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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-12 18:55:10
April 28 2016 16:05 GMT
#5981
    This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: Logo, Sn0_Man, Buckyman, Velzi, StarVe, Belisarius, t3hh4ck3r, Thetwinmasters, firebfm, CosmicSpiral, logawa, joelthezombie15, trumpete, xhe4DHunt3r, jerseydevilz, doctorxerxes, 2toasty, parnakra, mastersanskar, TheDrGoo, aeroblaster, DrQuint, FaerlessImmortal, joblagz2, drowranger, M13lus, LegoPirate, SmaugtheStupendous, perverse_sheaf, LordHussyPants, tonygxp

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-28 21:18:53
April 28 2016 18:57 GMT
#5982
Back to the grind:

Notes:

1.
Vlads to Situational
Blade Mail to Extension Items (consider replacing Urn with Blade to Shadow Blade)
Wind Lace to Situational Items
Echo Sabre Situational Items

2.
Additional Late-Game Items

3.
Force Staff to Situational Items
1 More Extension Item

4.
Earlier Blade Mail before BKB?
BKB to Extension Items?
Wind Lace Situational?
Blight Stone First Core?
Infused Raindrops replaces Ring of Basilius
Crimson Guard to Situational
Solar Crest to Extension

5.
Dragon Lance Core
Daedalus to Extension

6.
Blight Stone Early Game or at Core between Power Treads and Magic Wand or After Drums (when you get illus levels)
Quelling Blade Core before Magic Wand, after Treads

7.
Remove Orb of Venom (Lane) from Early Game
Core Items: Phase -> Echo -> Armlet -> S&Y
Extension: remove Deso, Add Daedalus, MKB, Assault Cuirass, Heart

8.
Look into Satanic + Deso
Aghs resituate?

9.
Remove MKB
Add Butterfly + Moon Shard
Diffusal Blade to Situational Items

10.
Blight Stone in Early Game
Wind Lace as Core
Blood Rite at 9, 2 points in Bloodrage
Double-check with Dotabuff

11.
Hurricane Pike Extension Items

12.
Echo Sabre Core? Figure out when to get it. Suggested to replace S&Y

13. include windlace as core - roam

14. Aghanim's Extension

15. wind lace situational

16. 2-1-0 at level 3.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-28 19:06:23
April 28 2016 19:05 GMT
#5983
on sven If you buy echo sabre you kinda have to skip SnY
Since treads blink hotd echo sabre is already 4 slots then tp and bkb and ur maxed.
echo sabre does allow you to skip/sell stick though since it's enough mana.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-28 19:15:27
April 28 2016 19:14 GMT
#5984
On April 29 2016 04:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
on sven If you buy echo sabre you kinda have to skip SnY
Since treads blink hotd echo sabre is already 4 slots then tp and bkb and ur maxed.
echo sabre does allow you to skip/sell stick though since it's enough mana.


You're right. I'm going to try a game and see how Sven works with Echo Sabre over S&Y.




On a side-note, I feel this patch is a lot easier than previous two patches in terms of adapting the builds. I don't feel as intimidated or scared about additions/changes.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
April 28 2016 19:36 GMT
#5985
Did you decide (on Ench) not to delay Nature's Attendents 1 in favor of Untouchable?

Since I made the suggestion, I spectated the start of a Enchantress game by Artstyle for research purposes. He skilled 2-1-0 at level 3.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 28 2016 21:18 GMT
#5986
On April 29 2016 04:36 Buckyman wrote:
Did you decide (on Ench) not to delay Nature's Attendents 1 in favor of Untouchable?

Since I made the suggestion, I spectated the start of a Enchantress game by Artstyle for research purposes. He skilled 2-1-0 at level 3.


I think I said I would do it after stats, so I'll add it to the list.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 28 2016 21:18 GMT
#5987
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDoTA2/comments/4guers/echo_sabre_the_new_drums_and_hero_analyses/

Interesting discussion.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 28 2016 21:27 GMT
#5988
yeah but the op is heavily wrong in the cases of sven (one of the best) and bristle (literally cannot think of a worse one)

as for the comments, slardar is OK if you don't need BKB but most of the time slardar isn't run as a safelaner which is where echo sabre is most viable.
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
April 28 2016 22:42 GMT
#5989
On April 29 2016 06:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but the op is heavily wrong in the cases of sven (one of the best) and bristle (literally cannot think of a worse one)

as for the comments, slardar is OK if you don't need BKB but most of the time slardar isn't run as a safelaner which is where echo sabre is most viable.


