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Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

April 29 2016 21:16 GMT

#6001

Sven
Moved Echo Sabre to Core Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Enchantress
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Untouchable 2. Nature's Attendants 3. Enchant)
Added Infused Raindrops to Utility Items

Spirit Breaker
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items
Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items
Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items

Lich
Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items

Pudge
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Bristleback
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Blight Stone to Situational Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve

Drow Ranger
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Moved Silver Edge to Core Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Removed Boots of Travel
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
Removed Monkey King Bar
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Sange & Yasha
Removed Yasha

Anti-Mage
New Skill Build: W Q E Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Mana Break 2. Blink 3. Spell Shield)
Removed Vladmir's Offering
Removed Poor Man's Shield

Chaos Knight
Added Quelling blade to Core Items
Added Blight Stone to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch x3

Lifestealer (Lane)
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Drums of Endurance

Lifestealer (Jungle)
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Drums of Endurance

Viper
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Added Satanic to Extension Items
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Heart of Tarrasque

Templar Assassin
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"
Added Tome of Knowledge to "Utility Items"
Moved Bottle to "Early Game"
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Sange & Yasha
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Monkey King Bar

Queen of Pain
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Eye of Skadi
Removed Refresher Orb

Bloodseeker (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Added Skull Basher to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Hand of Midas
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Abyssal Blade
Removed Monkey King Bar

Bloodseeker (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Added Skull Basher to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Removed Hand of Midas
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Abyssal Blade
Removed Monkey King Bar

Bloodseeker (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E Q W W R WW Q (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Added Skull Basher to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Removed Hand of Midas
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Abyssal Blade
Removed Monkey King Bar

Bounty Hunter
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Wind Lace to Core Items (Roam)
Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items"
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Linken's Sphere
Removed Force Staff
Removed Assault Cuirass

Riki
New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Blink Strike 3. Smoke Screen)
Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items'
Added Manta Style to Extension Items

Winter Wyvern
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items
Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Soul Ring
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Tranquil Boots

Windranger (Middle)
Windranger (Lane)
Removed Rod of Atos

Warlock
New Skill Build: W Stats W Stats W R W Q E E R E E Q Q R Q (1. Shadow Word 2. Upheaval 3. Fatal Bonds)

Rubick
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Removed Rod of Atos

Storm Spirit
Created New Tab: "Situational Items"
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to "Situational Items"
Added Linken's Sphere to "Situational Items"
Added Aghanim's Scepter to "Situational Items"

Enigma
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Wards x2 to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch x3

Axe (Lane)

Axe (Jungle)
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Moved Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Batrider
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity

Tiny (Lane)

Tiny (Middle)
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Quelling Blade to "Early Game"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Moved Echo Sabre to Core Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items

Night Stalker
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q W Q R E E R W W W (1. Void 2. Hunter in the Night 3. Crippling Fear)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Iron Talon to Core Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to "Utility Items"
Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items"
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Quelling Blade

Silencer (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom)
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Rod of Atos to Situational Items

Silencer (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom)
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Rod of Atos to Situational Items

Wraith King
Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items

Doom (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Devour 3. Infernal Blade)
Added Drums of Endurance to Core Items
Added Blade Mail to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items
Removed Shadow Blade
Removed Assault Cuirass
Removed Echo Sabre
Removed Sange & Yasha

Doom (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q W Q W W R W E E E R E Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour)
Added Drums of Endurance to Core Items
Added Blade Mail to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items
Removed Shadow Blade
Removed Assault Cuirass
Removed Echo Sabre
Removed Sange & Yasha

Clinkz
Added Blight Stone to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items

Elder Titan (Lane)
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Blade Mail to Extension Items
Removed Black King Bar

Elder Titan (Middle)
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items

To watch for

Look into Infused Raindrops Application
Adjust Starting Items due to 20 new gold availability
Adjust Echo Sabre inclusion
Retext Shadow Blade/Silver Edge
Heroes to test: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

Notes:

1.

Vanguard before or after Battlefury
2.

Blademail still core?
4. feedback
5. re-evaluate
6. re-evaluate
7. double-check
8. double-check
9. Max Jinada second (two points Wind Walk)
10.

Alter Doom to be more caster (Arcane/Meka)
11.

Mask of Madness Core/Vlad's Situational
12. Echo Sabre Core?
13.

Hurricane Pike Extension?

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

April 29 2016 21:50 GMT

#6002

Mek SnY viper makes no sense.

Mek aghs works because your plan is to be unkillable while spreading cancer in fights. If you buy SnY you're intending to be a DPS source, and rightclick viper needs to snowball super hard. There's no way you can waste 2k on mek and still plan to rightclick.

Either stick with mek aghs or switch fully to the damage build. Both are fine. A weird hybrid is not fine.

Velzi

Finland659 Posts

April 29 2016 22:01 GMT

#6003

On April 30 2016 06:50 Belisarius wrote:
Mek SnY viper makes no sense.

Mek aghs works because your plan is to be unkillable while spreading cancer in fights. If you buy SnY you're intending to be a DPS source, and rightclick viper needs to snowball super hard. There's no way you can waste 2k on mek and still plan to rightclick.

