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On April 27 2016 00:45 Buckyman wrote: They've been independent for a while, but Chain Frost wasn't. 1) Are you only removing DLance because you're replacing it with Pike? Because the new Agi-based version is even better for Drow. 2) What triggered the Manta/S&Y swap? 1. Yes 2. Removal of the Aghs build On April 27 2016 01:11 theqat wrote: just wanted to say thanks torte, just signed up on patreon to do a small part to keep this thing going. it has been such a huge help so many times for me. Wow, thank you so much man. I appreciate that and everyone here who gives their feedback/input. Myself and everyone here is doing what they can to push this as soon as possible while 6.87 is still fresh for everyone! On April 27 2016 01:21 Thetwinmasters wrote: alch should have armlet before you buy radiance How so? Due to armour? On April 27 2016 02:31 Buckyman wrote: Sniper - After the Shrapnel buff, you should once again consider leaving Take Aim at 2 or 3 and maxing Shrapnel by 9. Mid especially, because the short lane makes Take Aim less relevant. Ok. I'll do that. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote: i don't like alch armlet myself but the new armour bit is very attractive for the hero. I will add it, but it comes out odd for a middle Radiance build. | ||
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6.87 Planning Posts Personal Notes
Actual Schedule (PST) Day 1 - 11:30-2:30PM: Reading Patch Notes, writing Personal Notes - 2:30-5:00PM: Reading User Feedback/Comments; collecting basis of changes Day 2 - 1-7:30AM: Beginning Draft Separation of Heroes/Skills/Items/Unchanged - 11:30AM-5:30PM: Application of Draft Changes - 5:30-6:30 PM: Publishing All Hero Builds - 6:30-10:30PM: Testing, Feedback, Final Additions/Changes Total Elapsed Time: 22 Hours *Reference Formatting Post | ||
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Final Total Subscriptions (6.86): 136,424,340 DRAFT Patch 6.87 Unchanged + Show Spoiler +                                 Skill Changes subject to change  Level 1 -> Poison In view of Forge Spirits change Sacrifice at Lvl 3, push max Frost Blast after. (Make Descriptions reflect to sacrifice RANGED creep. Note Frost Blast + Ice Armour Slows are independentAdjust Aghanim's text (see Wind Lace)  (Middle) Max Shrapnel by 9 (Take Aim 2-3 lvls)Item Changes subject to change Move Drums of Endurance to Core - Carry  Replace Abyssal Blade with Skull BasherRemove all Luxury Items, Assault Cuirass + Move Blink Dagger to Extension Items, Add Daedalus to Extension Items  Remove Eul's Scepter of Divinity Add Blade Mail to Core Items, remove Abyssal Blade, push Assault Cuirass to Extension Items, Remove Luxury ItemsAdd Shiva's Guard to Extension Items, Move Blade Mail to Extension Items Add Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items, remove Monkey King Bar Add Aether Lens to Extension Items, Remove Scythe of Vyse, Move Guardian Greaves to Extension Items, Add Medallion of Courage + Mekansm + Arcane Boots to Core ItemsRemove Luxury Items Tab, move Shiva's Guard + Aether Lens to Extension Items, Add Lotus Orb to Situational Items  Move Silver Edge to Extension Items, remove Drums of Endurance (Lane), Move Sange & Yasha to Core Itemsremove drums of endurance Remove Luxury Items, Replace Shadow Blade with Silver Edge (Situational), Remove Dragon Lance, Reverse Manta with Sange and Yasha, Remove Daedalus, Add Satanic to Extension Items  Add Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items, Add Urn of Shadows to Situational Items, Remove BottleRemove Drums of Endurance  Move Drum of Endurance to Situational Items, Remove Assault Cuirass Remove Scythe of Vyse + Shiva's Guard. Move Guardian Greaves + Glimmer to Extension Items, Add Drums of Endurance, Remove Boots of Speed Remove Abyssal Blade + Eye of Skadi + Drums of Endurance, Reverse Manta Style + Sange and Yasha, Move Diffusal Blade lvl 2 to Extension ItemsRemove Luxury Items + Satanic. Move Desolator to Situational, Move Blade Mail + Silver Edge to Extension Items  Remove Urn of Shadows (Lane), Move Aether Lens to Extension Items (Lane) Replace Abyssal Blade with Skull Basher (update Infest descriptions -> Ancients at 2-3) Remove All Situational Items, Add Moon Shard to Extension ItemsAdjust to Necro 3 build: Power Treads -> Medallion -> Vlads -> Necro 3. BKB to Situational Items, Extension: Assault, Deso, Solar Crest || Jungle: Early Game (TEST): Stout -> Ring of Basi -> Sobi Mask -> Morbid Mask || Lane: Starting Items (TEST): Tango, Mango, Ring of Protection, Stout Shield, Quelling Blade -> Boots  Remove Desolator, + Monkey King Bar + Drum of Endurance + Butterfly, Move Manta Style to Core Items, Move Diffusal Blade + Linken's to Extension Items. Add Veil of Discord + Lotus Orb to Situational + Aghanim's to Extension, Replace Treads with PhaseAdd Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Remove All Luxury Items  Remove Drum of Endurance + Abyssal Blade + Magic Wand + Iron Branch x2, Move Sange & Yasha to Core Items, move Skull Basher to Extension Items || Starting Items: Stout + Ring of Protection + Tango + Salve. Early Game: PMS -> QB -> Power Treads -> RoA Remove Urn of Shadows + Force Staff Remove Core - Pusher + Soul Ring + Scythe of