In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 300

On April 29 2016 04:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
on sven If you buy echo sabre you kinda have to skip SnY
Since treads blink hotd echo sabre is already 4 slots then tp and bkb and ur maxed.
echo sabre does allow you to skip/sell stick though since it's enough mana.

On April 29 2016 04:36 Buckyman wrote:
Did you decide (on Ench) not to delay Nature's Attendents 1 in favor of Untouchable?

Since I made the suggestion, I spectated the start of a Enchantress game by Artstyle for research purposes. He skilled 2-1-0 at level 3.

On April 29 2016 07:42 Logo wrote:


I thought people generally were at most on the fence for Sven? He slots out so fast that the item has a short window if you're going traditional stuff like blink, hotd, & bkb.

On April 29 2016 08:01 BluemoonSC wrote:
Hi torte! I've played enough of the patch and can make some comments going forward.

For starters echo sabre is 100% the item on sven and should replace your sny. The synergy between the item and God's strength is too good to pass up. He also has mana issues and this fixes that flaw.

On April 29 2016 08:55 Buckyman wrote:


Dotabuff data refutes his theory that Echo Saber is the main reason for Elder Titan's increased win rate. Elder Titan's win rate increased by 3.88%, but he builds Echo Saber only 3.08% of the time, and builds it and goes on to win less than 2% of the time.

On April 30 2016 00:11 Sn0_Man wrote:

u get to spam warcry between camps though so it evens out

u do definitely need blink with it, that part is indisputable.

On April 29 2016 08:49 Velzi wrote:
some thoughts for the heroes i play most:

TA, i would remove extension SnY, there is like no reason to go SnY TA if u have Blink, rather put Hurricane Pike than SnY to extension (or move to situational). Like the adds u had on notes, nothing to add there. For the lvling i tend to take traps @lvl12 just for the increased vision and by the time u are lvl12 (minute 17-20 normally if u went deso first) u should have blink so u dont really need extra range from lvl3 and lvl4 Psi Blades.

WR, remove situational Atos, dunno why its there in the first place, u get the stats u need and want from the Aghs and u rather go for damage if u have problems killing people during shackle than get slow to extend the duration u are able to shoot.

Warlock Middle, i would get atleast one value point in q before lvl10, maybe @ 4 or 8 (atleast by the time u have aghs and lvl11 u want to have lvl(s) in q.

Viper, i would remove the whole Mek+Aghs build and go more right click, its hard to get most out of mek timing in pubs so might as well go more farm oriented and solo kill potential oriented build. Keep starting and early, core items maybe Treads SnY BKB, situational Manta/Silver Edge, extension MKB Daedalus AC (Skadi/Satanic/HoT, havent tested these out after patch and UAM remove). Also Urn seems to overlap with Drums and RoA as early game item, i would rather not have 3 early to mid game items with Viper, u are gonna get outfarmed if u invest that hard for the early game and dont get enough out of it (and this especially for the pubs where getting objectives is harder for obvious reasons)

Storm, situational Eul's and Linken could be useful addition, build lacks defensive options outside of BKB which is not always the item u wanna go for. QOP has Linken's and Eul's in situational and they kinda both need "oh shit i got caught insurance".

Rubick, i dont think u want to go Atos on Rubick either, Aghs are so much fun Maybe Aghs to extension if u get fat and Eul's to situational if u need silence removal/reset.

Whats the purpose of the mirana build? Start as 5, end up 1? no idea.

Luna, items are fine imo, i dont know how we could make it in the guide where we save the lvl4 skill point and bump our points into glaive when we dont need to care about not pushing the lane anymore. I usually end up going qeq_qrqwwwwr or sometimes even leave q at 3 and go qeq_qrwwwwqr if u really push out for the farming.

Jakiro maxing q over w depends on ur euls timing but i guess its safer and easier to max q over w if u dont know how ur eul's and lvls line up.

Enigma doesnt really need those 2 branches at start, rather help out the other support and buy courier/wards or something. (clarity+Sage = 375 so u have 250g to use for courier and wards and still save up a bit for Soul Ring)

With the recent change to hood i would put hood back to core items for centaur (im pretty sure i was against this like 1-2 months ago) but its so cheap now i dont think u can skip it.

Thoughts?