Either stick with mek aghs or switch fully to the damage build. Both are fine. A weird hybrid is not fine.

100% agreed, i proposed DPS build earlier and i guess i wasnt clear enough.

I dont know u have to snowball super hard with DPS Viper, honestly i think its other way around in pubs, if u commit to Mek Aghs and dont get enough done during midgame u will fall behind. But obviously if u are behind its better to be aghs mek viper than DPS viper without damage.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

April 29 2016 22:18 GMT

#6004

ok i will revert it back

Buckyman

1364 Posts

April 30 2016 03:02 GMT

#6005

Have you considered DLance and/or Hurricane Pike on your utility Viper? The DLance gives Viper's poison attacks the range to complement his increased Aghs ult range for slow stacking, and Pike gives him the ability to punt an enemy hero out of position while they can hardly move.

(This is a 'try it' suggestion rather than a 'do it' suggestion)

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

April 30 2016 13:37 GMT

#6006

On April 30 2016 12:02 Buckyman wrote:
Have you considered DLance and/or Hurricane Pike on your utility Viper? The DLance gives Viper's poison attacks the range to complement his increased Aghs ult range for slow stacking, and Pike gives him the ability to punt an enemy hero out of position while they can hardly move.

(This is a 'try it' suggestion rather than a 'do it' suggestion)

I considered DLance, but felt it wasn't all that useful.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/176083254/matches?hero=viper

Of interest.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

April 30 2016 14:44 GMT

#6007

Notes:

1.

Vanguard before or after Battlefury
2.

Blademail still core?
4. feedback
5. re-evaluate
6. re-evaluate
7. double-check
8. double-check
9. Max Jinada second (two points Wind Walk)
10.

Alter Doom to be more caster (Arcane/Meka)
11.

Mask of Madness Core/Vlad's Situational
12. Echo Sabre Core?
13.

Hurricane Pike Extension?

Velzi

Finland659 Posts

April 30 2016 14:52 GMT

#6008

BH Jinada got nerfed too, and also the increased mana cost in shadow walk makes more lvls in shadow walk more appealing thanks to increased duration and increased mana cost (basicly saying increased mana cost makes more lvls in shadow walk BH less mana reliant since u can stay invisible longer with one cast). Also the damage increase in shadow walk is double the amount said because u can abuse the fact u can attack during fade time with the added damage without breaking invisibilty (obviously harder with shorter fade time).

copocom

Indonesia4 Posts

May 01 2016 12:30 GMT

#6009

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BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

May 01 2016 17:35 GMT

#6010

pike on viper is fine. there are a lot of physical dmg carries that you want to get off your teammates and kite. and since kiting is pretty much why youd want to pick viper, the active (and stats) make sense to pick up on the hero.

i havent specifically played it, but it seems good in theory.

razor10854

Indonesia8 Posts

May 02 2016 02:26 GMT

#6011

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firebfm

22 Posts

May 02 2016 02:44 GMT

#6012

Trolling? The channel doesn't exist.

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

May 02 2016 03:20 GMT

#6013

He screwed up with the ... in the middle, didn't copy it correctly I think.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

May 02 2016 16:18 GMT

#6014

I'm still regularly updating the post above.

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

May 02 2016 20:22 GMT

#6015

Hurricane Pike on TA feels really good, but I haven't played enough games to be sure about it. The main issue I have is that you have to get quite close to activate it but with it as your only mobility item it can be difficult to activate it.

Playing TA hurricane pike with a bounty hunter on your team is 10/10 though.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

May 02 2016 22:34 GMT

#6016

Just played the new Doom offlane.

What a dreamboat

Buckyman

1364 Posts

May 03 2016 20:11 GMT

#6017

I'd like to submit Extension Blade Mail on Elder Titan for consideration. There is major synergy between Blade Mail and maxed Natural Order - returned damage is effectively unreduced Pure. It's currently popular in mid-skill pubs - although not at the top, showing up in only 3/20 4.5k+ games sampled.

On an unrelated note, I'd also suggest adding a clarity to Elder Titan's starting items.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

May 04 2016 00:54 GMT

#6018

On May 04 2016 05:11 Buckyman wrote:
I'd like to submit Extension Blade Mail on Elder Titan for consideration. There is major synergy between Blade Mail and maxed Natural Order - returned damage is effectively unreduced Pure. It's currently popular in mid-skill pubs - although not at the top, showing up in only 3/20 4.5k+ games sampled.

On an unrelated note, I'd also suggest adding a clarity to Elder Titan's starting items.

Ok on Elder Titan

I see Alchemist - Mid skipping bottle now.

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

May 04 2016 01:52 GMT

#6019

I don't really see why. He wants to go for runes because bounty, pushes waves very well, needs mana to do so, and can be bullied badly in some matchups. Sounds like a bottle hero to me.

Yes, it's not as useful once he has ult, but it makes his path to ult infinitely smoother.

RE: blademail, I feel like it's situational/extension on like half the heroes in the game right now. Core ET is probably one of the better candidates. I don't think it's needed on support ET.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

May 04 2016 04:58 GMT

#6020

Played a ton of Ranked.

Very dull experience, lots of Slark and Alchemist picks; yield even less variety of heroes to test and practice versus.

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