EPTSo like PMS, Iron Talon, Treads, Wand, Vlads, TP Scroll. Then drop PMS for Yasha then Talon or Wand for Aghs.
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So like PMS, Iron Talon, Treads, Wand, Vlads, TP Scroll. Then drop PMS for Yasha then Talon or Wand for Aghs. | ||
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seems pretty redundant | ||
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On January 14 2016 07:32 TheGlitchMob wrote: clinkz has basi ring and aquila in "early game" seems pretty redundant It's to indicate purchase order | ||
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 Idk I think bat should keep BoTs, even if you add tranqs. I've never really understood the metric you use to decide whether a hero lists BoTs or not, but bat would be a top 5-10 BoT hero to me. He's highly active, always wants to be in the action, and movespeed is very valuable on him. If you want to free up space I think you should ditch both atos and necro, and move some of BKB/aghs/sheep to situational as well as aether. Bat probably buys BoTs like 10 times for every necro he picks up, even after tranqs.  Medallion clinkz was really just an EG thing; it became standard because they were the only ones running clinkz around TI5 and Fear tended to get medallion. He obviously doesn't play clinkz anymore, but I suspect it's still fine. For these guides I think it's situational. I think utility BH is a good idea.  Boots on clock have always been a personal preference thing. Do whatever. I agree treads is slightly more common than phase. | ||
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I'm going to go through the whole list before applying changes. I'm only up to Ds, so it'll take me a fair bit (a week or more depending on work at the office). Hopefully the actual Shanghai Major event will determine if the builds are accurate after I apply the changes and we can move into reforming the entire system to more core/support.  unsure about Enigma, not much data on him. | ||
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New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Time Walk 2. Time Dilation 3. Time Lock) Added Iron Talon to Early Game Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items  HuskarRemoved Aghanim's Scepter | ||
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On January 15 2016 01:12 Buckyman wrote: Faceless Void - Butterfly - "Dodge chance stacks with Butterfly's Evasion" - no longer relevant plus all evasion now stacks that way anyway | ||
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It may also be worth adding something to Bristle's Aghs description to note that getting Aghs removes a reliable way to pop Linken's Sphere for your team. You can also add that Bristle Aghs lets him keep 7 warpath stacks up without needing a nearby goo target or having to face the enemy. | ||
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On January 15 2016 02:35 Logo wrote: Bristleback's item description for Vanguard only talks about Crimson Guard. It may also be worth adding something to Bristle's Aghs description to note that getting Aghs removes a reliable way to pop Linken's Sphere for your team. You can also add that Bristle Aghs lets him keep 7 warpath stacks up without needing a nearby goo target or having to face the enemy. ill fix that now! | ||
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 :http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128876778 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2059810330 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067328957 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067550774 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067682924 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068100199 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069063624 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069416649 Aether Lens Core (before Glimmer) Remove Urn of Shadows http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129332354 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068100199 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067225691 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066679779 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064776227 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064437263 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064343834 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064299688 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064017925 2x Farie Fire Starting Items (+ Two Iron Branches) Tranquil Boots in Core Items Aether Lens Situational Items Remove Boots of Travel (looking to reduce Extension Items)  : Lane/Middle:http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129134687 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=232415624 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070184901/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067842765 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067783943 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067225691 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065960306 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065111781 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064927649 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064861272 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064836234 Mango Starting Items (Lane) + Salve, Tango, Branch, Stout Necro 3 first Core -> Blink (Lane) Remove Soul Ring (Lane) If Necro 3. core items -> Move Vlad's http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128751287 No Matches Gearing towards a more utility role, keep in mind for future  (Lane/Middle)http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129109889 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=359580647 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061866954/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063040897 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063371941 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064541636 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066985045 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070303765 Starting Items: Mango, Salve, Tangos, Stout (Lane) Blink into Vlads, Power Treads instead of Arcane (Lane)  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=134962374 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068449910 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067842765/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064631768/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064531559 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062751657 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061999071/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061212672 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061039829 Starting Items: Mango, Tangoes, Healing Salve, Stout, Branch Add Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Extension: move Sange and Yasha  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128757681 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066337298 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066144864 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063371941 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063322935 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062023258 Starting Items: Faerie Fire, Stout, Tangos, Quelling Blade Push Phase Boots after Orchid Reduce Extension Items: Butterfly, Eye of Skadi, Desolator Add Sange and Yasha to