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On May 05 2016 07:44 BluemoonSC wrote: I like leveling up untouchable to two points and nature's attendents to two points before deciding to max one over the other. Usually I level nature's attendents to push. I maxed out whichever had more survivability with the lowest cost since I don't see most players having mana when they get their ult. | ||
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I personally go for phase bc kiting back and forth for max dmg means I use less impetus shots..but especially with treads you shouldn't have a problem with fitting in 50ish more mana. I'd argue the higher heal is way more survivability than the attack speed slow when the counters to enchantress are heavy spell nukers..the attack speed slow will only go so far, more so now that the backswing resets to normal after you stop attacking her. | ||
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On May 06 2016 06:09 BluemoonSC wrote: At lvl 6 with infused raindrops and a stick you should be fine. I personally go for phase bc kiting back and forth for max dmg means I use less impetus shots..but especially with treads you shouldn't have a problem with fitting in 50ish more mana. I'd argue the higher heal is way more survivability than the attack speed slow when the counters to enchantress are heavy spell nukers..the attack speed slow will only go so far, more so now that the backswing resets to normal after you stop attacking her. What about Phase + Drums + Dragon Lance and making Extension: Pike, BKB, Aghs, Moon Shard, Scythe? I think ultimately Enchantress is pretty fluid with her build in terms of itemization. Some people like Phase with Drums and others are gearing more towards Treads with an Earlier Pike and then going aghs | ||
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But I think phase wand drums DL is just as good. Agha is core with or without dragon lance tho, not extension. That's almost the issue with a guide for her. Agha is core but if you can get a DL you almost always wanna pick that up first. | ||
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Doom jungle delays value point in e very late, u literally cant gank without 1 in e. Overall doom with 1-4-4-1 is 1000 times scarier than 4-4-1-1 doom. (always max w first tho, thats too good to pass) Haven't played Mid NS for ages so dunno about Iron Talon with mid NS, for offlane and pos4 NS its must have. There are some inconsistency with Moonshard for few heroes, f.e. LS, Tiny and Sven has Moonshard and TA and WK doesnt. All 4 get a lot out of IAS. I don't know whats the policy with the Moonshard, basicly every right clicker wants it at some point but do you want to have it in guide or not is debatable. | ||
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------------------ AM - I still think that treads, BF is the better build in pubs. the question I'd be asking is yasha, vanguard, manta? vit booster, yasha, vanguard? vanguard, then manta? IMO it depends on whether or not you want to rice or you want to fight. if you're being pressured and need to fight, vanguard first. if you are ok with split pushing, yasha first. but definitely vanguard before completing the manta IMO ------------------------- doom should definitely be building a mek. I'll have to dig through my dotabuff, but I will send you the build I prefer and possibly the replay to show you the impact that my mek timing had on the game (arguably game winning, by someone far better than me) ----------------- what on earth did you do with the qop guide tho lol.. agha is almost 100% core in the games that this guide is aimed at. your question should be orchid first VS agha first. octarine is almost never the play, especially now with blood thorn. my preferred build this patch has been orchid, agha, bkb, +1, bloodthorn. ------------------- what are you asking about echo sabre being core on? and blademail? | ||
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On May 08 2016 20:50 Velzi wrote: Even tho Silencer Arcane Curse got buffed im pretty sure u want value point in glaives no matter lane or mid. Actually now that i checked the changes glaives got minor buff too for lvl1 (5% so its 2dmg per hit with 40 int). Anything from lvl1-4 shoudl be fine, now that last word doesnt slow and arcane curse does i guess maxing q over e is more appealing. Only real benefit from maxing e is the cooldown reduction and i dont think u can expect to get multiple last words off in early game skirmishes so the cooldown reduction only benefits the harassing. (which u can do with maxed q or w better imo). So 4-1-1-1 into something id say. Doom jungle delays value point in e very late, u literally cant gank without 1 in e. Overall doom with 1-4-4-1 is 1000 times scarier than 4-4-1-1 doom. (always max w first tho, thats too good to pass) Haven't played Mid NS for ages so dunno about Iron Talon with mid NS, for offlane and pos4 NS its must have. There are some inconsistency with Moonshard for few heroes, f.e. LS, Tiny and Sven has Moonshard and TA and WK doesnt. All 4 get a lot out of IAS. I don't know whats the policy with the Moonshard, basicly every right clicker wants it at some point but do you want to have it in guide or not is debatable. Moonshard: It's pretty much based on how expected it is to have Moon Shard or if Armour is especially needed for a hero or not (e.g Sven vs. Doom) Depends if I have room in Extension since I am retracting all "Luxury" tabs on builds in preparation for the transition. On May 10 2016 02:52 BluemoonSC wrote: BM should be offlane or mid. mostly offlane tho because he can get more out of the lane than most heroes. ------------------ AM - I still think that treads, BF is the better build in pubs. the question I'd be asking is yasha, vanguard, manta? vit booster, yasha, vanguard? vanguard, then manta? IMO it depends on whether or not you want to rice or you want to fight. if you're being pressured and need to fight, vanguard first. if you are ok with split pushing, yasha first. but definitely vanguard before completing the manta IMO ------------------------- doom should definitely be building a mek. I'll have to dig through my dotabuff, but I will send you the build I prefer and possibly the replay to show you the impact that my mek timing had on the game (arguably game winning, by someone far better than me) ----------------- what on earth did you do with the qop guide tho lol.. agha is almost 100% core in the games that this guide is aimed at. your question should be orchid first VS agha first. octarine is almost never the play, especially now with blood thorn. my preferred build this patch has been orchid, agha, bkb, +1, bloodthorn. ------------------- what are you asking about echo sabre being core on? and blademail? I added Tranq to the Jungle build in the meantime. I will remove Octarine. Orchid + BKB is correct. I don't think Aghs is returning now with Bloodthorn. | ||
