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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 21 2016 18:04 GMT
#6141
Well thats a design choice i wasnt familiar with, good to know.

Then obviously Refresher belongs to Extension items, not that im huge fan of it anyways like i said.

Also Situational is a bit misleading atleast for me, doesnt it mean "sometimes good, sometimes not" rather than "between these if u struggle".

I dont have a better word for it tho and im not against using the word, just little something i realized.

Or its just me and my mind turning something obvious to something completely inaccurate.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-25 08:57:56
May 21 2016 21:50 GMT
#6142
Alchemist (Middle)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Blink Dagger
Removed Iron Branch

Luna
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items

Nyx Assassin (Middle)
Nyx Assassin (Lane)
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3

Centaur Warrunner
New Skill Build: Q E W W Q R W W Q Q R E E E R (1. Double Edge 2. Hoof Stomp 3. Return)

Phantom Lancer
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Removed Ring of Protection

Abaddon
New Skill Build: W E W Q W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Aphotic Shield 2. Curse of the Avernus 3. Mist Coil)
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Soul Ring to Core Items (Lane)
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items (Lane)
Added Ring of Basilius to Core Items (Offlane)
Added Quelling Blade to Core Items (Offlane)
Added Echo Sabre to Core Items (Offlane)
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core - Offlane
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items (Lane)
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items
Removed Observer Ward
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Mekansm
Removed Blade Mail
Removed Shiva's Guard

Ogre Magi
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch

Chaos Knight
New Skill Build: Q W Q W Q W Q W E R R E E E R (1. Chaos Bolt 2. Reality Rift 3. Chaos Strike)

Lifestealer (Jungle)
Added Echo Sabre to Core Items
Added Desolator to Extension Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Removed Wind Lace

Lifestealer (Lane)
Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items
Added Desolator to Extension Items
Removed Wind Lace

Faceless Void
Added Infused Raindrop to Early Game
Removed Iron Branches x2
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Echo Sabre

Timbersaw
New Skill Build: E W E W W R W Q Q Q R Q E E R (1. Timber Chain 2. Reactive Armor 3. Whirling Death)
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Soul Ring to "Early Game"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Quelling Blade to Core Items
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Enchanted Mango

Ancient Apparition (Middle)
Ancient Apparition (Lane)
Created New Tab: "Situational Items"
Added Urn of Shadows to Early Game
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Moved Hand of Midas to "Situational Items"
Moved Veil of Discord to "Situational Items"
Moved Rod of Atos to "Situational Items"
Moved Glimmer Cape to "Situational Items"

Tinker
Added Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Bloodstone to Extension Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Removed Boots of Speed - Level 2

Doom (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q W E W W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Devour 3. Infernal Blade)
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Blade Mail to Situational Items
Removed Tranquil Boots
Removed Silver Edge
Removed Drums of Endurance

Doom (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W E W W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Devour 3. Infernal Blade)
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Iron Talon to Core Items
Added Shadow Blade to Core Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items
Removed Phase Boots
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Refresher Orb
Removed Enchanted Mango

Spectre
Created New Tab: "Core - Early Fight"
Added Phase Boots to "Core - Ganking"
Added Drums of Endurance to "Core - Ganking"
Added Diffusal Blade - Level 1 to "Core - Ganking"
Added Manta Style to "Core - Ganking"
Moved Manta Style to Core Items

Huskar
New Skill Build: W E W Q W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Burning Spear 2. Berserker's Blood 3. Inner Vitality)
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items

Drow Ranger
Created New Tab: "Situational Items"
Added Sange & Yasha to "Situational Items"
Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Morbid Mask to Early Game
Moved Silver Edge to "Situational Items"
Removed Tome of Knowledge
Removed Helm of the Dominator

Razor
Added Infused Raindrop to Early Game
Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items
Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items
Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Faerie Fire
Removed Boots of Travel
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Refresher Orb
Removed Aghanim's Scepter