Extension Items http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128735861 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060213109 Starting Items: Stout, Tango, Salve, Mango, Branch http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128918471 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063609588/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063091352 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062913180 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060145150 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060145150 Starting Items: Mango, Stout, Tango, 2x Iron Branch Extension Items: Move BKB Reverse Manta & Sange and Yasha Remove Heart of Tarrasque Situational Items: Add Vladmir's Offering http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129056935 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065442988 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062882855/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063000977/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062751657 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060744032 Move Dragon Lance to Situational Items Remove Medallion of Courage Remove Scythe of Vyse Upgrade Diffusal to lvl 2 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128732275 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070247171 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068547220/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068205321/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068092670/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066679779 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065614124/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063816118/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063614085 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062737676 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062660792 change phase to power treads http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129323738 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070247171 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070184901/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070114438 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070058798/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069063624/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068449910/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068205321 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066679779 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066337298 Starting Items: Faerie Fire x2 + Null Talisman Aether Lens to Situational Items Black King Bar to Extension Items Skip Silence, max Q/E  Lane/Jungle:http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=143243384 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129098268 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060990735/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061756636 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062788365 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065286763 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067550774 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068449910 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069724674 Drums -> Shadow Blade (Lane) Vlads -> Shadow Blade (Jungle) Drums Situational (Jungle) Vlad's to Situational Items (Lane) Infernal Blade at lvl 8 BKB to Situational Items S&Y to Extension Items Lane/Middle: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128909765 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=286904891 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069609831 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066144864 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065765933 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064895143 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064927649 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064776227 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063281584 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063199880 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062922501 Match skill build to Middle (Lane) Replace Shadow Blade with Blink Dagger (Silver Edge still Situational) Add Monkey King Bar to Extension Items Move Moon Shard to Luxury Items Create Luxury Items Add Quelling Blade to Situational Items Remove HOTD Add Satanic to Luxury Items : Lane/Middle http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=319111870 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195048794 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070058798 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068582828 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068547220 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068092670 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066888438 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065589675 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065286763 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065200918 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064531559 Starting Items: Tango, Mango, Cour + Wards, Iron Branch x2 (Middle) Match Starting Items Mid to Lane Add Utility Items Section Add Quelling Blade to Situational Items Add Aether Lens to Situational Items http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195052251 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=251934276 No Matches Move Daedalus to Core Items (Lane/Middle)  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128858659 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069416649 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067682924 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066514759 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065960306 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064776227 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064631768 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064437263 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064299688 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063332746 Remove Urn of Shadows Move Drums to Core Items Add Dragon Lance to Core Items Moon Shard to Extension Remove Orchid Remove Shiva's Guard http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128887479 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2075276122/builds http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064423945/builds need more data Remove Utility Items Remove Cour + Wards Starting Items Add 2x Iron Branch to Starting Items remove Meka? Move Guardian Greaves to Situational? Blink -> Aether -> BKB? Extension: Shiva's Refresher, Octarine, Aghs?  