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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 20:15:07
January 09 2016 01:24 GMT
#5241
ed
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 05:38:12
January 09 2016 04:52 GMT
#5242
On January 09 2016 06:50 Birdie wrote:
The problem with copying pro Void builds is that they're pretty reliant on the correct draft from what I've seen currently; not sure if that's appropriate for a guide. You do no damage with the build so you need to build burst damage heroes which do said damage from a certain amount of range away, e.g. Sky/Zeus/WD (arguably was important before as well, but more so now).


Right but it's been like that pretty much since the nerfs to him. The way i see void now is way more level dependant than he is item dependant than he used to be. This is typical of supports or offlaners as they won't be soaking up as much cs as a mid or safelaner.

His skillset is far more conducive, and in my opinion, more well defined towards this since the nerfs a couple of patches ago where all he needed was a mom, treads, and level 6 to get shit done. Universe was a prime example of why void got neutered lol.

But the whole pro build thing is also true for many of the "niche" heroes in Dota, but it doesn't make pro item/skill builds wrong or bad for a guide by any means.. sure pros do what they do bc they are good but saying that it's not good in a guide is such a cringe worthy falacy (I don't mean this as a sleight towards you btw)
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 09 2016 05:06 GMT
#5243
He's just as item-dependent as before. Putting him in the offlane hasn't changed that.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
January 09 2016 05:36 GMT
#5244
I disagree. With the way his new q and w work, he can actually be useful in a team fight if chrono is on cooldown without items. It used to be the exact opposite, even in his prime.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-09 15:57:21
January 09 2016 15:23 GMT
#5245
You are really underestimating just how many levels he needs to have that (situational) presence. He needs both spells maxed out. And how exactly is he going to initiate and get out with his abysmal STR gain? And even when he proves moderately useful whenever circumstances line up, he has no way to affect the game otherwise. He can't solo gank, push out lanes, properly threaten the safelane, pressure the map, or farm as long as Chronosphere is on CD. Without items he is by far one of the most underwhelming offlaners.

What's changed now is that no one runs him in the offlane to scale into a carry, so all his items focus on initiation or building up to initiation items. Taking that into account, it's rather curious that his basic item threshold cost 8750 gold.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 09 2016 19:16 GMT
#5246
if he has both skills maxed out, does he blow out all his mana fast or? Was thinking of maxing QW and E last.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
January 09 2016 21:42 GMT
#5247
at 40 and 50 mana a piece, definitely not, especially if you wind up getting a vlads and eventually an agha.

i carry a mango with me just in case though.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
firebfm
Profile Joined April 2014
22 Posts
January 10 2016 00:15 GMT
#5248
Add Necronomicon to Treant Protector? Without it he does no damage in teamfights. After using overgrowth, the necro minions can attack.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 10 2016 01:18 GMT
#5249
You never pick Treant to do damage in teamfights. There are enough AoE disabling heroes that do damage that you wouldn't pick Treant if it was remotely possible for you to need damage.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 11 2016 05:34 GMT
#5250
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1 million unique for Spirit Breaker

If interested in a timeline of 1 million hits and milestones, you can check it here: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771

https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
January 11 2016 06:32 GMT
#5251
The last sentence of Spirit Breaker's intro text is ungrammatical.

Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 11 2016 06:36 GMT
#5252
fixed
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 11 2016 16:13 GMT
#5253
Both Shadow Demon and Bane have Arcane Boots as Core then Mek as a situational item. Should Mek in that case just be Guardian Greaves? Or somehow otherwise indicate that if you get Mek + Arcane you probably want to grab the greave upgrade at some point.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 11 2016 20:14 GMT
#5254
On January 12 2016 01:13 Logo wrote:
Both Shadow Demon and Bane have Arcane Boots as Core then Mek as a situational item. Should Mek in that case just be Guardian Greaves? Or somehow otherwise indicate that if you get Mek + Arcane you probably want to grab the greave upgrade at some point.


Well just include GG

Thnaks!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 03:11:06
January 11 2016 20:15 GMT
#5255
Faceless Void
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Time Walk 2. Time Lock 3. Time Dilation)
Added Vladmir's Offering to Core Items
Added Yasha to Core Items
Added Butterfly To Luxury Items
Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Moved Sange and Yasha to Situational Items
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Refresher Orb to Luxury Items
Removed Mask of Madness
Removed Daedalus

Outworld Devourer
New Skill Build: W E Q E E Q E Q R Q R W W W R (1. Essence Aura 2. Arcane Orb 3. Astral Imprisonment)

Drow Ranger
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Frost Arrows 2. Precision Aura 3. Gust)
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Rubick
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items

Dazzle
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items

Disruptor
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Aether Lens to Extension Items
Moved Veil of Discord to Situational Items
Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Chen
Removed Iron Branch

Oracle (Lane)
Oracle (Middle)
Moved Solar Crest to Situational Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items