Axe (Lane)
Axe (Jungle)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Infused Raindrop to Core Items
Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items"
Added Infused Raindrop to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Removed Wind Lace

Elder Titan (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q Q W Q R Q E E E R E W W R (1. Natural Order 2. Echo Stomp 3. Astral Spirit)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items"
Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items

Elder Titan (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Natural Order 2. Astral Spirit 3. Echo Stomp)
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Added Echo Sabre to Core Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Blade Mail to Extension Items
Removed Power Treads
Removed Heart of Tarrasque

Slark (Lane)
Slark (Middle)
Added Quelling Blade to Early Game
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items
Removed Skull Basher

Riki
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Echo Sabre
Removed Skull Basher
Removed Daedalus

Necrophos
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Power Treads Core - "Aggressive"
Added Veil of Discord to Core - "Aggressive"
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items
Moved Blade Mail to Situational Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Power Treads
Removed Dagon - Level 1
Removed Silver Edge
Removed Ethereal Blade

Phantom Assassin
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Stifling Dagger 2. Phantom Strike 3. Blur)
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to Early Game
Added Blight Stone to Early Game
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Added Armlet of Mordiggan to Situational Items
Added Manta Style to Situational Items
Added Desolator to Extension Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Power Treads
Removed Skull Basher
Removed Helm of the Dominator
Removed Monkey King Bar

Ember Spirit (Middle)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Healing Salve

Ember Spirit (Lane)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Healing Salve

Slardar
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to Early Game
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Moved Iron Talon to "Early Game"
Moved Armlet of Mordiggan to Core Items
Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items
Removed Power Treads
Removed Blight Stone
Removed Enchanted Mango

Sven
Added Armlet of Mordiggan to Situational Items

Juggernaut
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items
Removed Skull Basher

Omniknight
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Removed Mekansm

Broodmother
Added Quelling Blade to Early Game
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items
Added Manta Style to Extension Items
Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Faerie Fire
Removed Power Treads
Removed Monkey King Bar
Removed Desolator

Viper
New Skill Build: Q W Q E E R E E Q W R W Q W R (1. Corrosive Skin 2. Nethertoxin 3. Poison Attack)
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Tusk
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items"
Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Removed Stout Shield

Medusa
New Skill Build: W E W E W R W Q Q Q Q E E R R (1. Mystic Snake 2. Split Shot 3. Mana Shield)
Added Dragon Lance to Situational Items
Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items
Moved Eye of Skadi to Extension Items
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Divine Rapier
Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2

Dragon Knight (Middle)
Dragon Knight (Lane)
Added Shadow Blade to Core items
Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Moved Armlet to Core Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items

Silencer (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom)

Terrorblade
New Skill Build: Q E E W W W W E E R R Q Q Q R (1. Conjure Image 2. Metamorphosis 3. Reflection)
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items
Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items
Moved Quelling Blade to Early Game
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Boots of Travel - Level 2 to Extension Items
Moved Butterfly to Extension Items
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Faerie Fire
Removed Poor Man's Shield
Removed Vladmir's Offering
Removed Daedalus

Morphling
New Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Waveform 2. Morph 3. Adaptive Strike)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game
Added Town Portal Scroll" to "Utility Items"
Added Quelling Blade to Situational Items
Moved Ethereal Blade to Core Items
Moved Satanic to Extension Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Bottle
Removed Wraith Band
Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2

Wraith King
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Sniper (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Moved Manta Style to Core Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Sniper (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Moved Manta Style to Core Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Bristleback
Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Heaven's Halberd to Extension Items
Removed Blight Stone
Removed Wind Lace
Removed Moon Shard

Kunkka (Middle)
New Skill Build: W Q Q E E R Q Q E E R W W W R (1. Torrent 2. X Marks The Spot 3. Tidebringer)
Added Armlet of Mordiggan to Core Items
Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Moon Shard
Removed Divine Rapier