Lane/Middle:http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129399377 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=319106719 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070303765/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070247171/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070114438 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069609831/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069416649/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069063624 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068680329/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068342969/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068100199/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070184901 Starting Items: 2x Faerie Fire, 2x Iron Branch, Circlet (Middle) Black King Bar Extension Items (both) Remove Dragon Lance  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128862386 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064861272 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063281584 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063022628 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066144864 Starting Items: Cour + Wards, Mangos, Iron Branch x2, Tangos  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129083818 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067550774 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065614124 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065482587 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065193805 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065200918 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065112786 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065046175 Add Blink to Situational Items http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128873254 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064631768/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064531559/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062424026/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061014289/ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060890965/ ult at 8 1 in W Max E then Q double-check this one  : Lane/Middlehttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129060054 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=301735208 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067225691 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065589675 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065374045/ off: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064988726 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064776227 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064732159 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064299688 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067682924 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070303765 max q/e first starting items: boots, tango, clarity, courier build is more support/utility double-check this one : Lane/Middle http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=203428546 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=203428541 No Matches Add Bottle to Lane Legion Commander  : Lane/Middlehttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=319085962 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128895761 No Matches Lane Build: Max W? Reduce Extension Items (both) Remove Guardian Greaves Aether Lens Situational Items (Lane) Veil of Discord - Situational Items (Lane) BKB situational (Both) improve extension items to be more late-game (Lane)  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128882317 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070303765 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070058798 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063199880 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062111500 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061756636 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060930836 Two points in E, max Q then max W? Add Iron Branch  http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=232367327 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128728638 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065030309 (jungle) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068547220 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065752934 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065374045 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064423945 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063829123 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063281584 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063040897 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062751657 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060846559 Lane Build: 1 in W (level 1 lifestealer), Max Q, alternate with Open Wounds (E) Jungle: Max feat, Open Wounds with 1 in Rage Starting Items (Jungle): Tangos, Stout, Rop -> Iron Talon Starting Items (Lane): Stout, 2x Faerie Fire, 2x Iron Branch, Clarity Remove Mjollnir (both) double-check this one | ||
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Lich is using only 550g starting gold, u could at a clarity/branch because branch will go to mek anyways and clarity is fine u spam q a lot. Force staff and Glimmer are great for lich. I rarely get aghs on lich and even more rarely i have money to get hex so there could be stuff like lotus/solar/veil/linken/pipe in situational to make people get something useful earlier rather than saving for 5700g item with slow farmer. Aghs is hard one because in low pubs people are bad at delta splitting but then again u still want to have setup to make it bounce more. For Gyro im huge fan of treads on gyro just because with treads u dont have 800hp at 15min with it. Dragon Lance is not an item for gyro because it makes ur flak cannon awkward to hit with (because u are further from ur main target, u are further from enemy supports so they might be out of range because of DL. I like it we are skipping Rapier because of obvious reasons. Mid gyro has no rocket at all, i dont know about that, i feel like it could be super good but i dont really play gyro mid, only safelane afk farmer till big item and win game after that. Other items are fine imo. Then there is good old jakiro debate with maxing q over w or other way around. I think there is discussion about that earlier but didnt find it. DK really wants and needs blink but then again do u need it in pubs if u have SB (where we want to go with the guide, "real" way to build or effective way to build in current level)? DP i would max e over q and start with e. At lvl1 it deals (in average) 20+0,05x500hp / sec = 45/sec (4s, 180 in total), is more mana efficient and q has 8s cooldown lvl1. Plus there is the minor slow in e. Its obviously for rune fights but in lane u could argue getting lvl1 q is better for last hitting and harassing. U get instantly one charge to e when u lvl it so u dont have to wait for the charge | ||
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Gyro Treads - I do this sometimes. But when playing by the guide and not getting any Situational items, I instead solve this problem with an early ogre club. Phase Boots very good for chasing with Rocket Barrage when I'm not buying Drums. Gyro(Mid) skills - Gyro(Mid) used to be the dedicated Homing Missile build; I don't know why it was changed. | ||
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For Gyro i feel like timing window where u dont have SnY yet is so small u might aswell skip the Phase/Drums chasing power and go for straight SnY after Treads. i usually go Starting items->Basi->Boots->Wand->Aquila->Treads->Belt->Band of Elvenskin->Sange/Yasha and i feel like the point where i would have drums ready im so far into SnY (if i skipped drums) already that Drums were not useful enough at that point (and u run out of slots faster too). | ||
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On January 16 2016 00:46 Velzi wrote: For Gyro i feel like timing window where u dont have SnY yet is so small u might aswell skip the Phase/Drums chasing power and go for straight SnY after Treads. With your buildup do you usually have Yasha by level 7? | ||
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