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 I'm just going to wait until after Epicenter to re-evaluate Anti-Mage. Just not sure when Vanguard is, but I tried it earlier on and didn't fully appreciate it and how it delayed my other items.I'll switch out Orchid of Aghs  Arcane and Meka over Tranq + Drums? Tomorrow is last stats, so last changes tonight/tomorrow.  Midas? | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
I would put it in situational at minimum. It's kind of arbitrary whether you call it core. If an item is the right choice in... idk... 40% of games and detrimental in the rest, is it core? What if that's 60% in 2k games? Idk either is fine. | ||
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Just played Doom Jungle. Meka would come too late, though I see its value (along with Pipe). Maybe Greaves late-game?? I have to figure out the timings because I go Basi -> Iron Talon -> Tranq  Been going Jungle: Iron Talon + Tango -> Boots -> Radiance. | ||
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 SvenMoved Echo Sabre to Core Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items  EnchantressNew Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Untouchable 2. Nature's Attendants 3. Enchant) Added Infused Raindrops to Utility Items Spirit Breaker Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items  LichAdded Veil of Discord to Extension Items  PudgeAdded Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items  BristlebackAdded Ring of Protection to Starting Items Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Blight Stone to Situational Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Healing Salve Drow Ranger Added Dragon Lance to Core Items Moved Silver Edge to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Boots of Travel Removed Aghanim's Scepter Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Mjollnir Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Yasha Anti-MageNew Skill Build: W Q E Stats Stats R Stats W W W R Q Q Q Stats R E E E (1. Blink 2. Mana Break 3. Spell Shield) Removed Vladmir's Offering Removed Poor Man's Shield Chaos Knight Added Quelling Blade to Core Items Added Blight Stone to Situational Items Removed Iron Branch x3 Lifestealer (Lane)Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Daedalus to Extension Items Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Removed Orb of Venom Removed Drums of Endurance Lifestealer (Jungle)Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Daedalus to Extension Items Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Skull Basher  ViperAdded Magic Wand to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Situational Items Added Satanic to Extension Items Removed Urn of Shadows Removed Heart of Tarrasque Templar Assassin Created New Tab: "Early Game" Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Added Ring of Aquila to "Early Game" Added Tome of Knowledge to "Utility Items" Moved Bottle to "Early Game" Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Magic Wand Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Monkey King Bar Queen of Pain Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items Removed Eye of Skadi Removed Refresher Orb  Bloodseeker (Lane)New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Butterfly to Extension Items Removed Orb of Venom Removed Hand of Midas Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar Bloodseeker (Middle)New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Butterfly to Extension Items Removed Hand of Midas Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar Bloodseeker (Jungle)New Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E Q W W R WW Q (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Butterfly to Extension Items Removed Hand of Midas Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar Bounty Hunter Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Wind Lace to Core Items (Roam) Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items" Removed Magic Wand Removed Heaven's Halberd Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Linken's Sphere Removed Force Staff Removed Assault Cuirass  RikiNew Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Blink Strike 3. Smoke Screen) Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items' Added Manta Style to Extension Items Moved Orb of Venom to Core Items Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items Winter Wyvern Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Soul Ring Windranger (Middle) Windranger (Lane) Removed Rod of Atos  WarlockNew Skill Build: W Stats W Stats W R W Q E E R E E Q Q R Q (1. Shadow Word 2. Upheaval 3. Fatal Bonds)  RubickAdded Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Removed Rod of Atos Storm Spirit Created New Tab: "Situational Items" Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to "Situational Items" Added Linken's Sphere to "Situational Items" Added Aghanim's Scepter to "Situational Items"  EnigmaAdded Animal Courier to Starting Items Added Observer Wards x2 to Starting Items Removed Iron Branch x3  Axe (Lane) Axe (Jungle)Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Moved Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items  BatriderAdded Wind Lace to Situational Items Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity  Tiny (Lane) Tiny (Middle)Created New Tab: "Early Game" Added Quelling Blade to "Early Game" Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Moved Echo Sabre to Core Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Night Stalker New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q W Q R E E R W W W (1. Void 2. Hunter in the Night 3. Crippling Fear) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Iron Talon to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to "Utility Items" Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items" Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Quelling Blade  Silencer (Lane)New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom) Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Situational Items Silencer (Middle)New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom) Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Wraith King Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items Doom (Lane)New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Devour 3. Infernal Blade) Added Drums of Endurance to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Removed Shadow Blade Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Echo Sabre Removed Sange & Yasha Doom (Jungle)New Skill Build: Q W E W W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour) Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Iron Talon to Core Items Added Drums of Endurance to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Removed Shadow Blade Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Echo Sabre Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Phase Boots  ClinkzAdded Blight Stone to Core Items Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Elder Titan (Lane) Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Black King Bar Elder Titan (Middle) Added Blade Mail to Situational Items  AlchemistAdded Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Skull Basher Removed Moon Shard To watch for
Notes: 4.  feedback5.  re-evaluate6. re-evaluate 7. double-check 8. double-check 11.  Mask of Madness Core/Vlad's Situational15.  double-check | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On May 11 2016 16:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Just played Doom Jungle. Meka would come too late, though I see its value (along with Pipe). Maybe Greaves late-game?? I have to figure out the timings because I go Basi -> Iron Talon -> Tranq Been going Jungle: Iron Talon + Tango -> Boots -> Radiance.come out of the jungle with doom and lvl 4 scorched earth + a mek and you're ready to team fight and steam roll. yes, greaves late game as the 4pos jungle is a must. again, makes you survivable and it boosts your utility in teamfights. you can go iron talon, tango, stout, arcanes, then mek. try out the item progression I had in the game I posted. and if its still coming up late, let me watch the replay and see if its an issue with the build or your jungle rotation (but my ~15 mek arcanes was actually delayed for me, too lol) jungle spawns definitely play a huge role in how fast your item progression comes out HP regen creep or +armor creeps are super crucial. oh, and again...what does echo sabre core mean!?! for what heroes lol | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Personally I think it's situational on all of them, but I can't deny that it's popular. | ||
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-- Situational on Riki. Pretty good on Slark and Sven | ||
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Notes: 4. feedback5. re-evaluate6. re-evaluate 7. double-check 8. double-check 11. Mask of Madness Core/Vlad's Situational15. double-check16. revise non-Midas build 17. revise mid skill build and both item builds 18.  rework itemization + skill build | ||
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ahswtini
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Back to the drawing board. Played a Lifestealer that went: Phase -> Armlet -> Echo Sabre -> Radiance was cool | ||
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prismazure
France7 Posts
For starting items: still fine for 6.87. nothing to change. But now there's an item I'd like to point out: Vanguard. To be fair, with this item, Time Walk and Time Dilation, it becomes very hard for Void to die. It gives him a lot of damage block on top of tank stats that really helps his new initiator role. Would it be better to add it as another situational item? Or put Aghs in situational and vanguard in the core. Obviously upgrading it into crimson armor if the team needs it, but it's not necessary to add as Void needs other items. "Aghanim's Scepter no longer increases Chronosphere's duration from 4/4.5/5 to 4/5/6" Which definitely makes it less worthwhile than it used to be. I don't think it's worth being core anymore as it only decreases cooldown. About Blink Dagger. With the Time Walk range buff it seems to have become less picked, but imo should stay core, Time Walk can't be enough to initiate. Situational: fine, Echo Sabre is up for debate thought. "Time Lock no longer deals double damage inside Chronosphere" so is it worth picking up this item anyways? Extension: BKB is good, MKB too, for Refreshers thought, I don't know. It's very, very expensive and hard to optimize. You will also need abysmal mana pool to use it. 975 mana to be exact with the chronospheres. You will need some items like Aghs/Sabre if you wanna have enough mana for it. Up to you. I'd swap Mjollnir for Manta Style. More all-rounded stats for a lesser cost, debuff removing as Time Walk doesn't do this and illusions can do more damage than chain lightning. There's another item that I am wanting to test: Radiance. It looks like it could work on Void. Got to test. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
Offlane Void's primary purpose is to initiate, not deal damage. Obviously in pubs its fairly scary to go full initiation over solid dps and okey initiation because u really cant trust ur teammates to follow up properly. Current build is mix of teamfight, initiation and some dps to make sure u are somewhat relevant even if u cant get off 5 man chronos constantly. Personally im not huge fan of aghs either but the fact that cooldown goes down so much and when the current meta is all about fighting constantly, not around big cooldowns, short cooldown on such a big teamfight spell its pretty damn good. Also if u check out the build closer u see the core being Vlads Blink Aghs (teamfight + initiation) and situational Sabre Diffusal (DPS). Whether we want to move back to Safelane Void over Offlane Void is up to Torte and how meta changes in the future. | ||
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TheGlitchMob
Canada61 Posts
also for skill build, everyone seems to be maxing sun ray, perhaps u should look at that | ||
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