Kunkka (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q Q W R W W W R (1. X Marks The Spot 2. Torrent 3. Tidebringer)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward x2 to Starting Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Aether Lens to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Added Tome of Experience to "Utility Items"
Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Added Drum of Endurnace to Situational Items
Added Force Staff to Situational Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Shadow Blade
Removed Black King Bar
Removed Silver Edge
Removed Assault Cuirass
Removed Monkey King Bar
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Daedalus
Removed Boots of Travel
Removed Moon Shard
Removed Divine Rapier

Mirana
New Skill Build: New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q W E E E W W R R (1. Starstorm 2. Leap 3. Sacred Arrow)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Desolator to Extension Items
Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Slippers of Agility
Removed Maelstrom
Removed Veil of Discord
Removed Solar Crest

Ursa (Lane)
New Skill Build: E Q W Q E R E E W W R W Q Q R (1. Fury Swipes 2. Overpower 3. Earthshock)
Added Quelling Blade to Early Game
Added Morbid Mask to Early Game
Added Orb of Venom to Situational Items
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Vladmir's Offering

Ursa (Jungle)
Added Mask of Madness to Core Items
Moved Iron Talon to Core Items
Removed Vladmir's Offering

Legion Commander (Lane)
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Moved Iron Talon to Core Items
Moved Blade Mail to Core Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Shadow Blade

Legion Commander (Middle)
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Moved Iron Talon to Core Items
Moved Blade Mail to Core Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Shadow Blade

Renamed Offlane
Night Stalker
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Void 2. Hunter in the Night 3. Crippling Fear)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Power Treads to Core Items
Added Smoke of Deceit to Utility Items
Added Dust of Appearance to Utility Items
Added Gem of True Sight to Utility Items
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Added Armlet of Mordiggan to Situational Items
Added Force Staff to Extension Items
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items
Moved Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Bottle
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Phase Boots
Removed Pipe of Insight
Removed Blade Mail
Removed Silver Edge
Removed Monkey King Bar

Beastmaster (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q (1. Call of the Wild 2. Inner Beast 3. Wild Axes)
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Force Staff to Situational Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Magic Wand

Renamed Jungle
Beastmaster (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E Q R Q Q Q R (1. Call of the Wild 2. Inner Beast 3. Wild Axes)
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Observer Wards to Utility Items
Added Sentry Wards to Utility Items
Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items
Added Force Staff to Situational Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items
Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items
Removed Stout Shield
Removed Quelling Blade
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Iron Talon
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Bottle
Removed Aghanim's Scepter

Phoenix (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Sun Ray 2. Fire Spirits 3. Icarus Dive)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Aether Lens to Extension Items
Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items
Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Rod of Atos
Removed Octarine Core

Renamed Offlane
Phoenix (Middle)
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Aether Lens to Extension Items
Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Removed Rod of Atos
Removed Octarine Core

Renamed Quas/Exort
Invoker (Middle)
New Skill Build: E Q E Q E Q E Q W E R R E W E R W W W W W Q Q Q (1. Exort 2. Wex 3. Quas)
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to Core Items
Added Blink Dagger to Core Items
Added Linken's Sphere to Extension Items
Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items
Moved Hand of Midas to Core Items
Moved Boots of Travel to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Removed Faerie Fire
Removed Phase Boots
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Orchid of Malevolence
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3
Removed Bloodthorn

New Guide
Invoker (Quas/Wex)
Skill Build: Q W Q W Q W W Q W R R E W E E R E E E Q Q Q E W (1. Quas 2. Exort 3. Wex)
Starting Items: Faerie Fire, Iron Branch, Iron Branch, Tango
Core Items: Phase Boots, Urn of Shadows, Magic Wand, Orchid of Malevolence
Situational Items: Hand of Midas, Drums of Endurance, Force Staff, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Black King Bar, Necromonicon - Level 3
Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Agahnim's Scepter, Refresher Orb, Octarine Core, Bloodthorn