I thought people generally were at most on the fence for Sven? He slots out so fast that the item has a short window if you're going traditional stuff like blink, hotd, & bkb.
Logo
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-28 22:46:29
April 28 2016 22:44 GMT
#5990
On April 29 2016 07:42 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2016 06:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but the op is heavily wrong in the cases of sven (one of the best) and bristle (literally cannot think of a worse one)

as for the comments, slardar is OK if you don't need BKB but most of the time slardar isn't run as a safelaner which is where echo sabre is most viable.


I thought people generally were at most on the fence for Sven? He slots out so fast that the item has a short window if you're going traditional stuff like blink, hotd, & bkb.


Sn0_Man suggested skipping S&Y for it

I played it, but I didn't do very well as a whole; so I don't know how I feel about it.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-28 23:01:41
April 28 2016 23:01 GMT
#5991
Hi torte! I've played enough of the patch and can make some comments going forward.

For starters echo sabre is 100% the item on sven and should replace your sny. The synergy between the item and God's strength is too good to pass up. He also has mana issues and this fixes that flaw.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 28 2016 23:25 GMT
#5992
On April 29 2016 08:01 BluemoonSC wrote:
Hi torte! I've played enough of the patch and can make some comments going forward.

For starters echo sabre is 100% the item on sven and should replace your sny. The synergy between the item and God's strength is too good to pass up. He also has mana issues and this fixes that flaw.


I just played it with Echo Sabre.

I miss the movement speed on Yasha, but I can see the validity of Echo Sabre. Got Moon Shard by 30 minutes; so it helps farm too.
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
April 28 2016 23:49 GMT
#5993
some thoughts for the heroes i play most:

TA, i would remove extension SnY, there is like no reason to go SnY TA if u have Blink, rather put Hurricane Pike than SnY to extension (or move to situational). Like the adds u had on notes, nothing to add there. For the lvling i tend to take traps @lvl12 just for the increased vision and by the time u are lvl12 (minute 17-20 normally if u went deso first) u should have blink so u dont really need extra range from lvl3 and lvl4 Psi Blades.

WR, remove situational Atos, dunno why its there in the first place, u get the stats u need and want from the Aghs and u rather go for damage if u have problems killing people during shackle than get slow to extend the duration u are able to shoot.

Warlock Middle, i would get atleast one value point in q before lvl10, maybe @ 4 or 8 (atleast by the time u have aghs and lvl11 u want to have lvl(s) in q.

Viper, i would remove the whole Mek+Aghs build and go more right click, its hard to get most out of mek timing in pubs so might as well go more farm oriented and solo kill potential oriented build. Keep starting and early, core items maybe Treads SnY BKB, situational Manta/Silver Edge, extension MKB Daedalus AC (Skadi/Satanic/HoT, havent tested these out after patch and UAM remove). Also Urn seems to overlap with Drums and RoA as early game item, i would rather not have 3 early to mid game items with Viper, u are gonna get outfarmed if u invest that hard for the early game and dont get enough out of it (and this especially for the pubs where getting objectives is harder for obvious reasons)

Storm, situational Eul's and Linken could be useful addition, build lacks defensive options outside of BKB which is not always the item u wanna go for. QOP has Linken's and Eul's in situational and they kinda both need "oh shit i got caught insurance".

Rubick, i dont think u want to go Atos on Rubick either, Aghs are so much fun Maybe Aghs to extension if u get fat and Eul's to situational if u need silence removal/reset.

Whats the purpose of the mirana build? Start as 5, end up 1? no idea.

Luna, items are fine imo, i dont know how we could make it in the guide where we save the lvl4 skill point and bump our points into glaive when we dont need to care about not pushing the lane anymore. I usually end up going qeq_qrqwwwwr or sometimes even leave q at 3 and go qeq_qrwwwwqr if u really push out for the farming.

Jakiro maxing q over w depends on ur euls timing but i guess its safer and easier to max q over w if u dont know how ur eul's and lvls line up.

Enigma doesnt really need those 2 branches at start, rather help out the other support and buy courier/wards or something. (clarity+Sage = 375 so u have 250g to use for courier and wards and still save up a bit for Soul Ring)

With the recent change to hood i would put hood back to core items for centaur (im pretty sure i was against this like 1-2 months ago) but its so cheap now i dont think u can skip it.

Thoughts?
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
April 28 2016 23:55 GMT
#5994
On April 29 2016 06:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDoTA2/comments/4guers/echo_sabre_the_new_drums_and_hero_analyses/

Interesting discussion.


Dotabuff data refutes his theory that Echo Saber is the main reason for Elder Titan's increased win rate. Elder Titan's win rate increased by 3.88%, but he builds Echo Saber only 3.08% of the time, and builds it and goes on to win less than 2% of the time.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 00:07:39
April 29 2016 00:05 GMT
#5995
some notes:

Eternal Envy: MoM -> Silver Edge -> Dragon Lance

On April 29 2016 08:55 Buckyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2016 06:18 Torte de Lini wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDoTA2/comments/4guers/echo_sabre_the_new_drums_and_hero_analyses/

Interesting discussion.