Vyse, Move Guardian Greaves + Aghanim's to Extension Items. Move Eul's to Core Items (before Aether Lens), Add Drums of Endurance to CoreMoved Black King Bar to Extension Items, Remove Orchid Malevolence + All Luxury Items + Assault Cuirass  remove Abyssal Blade, Add Skull Basher to Extension Items, Add Desolator to Extension Items swap Force with BlinkMove Aether Lens + Aghanim's to Core, Force Staff to Extension Items, Eul's Scepter to Situational Items  move Silver Edge to Extension Items, Remove Drum, Remove Daedalus Lane: remove Orchid of Malevolence || Middle: Remove Force Staff, Move Silver Edge to Extension Items, Remove Orchid of Malevolence, Remove Scythe of Vyse Move BKB to Extension Items, Move Force Staff to Situational Items, Add Desolator to Core Items : Remove Drums of Endurance + Abyssal Blade, Move Silver Edge to Core Items (after Echo Sabre), Remove All Luxury Items (Moon Shard to Extension Items). Linken's Sphere to Situational Items. Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Remove Daedalus Remove Drum of Endurance, Move Blade Mail to Extension Items, Remove Heart of Tarrasque, Move Refresher Orb to Extension Items (Remove All Luxury Items)Remove Drum of Endurance, Remove Monkey King Bar Add Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items, Remove All Luxury Items  Remove Drum of Endurance, Remove Assault Cuirass, Remove Monkey King Bar Remove Drum of Endurance, Remove DaedalusRemove All Situational Items  Remove All Luxury Items Remove Abyssal Blade - replace with Skull Basher, Remove Eye of Skadi (replace with Eye of Skadi), Add Monkey King Bar to Extension ItemsRemove Eye of Skadi, Remove Monkey King Bar Add Agh's to Extension Items, Remove Refresher Orb Remove Hand of Midas + Desolator + Abyssal Blade, Move Blade Mail to Extension Items, Add Quelling Blade to Core Items (before Power Treads) Move Bloodstone to Core Items, Move Veil to Extension Items, Close Luxury Items (Oct. Core to Extension Items), Remove Boots of SpeedNew Items Application: subject to change Bloodthorn , , , , Echo Sabre  (Extension), (Core - Carry, before Sange & Yasha), , (Situational Items), (Middle), , (Situational Items), Lifestealer (Extension Items), (before Diffusal Blade), (Core after Blight Stone), (after Shadow Blade), , (Extension Items), (Extension Items), (Situational Items)Blight Stone ,  (Early Game), , , Riki (Early Game). (Core - After Blink)Infused Raindrops (Utility) Look into all heroes that typically get Ring of Aquila that may not need the Agi (e.g , )Wind Lace (Early Game),  , , (Situational Items), , (Situational Items), , (Lane/Middle) Hurricane Pike (Extension Items), (Extension Items), (Extension Items)Potential New Guides subject to change Quas/Exort Build (See Manila)![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/h0GgqYs.png) New color for patch 6.87 (White) | ||
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Abaddon Moved Drum of Endurance to Core - Carry Moved Solar Crest to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items Alchemist (Lane)Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Moved Armlet of Mordiggian to Core Items Moved Moon Shard to Extension Items Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Alchemist (Middle)Added Armlet of Mordiggian to Core Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items Moved Moon Shard to Extension Items Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Arc Warden (Lane) Arc Warden (Midde) Moved Desolator to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Removed Divine Rapier Removed Scythe of Vyse Removed Manta Style Removed Drum of Endurance BristlebackAdded Daedalus to Extension Items Moved Moon Shard to Extension Items Moved Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Removed Aghanim's Scepter Removed Heart of Tarrasque Removed Boots of Travel Removed Monkey King Bar Centaur Warrunner Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Chaos Knight Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Removed Monkey King Bar ClinkzAdded Blight Stone to Core Items Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items Move Solar Crest to Situational Items Removed Orchid of Malevolence DazzleNew Skill Build: Q E E W E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Shadow Wave 2. Shallow Grave 3. Poison Touch) Death Prophet Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Aether Lens to Extension Items Moved Shiva's Guard to Extension Items Removed Boots of Speed Removed Heart of Tarrasque Doom (Lane) Doom (Middle)Added Echo Sabre to Core Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items Moved Refresher Orb to Extension Items Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Boots of Travel Removed Heart of Tarrasque Dragon Knight (Lane) Dragon Knight (Middle) Moved Moon Shard to Extension Items Moved Satanic to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Monkey King Bar Drow Ranger Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Added Silver Edge to Situational Items Moved Manta Style to Situational Items Moved Sange and Yasha to Extension Items Removed Shadow Blade Removed Daedalus Removed Boots of Travel Removed Aghanim's Scepter Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Mjollnir EarthshakerAdded Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Removed