Notes:

of note: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/453377-in-game-standard-hero-builds-140-million-subscriptions?page=295#5896
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 21 2016 22:22 GMT
#6143
I feel like 4sticks/8tangos/1circlet is a better starting build for morphling, either that or something with a mango (which is super good value on morph because 1hp regen per second is way better on heroes with low HP).
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-22 01:02:43
May 22 2016 00:57 GMT
#6144
On May 22 2016 07:22 Birdie wrote:
I feel like 4sticks/8tangos/1circlet is a better starting build for morphling, either that or something with a mango (which is super good value on morph because 1hp regen per second is way better on heroes with low HP).


I'd be okay with Enchanted Mango instead of Ring of Protection.

On May 22 2016 03:04 Velzi wrote:
Well thats a design choice i wasnt familiar with, good to know.

Then obviously Refresher belongs to Extension items, not that im huge fan of it anyways like i said.

Also Situational is a bit misleading atleast for me, doesnt it mean "sometimes good, sometimes not" rather than "between these if u struggle".

I dont have a better word for it tho and im not against using the word, just little something i realized.

Or its just me and my mind turning something obvious to something completely inaccurate.


Here you go: 2 Years, 100 million: Dota Builds Project Overview

see section: Setting Policies

Initially, hero skill builds were accounted for how difficult a hero was played, thus their skill build would be leveled in a way that was easier to understand or execute for the hero (Storm Spirit, Meepo, Invoker). That’s been changed to how a hero is just traditionally played instead of the best entryway to play a hero. The balance between deciding what new subscribers wanted and what purposes the hero build were for made this an especially difficult decision.

Different tabs of an item build have different purposes and order:
• Early Game and Core Items are placed in sequential order of purchase.

• Situational Items are items intended to be bought before, during or after the Core Items
sequence.

• Situational and Extension Items are ordered by cost and not by priority due to too much
difference in opinion and fluctuation in how fluctuating matches end up being. Users are to
read Extension Items as choices depending on what’s needed.

• The Luxury Items tab seldom appears in a guide, only when a hero is especially diverse
late-game and there is a dual-stage priority in the items suggested.

‘Safety items’ are always promoted (Stout Shield [for melee heroes], Black King Bar and Magic Wand). This is due to the common issue of players often skipping smaller items to go for their Core. It’s important to instill good practices when choosing which items to purchase.


I consider Situational Items as items to substitute any Core Items or additional if you are having trouble reaching your Core Items or don't think you'll be able to afford the larger Extension Items.

Extension Items are an extension to Core Items and are considered to be of higher priority than Situational Items.

A lot of items fall in cracks between the two categories. Items like Desolator, Linken's Sphere, Sange and Yasha and Black King Bar can be found in either categories depending how synergistic they are with the hero or if the item is more commonly bought than due to a specific counter to a hero or situation.

Evidently, this is all interpretative. But you won't see items like Scythe of Vyse, Assault Cuirass or Refresher Orb in Situational Items as I feel you either shoot for that large item or your skip it entirely and can't be bought "in a pinch" per se.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 22 2016 03:36 GMT
#6145
Might need to change Phantom Assassin: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128920907
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 22 2016 07:42 GMT
#6146
Well that explains a lot. And i mean a lot, somehow i have missed the whole policy thing, guess ive been busy in october/november.

Have to take a look about everything i have said lately to make sure im not trying to confuse u to inappropriate changes
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 22 2016 13:38 GMT
#6147
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-22 13:50:02
May 22 2016 13:40 GMT
#6148
Any opinions on Phantom Assassin

On May 22 2016 16:42 Velzi wrote:
Well that explains a lot. And i mean a lot, somehow i have missed the whole policy thing, guess ive been busy in october/november.

Have to take a look about everything i have said lately to make sure im not trying to confuse u to inappropriate changes



All feedback is appreciated unless you don't read the original question/inquiry.