Dotabuff data refutes his theory that Echo Saber is the main reason for Elder Titan's increased win rate. Elder Titan's win rate increased by 3.88%, but he builds Echo Saber only 3.08% of the time, and builds it and goes on to win less than 2% of the time.


/r/TrueDota2 is /r/LearnDota2 with an ego. I never take their discussions as full truths, but for ideas and consideration.
Not just the OP but subsequent discussions.

also, personal note: need to revise entire Abaddon itemization, its so bad

going to dinner then I can start working down some notes and feedback
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 00:48:10
April 29 2016 00:37 GMT
#5996
Sven farms more slowly with echo versus SnY. The movement speed between camps gives him a significant GPM boost.

idk it's awkward. I've tried saber a few times and he just slots out so ridiculously quickly that it's hard to justify so many 2k items. I think it's for games where you're constantly joining fights, and there's some key squishy that you can blink on and blow up. You need blink with it or you never get in range.

If you actually get to rice the way sven wants to, I think it's a waste.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 19:43:38
April 29 2016 13:04 GMT
#5997
Sven
Moved Echo Sabre to Core Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Enchantress
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Untouchable 2. Nature's Attendants 3. Enchant)
Added Infused Raindrops to Utility Items

Spirit Breaker
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items
Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items
Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items

Lich
Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items

Pudge
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Bristleback
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Blight Stone to Situational Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve

Drow Ranger
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Shadow Blade to Core Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Moved Helm of the Dominator to Situational Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Removed Boots of Travel
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
Removed Monkey King Bar
Removed Mjollnir

Anti-Mage
New Skill Build: W Q E Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Mana Break 2. Blink 3. Spell Shield)
Added Vanguard to Core Items
Removed Vladmir's Offering
Removed Poor Man's Shield

Chaos Knight
Added Quelling blade to Core Items
Added Blight Stone to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch x3

Lifestealer (Lane)
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Echo Sabre to Core Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Drums of Endurance

Lifestealer (Middle)
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Echo Sabre to Core Items
Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Drums of Endurance

Viper
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Added Satanic to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Heart of Tarrasque

Templar Assassin
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"
Added Tome of Knowledge to "Utility Items"
Moved Bottle to "Early Game"
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Sange & Yasha
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Monkey King Bar

Queen of Pain
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Eye of Skadi
Removed Refresher Orb

Bloodseeker (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Added Skull Basher to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Hand of Midas
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Abyssal Blade
Removed Monkey King Bar

Bloodseeker (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Added Skull Basher to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Removed Hand of Midas
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Abyssal Blade
Removed Monkey King Bar

Bloodseeker (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E Q W W R WW Q (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Added Skull Basher to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Removed Hand of Midas
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Abyssal Blade
Removed Monkey King Bar

Silencer (Lane)
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items

Bounty Hunter
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Wind Lace to Core Items (Roam)
Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items"
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Linken's Sphere
Removed Force Staff
Removed Assault Cuirass

Riki
New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Blink Strike 3. Smoke Screen)
Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items'
Added Manta Style to Extension Items

Winter Wyvern
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items
Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Soul Ring
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Tranquil Boots

Windranger (Middle)
Windranger (Lane)
Removed Rod of Atos

Warlock
New Skill Build: W Stats W Stats W R W Q E E R E E Q Q R Q (1. Shadow Word 2. Upheaval 3. Fatal Bonds)

Rubick
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Removed Rod of Atos

Storm Spirit
Created New Tab: "Situational Items"
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to "Situational Items"
Added Linken's Sphere to "Situational Items"
Added Aghanim's Scepter to "Situational Items"

Enigma
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Wards x2 to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch x3

Axe (Lane)
Axe (Jungle)
Added Wind Lace to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Moved Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items



To watch for
  • Look into Infused Raindrops Application
  • Adjust Starting Items due to 20 new gold availability
  • Adjust Echo Sabre inclusion
  • Retext Shadow Blade/Silver Edge
  • Heroes to test: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,


Notes:

1. Vanguard before or after Battlefury
2. Bloodmail still core?
3. Echo Sabre?
4. feedback
5. re-evaluate
6. re-evaluate
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2016 15:11 GMT
#5998
On April 29 2016 09:37 Belisarius wrote:
Sven farms more slowly with echo versus SnY. The movement speed between camps gives him a significant GPM boost.

idk it's awkward. I've tried saber a few times and he just slots out so ridiculously quickly that it's hard to justify so many 2k items. I think it's for games where you're constantly joining fights, and there's some key squishy that you can blink on and blow up. You need blink with it or you never get in range.