Bottle Ember Spirit (Lane) Ember Spirit (Middle) Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2 Removed Divine Rapier Removed Abyssal Blade EnchantressAdded Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Removed Force Staff Removed Assault Cuirass Faceless Void Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Daedalus Removed Boots of Travel Removed Butterfly Moved Refresher Orb to Extension Items IOAdded Drum of Endurance to Extension Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Scythe of Vyse Removed Shiva's Guard InvokerAdded Bloodthorn to Extension Items Moved Refresher Orb to Extension Items Moved Octarine Core to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Scythe of Vyse JuggernautAdded Skull Basher to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Core Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Diffusal Blade - Lvl 2 to Extension Items Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Eye of Skadi Legion Commander (Lane) Legion Commander (Middle) Moved Desolator to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Moon Shard Removed Satanic Removed Boots of Travel Removed Monkey King Bar Leshrac (Lane)Moved Aether Lens to Extension Items Removed Urn of Shadows Lifestealer (Lane) Lifestealer (Jungle)Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Removed Abyssal Blade LunaAdded Moon Shard to Extension Items Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Drum of Endurance Lycan (Lane) Starting Items: Tango, Enchanted Mango, Stout Shield, Ring of Protection Added Blight Stone to Core Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Core Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items Removed Abyssal Blade Lycan (Jungle) Added Morbid Mask to Early Game Added Blight Stone to Early Game Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Core Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items Removed Abyssal Blade MiranaAdded Phase Boots to Core Items Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Added Aghanim's to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Core Items Moved Diffusal Blade - Lvl 2 to Extension Items Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items Removed Power Treads Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Desolator Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Butterfly Nature's Prophet Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items Moved Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Daedalus Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2 Removed Aghanim's Scepter Oracle (Lane) Oracle (Middle) Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Outworld Devourer Removed Boots of Travel Removed Refresher Orb Removed Octarine Core Phantom AssassinStarting Items: Stout, Ring of Protection, Tango, Healing Salve Early Game: Poor Man's Shield, Quelling Blade Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items Moved Skull Basher to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Magic Wand Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Abyssal Blade PudgeAdded Wind Lace to Situational Items Removed Urn of Shadows Removed Force Staff PugnaAdded Drum of Endurance to Extension Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Removed Soul Ring Removed Scythe of Vyse Queen of Pain Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Moved Eye of Skadi Removed Orchid of Malevolence Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Octarine Core Removed Boots of Travel RikiAdded Echo Sabre to Core Items` Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Desolator to Extension Items Removed Abyssal Blade RubickMoved Blink Dagger to Core Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Sand King Moved Aether Lens to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Shadow FiendMoved Silver Edge to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Daedalus Silencer (Lane)Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Removed Orchid of Malevolence Silencer (Middle)Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items Removed Orchid of Malevolence SlardarAdded Blight Stone to Core Items Added Echo Sabre to Core Items Added Desolator to Core Items Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Slark (Lane) Slark (Middle)Added Echo Sabre to Core Items Added Skull Basher to Core Items Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items Moved Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Moved Moon Shard to Extension Items Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2 Sniper (Middle)New Skill Build: W E E Q Q R Q W Q W R W E E (1. Headshot 2. Shrapnel 3. Take Aim) Removed Daedalus Sniper (Lane)Removed Daedalus SpectreMoved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2 Removed Refresher Orb Spirit Breaker Added Echo Sabre to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Monkey King Bar Storm Spirit Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items SvenAdded Echo Sabre to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Assault Cuirass Tiny (Lane) Tiny (Middle)Added Echo Sabre to Extension Items Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Daedalus Troll Warlord (Lane) Troll Warlord (Middle) Removed Drum of Endurance Removed Heaven's Halberd TuskRemoved Aghanim's Scepter Removed Black King Bar Removed Assault Cuirass Ursa (Lane) Ursa (Jungle)Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Eye of Skadi Windranger (Lane) Windranger (Middle) Added Bloodthron to Extension Items Winter Wyvern Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Wraith King Added Quelling Blade to Core Items Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Hand of Midas Removed Desolator Removed Abyssal Blade ZeusMoved Bloodstone to Core Items Moved Veil of Discord to Extension Items Moved Octarine Core to Extension Items Removed Aghanim's Scepter To watch for