Other than that, I suggest reading the post-year/stats topics, purely because I spent a lot of time on them and even I enjoy the info.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 22 2016 22:51 GMT
#6149
On May 22 2016 12:36 Torte de Lini wrote:
Might need to change Phantom Assassin: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128920907

Early game I prefer 8tango shield and get quelling immediately at side shop, or 4tango 1salve shield. Not a huge deal though, it's partially dependent on the enemy offlaner and how good he is at denying.

IMO BF is core but if I recall correctly the basic discussion on BF being core on heroes generally (jugg PA specifically) is that guide players will get it too slow so you put it as situational and let people decide if they are good enough for it.

Beesa has been going stout shield->phase->BF->deso a bit. In general I think deso should definitely be in the guide. If you want to rejig it I think I'd do the same for early game as it is now except no PMS. Then go vlads in core items instead of hotd, and add desolator to core items too. Put abyssal at the start of extension items.

WHUT since when can't we scroll down to skill build in the browser? Maybe this is just me. Skill build should max Q, value point W, max E I think for pub players. R>Q>E>W or something. TBH I personally vary W and E amounts but for guides, survivability is good.

I think if you add deso to core items you have to rejig the extension items too of course, because satanic no longer would make sense, nor skadi. Also, I think that manta has a place in situational as an alternative to SNY. If you make deso core, put blightstone in early game, vlads in situational too.
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-23 00:01:53
May 22 2016 23:35 GMT
#6150
Deso should be situational at least, and probably vlads in there somewhere.

Not sure about BF core. PA has to use BF to leverage a 2-3 item timing or she just gets outscaled, so a late BF is a lot worse on her than on eg. jug.

idk maybe you just accept that as part of the hero. The meta build is definitely phase>BF>deso>BKB.

I'm not sure on max E either. W gives you a lot of farming speed, and for PA's 7-11 she's taking mostly magic damage anyway unless there's a TA around.

I just think she's a junk hero tbh. She hates the new basher and the new blademail crushes her.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 09:56:25
May 24 2016 04:49 GMT
#6151
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
May 24 2016 09:51 GMT
#6152
Are you interested in people looking over all and comment on them? Or, well, in my case I guess I'd only look over the heroes im familiar with and feel I have a strong and solid opinion on.

I dont wanna get into nitpicking (sometimes just about every item could be situational on some heroes...) and I also realize that the guides are made for primarily for new players so getting into the finer details of a hero is probably out of place too. But im sure I could provide some insight to some heroes here and there.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 24 2016 09:56 GMT
#6153
On May 24 2016 18:51 Kreb wrote:
Are you interested in people looking over all and comment on them? Or, well, in my case I guess I'd only look over the heroes im familiar with and feel I have a strong and solid opinion on.

I dont wanna get into nitpicking (sometimes just about every item could be situational on some heroes...) and I also realize that the guides are made for primarily for new players so getting into the finer details of a hero is probably out of place too. But im sure I could provide some insight to some heroes here and there.


Yes, that would be appreciated.
It's one of the two reasons I publicly show all changes and applications made.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 09:57:05
May 24 2016 09:56 GMT
#6154
Ok

Notes:

Probably our largest update in a row for 6.87.

I changed Night Stalker to Offlane
I revised Necrophos to not have Dagon + Arcane/Tranquil
Added MoM to Ursa
Remade Abaddon
Changed Kunkka (Lane) to Support type
Changed Kunkka (Middle) to Carry type


and a whole lot of other shit.

I'm burnt out.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 12:01:24
May 24 2016 10:44 GMT
#6155
Ok, here goes. I tried to distiguish my comments between strong opinions and details.

Strong opinions

Abaddon
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Im a pretty big non-believer of drums/sny (radiance all the way baby) on him, but I realize people play him like that so I'll leave that part.

