May 16 2016 17:40 Birdie wrote:
Is Drums on Spectre still core? The str and agi nerfs are pretty big IMO

On May 16 2016 17:43 Velzi wrote:
Phase Urn Wand Vanguard seems a lot more appealing i agree, whether we want to go diffu manta or radi after vanguard idk.

On May 17 2016 07:09 Belisarius wrote:
If your mirana is core then you should probably look at the phase/RoA/aghs memebuild. I'm not convinced it's as good as people say, but it does make her farm fast. You just build all the same stuff after aghs so you won't need to change much.

Brood should maybe go back to orchid core? idk everything is situational on that hero.

Riki's fine, maybe situational echo sabre. I really dislike this "utility items" section you keep adding to random cores. Gem could easily be in situational and you don't need wind lace and tome in the guide.

KKa should definitely consider maxing E earlier. His skillbuild is hard because it depends on what you get from crushing the other mid's will to live with tidebringer versus ganking with E. I think core max W and support max E is a reasonable compromise.

Support ET is fine. I think aether lens > euls though, and sometimes you want more points in W.

That core ET is super weird. I don't think you max order first in any normal situation, and he's not particularly great as a manfighter. If you really want to play that style he should have blademail and probably drums instead of echo sabre, and a later BKB, but I think Core ET is much better as a mek rusher and aura mule.

Phx should max sunray on support and probably spirits in offlane.

We had the drow discussion several times. It just depends on your team and that's impossible to build into a guide. When she's picked in real games it's pretty much always for aura abuse, but imo delaying the aura is better than rushing it when you have nobody to use it.