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Moved Echo Sabre to Core Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Untouchable 2. Nature's Attendants 3. Enchant) Added Infused Raindrops to Utility Items Spirit Breaker Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Blight Stone to Situational Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Healing Salve Drow Ranger Added Dragon Lance to Core Items Moved Silver Edge to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Boots of Travel Removed Aghanim's Scepter Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Mjollnir Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Yasha New Skill Build: W Q E Stats Stats R Stats W W W R Q Q Q Stats R E E E (1. Blink 2. Mana Break 3. Spell Shield) Removed Vladmir's Offering Removed Poor Man's Shield Chaos Knight Added Quelling blade to Core Items Added Blight Stone to Situational Items Removed Iron Branch x3 Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Daedalus to Extension Items Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Removed Orb of Venom Removed Drums of Endurance Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Daedalus to Extension Items Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Skull Basher Added Magic Wand to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Situational Items Added Satanic to Extension Items Removed Urn of Shadows Removed Heart of Tarrasque Templar Assassin Created New Tab: "Early Game" Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Added Ring of Aquila to "Early Game" Added Tome of Knowledge to "Utility Items" Moved Bottle to "Early Game" Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Magic Wand Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Monkey King Bar Queen of Pain Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items Removed Eye of Skadi Removed Refresher Orb New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Butterfly to Extension Items Removed Orb of Venom Removed Hand of Midas Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q W R W W Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Butterfly to Extension Items Removed Hand of Midas Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar New Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E Q W W R WW Q (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Blood Rage) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Added Skull Basher to Extension Items Added Butterfly to Extension Items Removed Hand of Midas Removed Mjollnir Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar Bounty Hunter Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Wind Lace to Core Items (Roam) Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items" Removed Magic Wand Removed Heaven's Halberd Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Linken's Sphere Removed Force Staff Removed Assault Cuirass New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Blink Strike 3. Smoke Screen) Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items' Added Manta Style to Extension Items Winter Wyvern Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Soul Ring Removed Boots of Speed Removed Tranquil Boots Windranger (Middle) Windranger (Lane) Removed Rod of Atos New Skill Build: W Stats W Stats W R W Q E E R E E Q Q R Q (1. Shadow Word 2. Upheaval 3. Fatal Bonds) Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Removed Rod of Atos Storm Spirit Created New Tab: "Situational Items" Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to "Situational Items" Added Linken's Sphere to "Situational Items" Added Aghanim's Scepter to "Situational Items" Added Animal Courier to Starting Items Added Observer Wards x2 to Starting Items Removed Iron Branch x3 Added Wind Lace to Core Items Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Moved Lotus Orb to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity Created New Tab: "Early Game" Added Quelling Blade to "Early Game" Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Moved Echo Sabre to Core Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Night Stalker New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q W Q R E E R W W W (1. Void 2. Hunter in the Night 3. Crippling Fear) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Iron Talon to Core Items Added Tome of Knowledge to "Utility Items" Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items" Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Quelling Blade New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom) Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Situational Items New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom) Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Wraith King Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Devour 3. Infernal Blade) Added Drums of Endurance to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Removed Shadow Blade Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Echo Sabre Removed Sange & Yasha New Skill Build: Q W E W W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour) Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Iron Talon to Core Items Added Drums of Endurance to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Extension Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items Removed Shadow Blade Removed Assault Cuirass Removed Echo Sabre Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Phase Boots Added Blight Stone to Core Items Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Elder Titan (Lane) Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Blade Mail to Extension Items Removed Black King Bar Elder Titan (Middle) Added Blade Mail to Situational Items Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Removed Skull Basher Removed Moon Shard Winter Wyvern Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items Added Soul Ring to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Removed Arcane Boots To watch for
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I think agha is probably better but I don't hate orchid. I don't mind vanguard->BF AM. It's not for every game but it smooths AM's earlygame a lot, and that's important for guide players. Mek on doom idk. In general I think mek rushing is pretty overrated in pubs, and jungle doom is a real pain to build here because sometimes he's an actual 4pos but usually the player wants to be the afk second 1pos. Vlads etc is a reasonable middle ground. | ||
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https://yasp.co/matches/2328598300/purchases ------------- AM - vanguard is the replacement for vlads this patch because it builds into abyssal. if you're not picking it up, you're, more often than not, playing the hero wrong. it allows him to fight earlier on than he normally would be able to and one of the main perks is being able to blink in for a massive mana void. there's no problem with stats, however having an HP pool that builds into an item you're almost bound to get later on in the game..can't pass it up. like i said, im just not sure what the best timing is based on the pro matches i've seen so far. beesa (legendary AM player) has picked it up very quickly in almost all of his AM qualifier matches, so take that for what it's worth. ----------- jungle beast master is fine, but like i said above, he gets more out of a lane role. ----------- QOP - 95% of the games where your guides will make a difference should probably feature an agha on QOP. it gives you 1/3 of the CD (130s vs 40s) and a ton of much needed stats to make the hero relevant. bloodthorn has no baring on whether or not you pick this up. bloodthorn is an ultra late game item that you get after you have picked up an orchid (more often before agha), then bulk up a bit (agha+bkb) so that you don't get obliterated. in fact, more often than not in my losses on QOP lately, i've wished that i picked up my agha over getting an orchid. between that and sleep deprivation (as well as my tendency to go deep when i hit lvl 3) i've not been at my best, but she's my 2nd most played hero..so if you're ever going to listen to me about hero builds, trust me on my qop knowledge lol | ||
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I think I still like Treads/BF/Vlads/Manta/Abyssal more though. | ||
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