But i will say that Echo Saber seems extremely out of place. Even as core/semicore, your right clicks are rather pathetic. You kill by chasing people down slowly with CoA and maybe other slows. For that purpose, Echo Saber does nothing. Saber is primarily good on hard hitters (Sven, Tiny...) or heroes with crits/bashes. Aba is none of these. I wouldnt even put it in situational items, its garbage to me. Theres plenty of better choices.

Drow
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Shadow blade as core, I really dont think so. I realize games are different at lower levels (but with that reasoning shadow blade could be core on half the heroes) but its really not a great item on her. It doesnt boost her farming and she isnt a great ganker. And the hero is by far the best when played as early grouping and pushing, which shadow blade contributes nothing to. In my book its situational as best, and only really if you upgrade to silver edge for the stats.

Also, 99% drows probably maxes aura first. Its really superior for just about everything.

Huskar
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I definitely think you want a point in heal before lvl 10. Most commonly at lvl 4. Its a free salve during laning. Its a free salve after any skirmishes. And you dont use mana for anything else. Even after a gank where the target didnt fights back and just tried to run you'll be low due to spears + life break. Oh and it enables some fairly good low-hp-jungling possibilities early on if you want/need to farm jungle. Too much good to pass on.

Luna
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Agh should definitely be somewhere. Given that the hero isnt played its hard to say how good it is (personally I feel it might be core). But to play it safe I guess putting it as situational is better. But its definitely good enough to be among mentioned items.

Spirit Breaker
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BKB is as core as it can be on a hero. You can stop by for blade mail/vlad/shadow blade/whatever (preferably not more than 1 out of these though) before but you really really need BKB at some point. The earlier the better.


Details.

Abaddon
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The new curse became much more of a "one point wonder". As sup you should always max coil over it. And imo you max coil over it as core too (thats up for discussion, I know, some would disagree). But the general build for new players should be coil over curse, its better in more cases.

Bounty
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I feel Lotus Orb should be somewhere. As situational I guess?

Centaur
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I feel you want Return at lvl 1 or 2 (1-0-1 at lvl 2). Its a great "dont harass me" skill against supports.

CK
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Butterfly is a great extension item. Yes hes a str-hero, but bfly gives him everything he wants as an illusion carry. Far superior to halberd as evasion item unless theres a very specific halberd target you're looking to counter. And even then maybe superior.

I also still think the normal (and imo better) build is to not put a point in crit until lvl 9/10 something.

Doom
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Rename jungle to Roam? He really does a lot more just devouring creep in the jungle and then roaming.

Drow
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There is the Agh+Mjollnir build which should be considered extension. Though pretty much only together with each other.

Necro
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Maybe nitpicking (Necro is super flexible with his items, you could almost build anything) but veil is a legit early game item and heart could be an extension item too.

Night stalker
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At this point im pretty sure gem could be considered core. Theres not a better carrier for it.

Nyx
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Im not really sure what Necro book does on situational here. Theres no synergy between him as a hero and the item. Necro are mostly build on aura carriers and/or pushers, which is quite far from what nyx is.

Sand King
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I wouldnt put Agh or Aether as core over force. The general build prefers force over both, and imo its the better choice too. At least Aether and Force should switch places. Agh is also kinda situational to me but whatever thats nitpicking. Force as core is a 100% though to me.

Tide
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Im pretty sure the mek (eventually greaves) build should be considered core atm.

WK
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Midas should probably be there (as situational i guess?). WK really wants to reach lvl 11/16 and he uses the atsp well.

Radiance should probably be there as situational too. Its pretty common and definitely legit.
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United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 15:43:57
May 24 2016 15:05 GMT
#6156
Lotus Orb used to be on Bounty but was removed. I think it's fine, if you have greeves and understand why you'd want Lotus Orb then you're good enough to go for it I think. It's an item that has quite a few requirements for it to be a good choice so it's hard to just drop it in situational; the people who know enough to get it will know to get it anyways I think.