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Actual Schedule (CEST) Day 1 - 11:30-2:30PM: Reading Patch Notes, writing Personal Notes - 2:30-5:00PM: Reading User Feedback/Comments; collecting basis of changes Day 2 - 1-7:30AM: Beginning Draft Separation of Heroes/Skills/Items/Unchanged - 11:30AM-5:30PM: Application of Draft Changes - 5:30-6:00 PM: Publishing All Hero Builds - 6:00-10:00PM: Testing, Feedback, Final Additions/Changes Total Elapsed Time: 21 Hours Total changes made: 285 approx. changes 68 Guides applied 79 Guides remain unchanged This latest update was made possible thanks to the feedback from the following community members. Sincerest thank you to: Logo, Sn0_Man, Buckyman, Velzi, StarVe, Belisarius, t3hh4ck3r, Thetwinmasters Patreon.com/Torte, heartfelt appreciation and mention goes to these generous monthly Patron campaign supporters. Sincerest thank you to: Pearson Mewbourne, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Mikey Kaminski, Dice, Kevin Hutton, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Patrick Schreck, Scott Cherington, Benjamin Miller, Kitaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Patrick Colton, Daniel Thackray, Tobias Iskov Thomsen, Jose Cacho, Max Kemeny, Matthew Nami, Joel Absolom, tale, Josh Miller, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, Slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Moe Foster, Alli Goss | ||
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On April 28 2016 01:19 firebfm wrote: Hey torte. The lich build have mekansm, but I couldn't buy it because the dark seer on my team bought it. So I thought to buy veil because of the cheap components. And can you add one more late game item for when you have so much gold, since there are 3 cheap items (force, aether, glimmer). It will be in the next wave of updates (end of this week). Notes: 1. Vlads to Situational Blade Mail to Extension Items (consider replacing Urn with Blade to Shadow Blade) Wind Lace to Situational Items Echo Sabre Situational Items 2. Additional Late-Game Items 3. Force Staff to Situational Items 1 More Extension Item 4. Earlier Blade Mail before BKB? BKB to Extension Items? Wind Lace Situational? Blight Stone First Core? Infused Raindrops replaces Ring of Basilius Crimson Guard to Situational Solar Crest to Extension 5. Dragon Lance Core Daedalus to Extension 6. Blight Stone Early Game or at Core between Power Treads and Magic Wand or After Drums (when you get illus levels) Quelling Blade Core before Magic Wand, after Treads 7. Remove Orb of Venom (Lane) from Early Game Core Items: Phase -> Echo -> Armlet -> S&Y Extension: remove Deso, Add Daedalus, MKB, Assault Cuirass, Heart 8. Look into Satanic + Deso Aghs resituate? 9. Remove MKB Add Butterfly + Moon Shard Diffusal Blade to Situational Items 10. Blight Stone in Early Game Wind Lace as Core Blood Rite at 9, 2 points in Bloodrage Double-check with Dotabuff 11. Hurricane Pike Extension Items 12. Echo Sabre Core? Figure out when to get it. Suggested before S&Y 13. include windlace as core - roam 14. Aghanim's Extension15. wind lace situational | ||
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Echo Sabre may be useful as a situational item if he has a secondary proc effect along with bash. MoM/Maelstrom/Shadow Blade (Silver Edge is way more attractive now) -> Echo Sabre maybe? Infused Raindrops feels promising for the offlane. | ||
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On April 28 2016 05:51 CosmicSpiral wrote: It feels like Icefrog wants Faceless Void to go back to the carry role, but not the old DPS item builds. Echo Sabre may be useful as a situational item if he has a secondary proc effect along with bash. MoM/Maelstrom/Shadow Blade (Silver Edge is way more attractive now) -> Echo Sabre maybe? Infused Raindrops feels promising for the offlane. I have to test Faceless Void, but Echo Sabre works well with Lifestealer | ||
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On April 28 2016 21:53 logawa wrote: What about Blink Dagger, Medallion, Blight Stone, Solar Crest on Bounty Hunter Roaming? For Bounty Hunter, he is actually completely full in itemization. Any more and the items start getting cut off. So I have to be careful about what I can put on otherwise you can't see the build. | ||
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After ~15 days (April 11 to April 26), we have risen from 134,049,173 to 136,669,631 combined subscriptions A difference of 2,620,458 Average Subscribers per Guide is 929,725.38 Growth Percentage is 1.95% 5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
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