If you actually get to rice the way sven wants to, I think it's a waste.

u get to spam warcry between camps though so it evens out

u do definitely need blink with it, that part is indisputable.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 17:26:24
April 29 2016 15:28 GMT
#5999
On April 30 2016 00:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2016 09:37 Belisarius wrote:
Sven farms more slowly with echo versus SnY. The movement speed between camps gives him a significant GPM boost.

idk it's awkward. I've tried saber a few times and he just slots out so ridiculously quickly that it's hard to justify so many 2k items. I think it's for games where you're constantly joining fights, and there's some key squishy that you can blink on and blow up. You need blink with it or you never get in range.

If you actually get to rice the way sven wants to, I think it's a waste.

u get to spam warcry between camps though so it evens out

u do definitely need blink with it, that part is indisputable.


I also think that the cheaper cost in Echo Sabre mitigates the difference of farming speeds to reach the extension items/other core items.




I played Lifestealer with Echo Sabre, I see how it is warranted, but I couldn't do it comfortably with a creep. Maybe my technique is wrong.




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Just fits

On April 29 2016 08:49 Velzi wrote:
some thoughts for the heroes i play most:

TA, i would remove extension SnY, there is like no reason to go SnY TA if u have Blink, rather put Hurricane Pike than SnY to extension (or move to situational). Like the adds u had on notes, nothing to add there. For the lvling i tend to take traps @lvl12 just for the increased vision and by the time u are lvl12 (minute 17-20 normally if u went deso first) u should have blink so u dont really need extra range from lvl3 and lvl4 Psi Blades.

WR, remove situational Atos, dunno why its there in the first place, u get the stats u need and want from the Aghs and u rather go for damage if u have problems killing people during shackle than get slow to extend the duration u are able to shoot.

Warlock Middle, i would get atleast one value point in q before lvl10, maybe @ 4 or 8 (atleast by the time u have aghs and lvl11 u want to have lvl(s) in q.

Viper, i would remove the whole Mek+Aghs build and go more right click, its hard to get most out of mek timing in pubs so might as well go more farm oriented and solo kill potential oriented build. Keep starting and early, core items maybe Treads SnY BKB, situational Manta/Silver Edge, extension MKB Daedalus AC (Skadi/Satanic/HoT, havent tested these out after patch and UAM remove). Also Urn seems to overlap with Drums and RoA as early game item, i would rather not have 3 early to mid game items with Viper, u are gonna get outfarmed if u invest that hard for the early game and dont get enough out of it (and this especially for the pubs where getting objectives is harder for obvious reasons)

Storm, situational Eul's and Linken could be useful addition, build lacks defensive options outside of BKB which is not always the item u wanna go for. QOP has Linken's and Eul's in situational and they kinda both need "oh shit i got caught insurance".

Rubick, i dont think u want to go Atos on Rubick either, Aghs are so much fun Maybe Aghs to extension if u get fat and Eul's to situational if u need silence removal/reset.

Whats the purpose of the mirana build? Start as 5, end up 1? no idea.

Luna, items are fine imo, i dont know how we could make it in the guide where we save the lvl4 skill point and bump our points into glaive when we dont need to care about not pushing the lane anymore. I usually end up going qeq_qrqwwwwr or sometimes even leave q at 3 and go qeq_qrwwwwqr if u really push out for the farming.

Jakiro maxing q over w depends on ur euls timing but i guess its safer and easier to max q over w if u dont know how ur eul's and lvls line up.

Enigma doesnt really need those 2 branches at start, rather help out the other support and buy courier/wards or something. (clarity+Sage = 375 so u have 250g to use for courier and wards and still save up a bit for Soul Ring)

With the recent change to hood i would put hood back to core items for centaur (im pretty sure i was against this like 1-2 months ago) but its so cheap now i dont think u can skip it.

Thoughts?


For TA. I applied most of what you suggested. The leveling suggestion doesn't reflect what's being played, sounds like personal preference.


You got it


You got it

I am very adamant on not adding Silver Edge to Viper and feel strong about Mekansm. I don't think builds should be oriented necessarily to reflect less teamplay, but try and push more for it; especially if the item(s) are still commonly used in both comp. and pubplay anyways

I've pushed Aghs back, S&Y forward. Added Satanic to Extension as a test of orb effects. Applied most of your suggestions


You got it. I removed Linken's at 6.87 to start moving away from "Luxury Items" tab


You got it


I dont know what to do about Mirana


Nothing we can do about "holding skill points", just have to make an executive decision


You got it
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