For Chaos Knight I've really been enjoying Echo Sabre. I've tried Treads + Armlet + Echo Sabre and Treads + Echo Sabre + Armlet (both with blight stone as well) with I think the latter being the better build.

Essentially you trade Drums for Armlet. Both give you HP, both give you mana, but Echo Sabre makes Rift + Stun into an incredibly deadly gank tool without your ultimate (and gives you way more mana capabilities). You're looking at something like 380 physical damage + 150-275 magic damage in an instant burst with the 2-4 second stun to finish targets off. Then you back it up with armlet to really push the damage of it and the armlet should come about when you get your ult and its effectiveness is maximized.

I don't think the build is really popular enough for a guide, but I'd love to see people try it out more and echo sabre is floating around reasonably commonly as a CK item. It's probably situational at best because it does assume you're playing aggressively as Chaos Knight, but given his slow farm speed compared to other safelane cores I think that's a reasonable assumption.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
May 24 2016 15:17 GMT
#6157
On May 24 2016 19:44 Kreb wrote:
Ok, here goes. I tried to distiguish my comments between strong opinions and details.

Strong opinions

Abaddon
+ Show Spoiler +

Im a pretty big non-believer of drums/sny (radiance all the way baby) on him, but I realize people play him like that so I'll leave that part.

But i will say that Echo Saber seems extremely out of place. Even as core/semicore, your right clicks are rather pathetic. You kill by chasing people down slowly with CoA and maybe other slows. For that purpose, Echo Saber does nothing. Saber is primarily good on hard hitters (Sven, Tiny...) or heroes with crits/bashes. Aba is none of these. I wouldnt even put it in situational items, its garbage to me. Theres plenty of better choices.


I think you're underrating the Saber's own slow during a chasedown. For example, it gives Abaddon a chance to recast shield without losing any hits.


Drow
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Shadow blade as core, I really dont think so. I realize games are different at lower levels (but with that reasoning shadow blade could be core on half the heroes) but its really not a great item on her. It doesnt boost her farming and she isnt a great ganker. And the hero is by far the best when played as early grouping and pushing, which shadow blade contributes nothing to. In my book its situational as best, and only really if you upgrade to silver edge for the stats.

Also, 99% drows probably maxes aura first. Its really superior for just about everything.


The problem with max aura first is that the guide needs to accommodate lineups where the Drow is the only ranged core.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 24 2016 21:03 GMT
#6158
I'll take a look at feedback now.

I need feedback on PA and Kunkka though
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 21:22:32
May 24 2016 21:14 GMT
#6159
Can you explain the reasoning behind a 2nd point in blink strike at level 8?

the only change is 3 seconds of cooldown (14->11) which while cute, is worth substantially more at higher levels (aka 14->11 and 8->5 are both 3 second reductions but 8->5 virtually halves the colldown whereas 14->11 is like 25% reduction).

Basically, if you want blink strike 2 at 8, then you want blink strike 3 and 4 at 9 and 10. If you don't want 4-4-1, then you clearly want 4-1-4. Also note that while the first point in blur is the most value (20%), of the next points the 4th is the most efficient and as such 4-2-3 is horribly inefficient to lock yourself into over the long level 10-12 xp distance.

items are weird on that hero i've seen much better people than me advocating bfury into deso saying lifesteal doesn't do a lot for the hero but i'm not feeling it. I dont' have a good suggestion though.

A possible item build would be phase aquila vanguard into probably sny or deso into abyssal but that's pure theory

that doesn't really synergize with her dagger now being an insane nuke if you build damage these days but I don't have a solid build plan either way because I haven't seen good PA play recently.
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United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 21:37:01
May 24 2016 21:30 GMT
#6160
I think phase (roa?) vanguard deso (then bkb, abyssal presumably) has been gaining in popularity hasn't it?

Deso on dagger does work pretty well right? Your dagger will strike with the -7 armor and you have the +50 dmg of deso so the dagger should hit pretty hard, especially if it crits.
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