Shadow Demon
Added Guardian Greaves to Situational Items
Removed Mekansm

Bane
Added Guardian Greaves to Situational Items
Removed Mekansm

Dark Seer
Added Iron Branch 2x to Starting Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 03:28:11
January 11 2016 20:52 GMT
#5256
ok here we go updating as I go throughout the day:


Heroes to double-check/evaluate [DOTABUFF LINKS ARE SAMPLES/EXAMPLES, NOT ENTIRE POOL]:

: Lane/Middle:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129111538
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=356791078
No Matches

Arc Warden: Lane/Middle:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=576975639
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=576978688
No Matches

:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128876778

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2059810330
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067328957
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067550774
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067682924
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068100199
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069063624
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069416649
Aether Lens Core (before Glimmer)
Remove Urn of Shadows


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129332354

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068100199
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067225691
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066679779
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064776227
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064437263
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064343834
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064299688
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064017925
2x Farie Fire Starting Items (+ Two Iron Branches)
Tranquil Boots in Core Items
Aether Lens Situational Items
Remove Boots of Travel (looking to reduce Extension Items)

: Lane/Middle:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129134687
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=232415624

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070184901/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067842765
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067783943
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067225691
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065960306
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065111781
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064927649
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064861272
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064836234
Mango Starting Items (Lane) + Salve, Tango, Branch, Stout
Necro 3 first Core -> Blink (Lane)
Remove Soul Ring (Lane)
If Necro 3. core items -> Move Vlad's


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128751287
No Matches
Gearing towards a more utility role, keep in mind for future

(Lane/Middle)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129109889
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=359580647

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061866954/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063040897
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063371941
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064541636
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066985045
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070303765
Starting Items: Mango, Salve, Tangos, Stout (Lane)
Blink into Vlads, Power Treads instead of Arcane (Lane)


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=134962374

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068449910
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067842765/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064631768/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064531559
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062751657
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061999071/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061212672
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061039829
Starting Items: Mango, Tangoes, Healing Salve, Stout, Branch
Add Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Extension: move Sange and Yasha


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128757681

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066337298
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066144864
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063371941
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063322935
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062023258
Starting Items: Faerie Fire, Stout, Tangos, Quelling Blade
Push Phase Boots after Orchid
Reduce Extension Items: Butterfly, Eye of Skadi, Desolator
Add Sange and Yasha to Extension Items


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128735861

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060213109
Starting Items: Stout, Tango, Salve, Mango, Branch


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128918471

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063609588/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063091352
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062913180
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060145150
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060145150
Starting Items: Mango, Stout, Tango, 2x Iron Branch
Extension Items: Move BKB
Reverse Manta & Sange and Yasha
Remove Heart of Tarrasque
Situational Items: Add Vladmir's Offering


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129056935

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065442988
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062882855/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063000977/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062751657
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060744032
Move Dragon Lance to Situational Items
Remove Medallion of Courage
Remove Scythe of Vyse
Upgrade Diffusal to lvl 2


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128732275

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070247171
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068547220/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068205321/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068092670/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066679779
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065614124/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063816118/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063614085
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062737676
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062660792
change phase to power treads


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129323738

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070247171
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070184901/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070114438
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070058798/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069063624/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068449910/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068205321
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066679779
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066337298
Starting Items: Faerie Fire x2 + Null Talisman
Aether Lens to Situational Items
Black King Bar to Extension Items

Lane/Jungle:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=143243384
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129098268

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060990735/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061756636
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062788365
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065286763
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067550774
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068449910
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069724674
Drums -> Shadow Blade (Lane)
Vlads -> Shadow Blade (Jungle)
Drums Situational (Jungle)
Vlad's to Situational Items (Lane)
Infernal Blade at lvl 8
BKB to Situational Items
S&Y to Extension Items
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 12 2016 03:04 GMT
#5257
These changes are up-in-the-air. Not intending to make any more changes before today's stat update.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 12 2016 05:05 GMT
#5258
Based on how everyone is playing Void, yasha makes pretty much no sense, and all the damage items aren't really any use now. He's an offlane hero almost exclusively in the pro scene, with the build being consistently PMS/Wand/Iron Talon/Treads into Vlads, Agha, Blink. Sometimes delaying full Vlads till agha is complete and just getting morbid till then.

There are very few games where void gets items past those but when he does, BKB, Refresher, and BoTs seem to be the items, with BKB generally prioritized first.

This basically means throwing out most of your current build though, and pubs will be confused because "void no farm item no dmg wat?????? noob guide" and it will take 5 years before they figure out that void isn't a carry anymore.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 12 2016 06:49 GMT
#5259
It would be much clearer if we had the previously-discussed Offlane/Safelane/Support division of builds.
Moderator
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 12 2016 08:13 GMT
#5260
It's planned, but I'm waiting for 6.86 to pan out (at least ironing out the above when I go through the entire hero list) at least.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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