In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 266

Velzi

Finland659 Posts

January 15 2016 17:20 GMT

#5301

I've been messing around with HotD first lately which comes around 10-11minutes with treads aquila or/and wand.

So no, it doesnt, around 9-10 maybe closer.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

January 15 2016 19:38 GMT

#5302

And how active are you about trying to get kills with your first few uses of Calldown?

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 15 2016 19:57 GMT

#5303

On January 15 2016 20:23 Velzi wrote:
Centaur, i know he benefits from the magic resist because of Double Edge but Pipe as a core item? no i dont think thats the way to go. I would rather see force staff in core than Pipe. AC/Shiva is debatable, if u are offlane Cent its fairly common to see one of the other cores (mid,carry) get AC so Shivas would be way to go in those situations. Plus Shivas solves all mana issues for rest of the game. Leveling is not a big deal i think, whether u max hoof stomp or double edge should depend on how easy the lane is (maxing double edge in easy lane imo). Value point in return could earlier but thats again situational.

Lich is using only 550g starting gold, u could at a clarity/branch because branch will go to mek anyways and clarity is fine u spam q a lot. Force staff and Glimmer are great for lich. I rarely get aghs on lich and even more rarely i have money to get hex so there could be stuff like lotus/solar/veil/linken/pipe in situational to make people get something useful earlier rather than saving for 5700g item with slow farmer. Aghs is hard one because in low pubs people are bad at delta splitting but then again u still want to have setup to make it bounce more.

For Gyro im huge fan of treads on gyro just because with treads u dont have 800hp at 15min with it. Dragon Lance is not an item for gyro because it makes ur flak cannon awkward to hit with (because u are further from ur main target, u are further from enemy supports so they might be out of range because of DL. I like it we are skipping Rapier because of obvious reasons. Mid gyro has no rocket at all, i dont know about that, i feel like it could be super good but i dont really play gyro mid, only safelane afk farmer till big item and win game after that. Other items are fine imo.

Then there is good old jakiro debate with maxing q over w or other way around. I think there is discussion about that earlier but didnt find it.

DK really wants and needs blink but then again do u need it in pubs if u have SB (where we want to go with the guide, "real" way to build or effective way to build in current level)?

DP i would max e over q and start with e. At lvl1 it deals (in average) 20+0,05x500hp / sec = 45/sec (4s, 180 in total), is more mana efficient and q has 8s cooldown lvl1. Plus there is the minor slow in e. Its obviously for rune fights but in lane u could argue getting lvl1 q is better for last hitting and harassing. U get instantly one charge to e when u lvl it so u dont have to wait for the charge

The few matches played professional get Pipe (1 in Shanghai Majors). Not enough data to tell me if Pipe is too much but its not necessarily bad either. I think Force Staff is not necessary per se.

I can add another branch. Clarity doesn't seem necessary. Force Staff + Glimmer are already extension items.
I can replace hex with something else. I'll add it to the notes. I need confirmation on the skill build.
Aghs is good at all levels I believe

I am removing Dragon Lance, it's in the notes. Divine Rapier is not needed when Gyro has plenty of options.

We swapped maxing Ice Path to Dual Breath, we'll see how it is

: we're adding blink, see notes.

: Competitive matches, they're maxing Q then E.

On January 16 2016 00:30 Buckyman wrote:
Centaur Pipe - Hood is a farming item. Centaur flash-farms with Double-Edge and Return, so more HP regen and magic resistance means more income. The current version just rolls the core Hood into a Pipe. Also, although the guide doesn't mention it, Barrier->Double Edge is a useful combo.

Gyro Treads - I do this sometimes. But when playing by the guide and not getting any Situational items, I instead solve this problem with an early ogre club. Phase Boots very good for chasing with Rocket Barrage when I'm not buying Drums.

Gyro(Mid) skills - Gyro(Mid) used to be the dedicated Homing Missile build; I don't know why it was changed.

I removed Gyro Mid as Missile because it was a bit gimmicky and wasn't played as it was intended to be.

On January 16 2016 02:20 Velzi wrote:
I've been messing around with HotD first lately which comes around 10-11minutes with treads aquila or/and wand.

So no, it doesnt, around 9-10 maybe closer.

That's the build as it is now.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 15 2016 19:57 GMT

#5304

Buckyman

1364 Posts

January 15 2016 22:11 GMT

#5305

On January 16 2016 04:57 Torte de Lini wrote:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128735861

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060213109
Starting Items: Stout, Tango, Salve, Mango, Branch

I've run these starting items before; they work. The other variation I'd suggest you consider is Stout Shield, Ring of Protection, Tango, Salve i.e. Tranquil Boots rush.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 16 2016 00:03 GMT

#5306

First half of the heroes have been drafted, I'm going to apply changes over the weekend and start the second half starting next week.

Velzi

Finland659 Posts

January 16 2016 01:53 GMT

#5307

On January 16 2016 04:38 Buckyman wrote:
And how active are you about trying to get kills with your first few uses of Calldown?

clearly its game dependent but most of the time i play fairly passively, i guess i could be more active with gyro. Hope that answers ur question. I mean it could be just the fact that u want to play more active gyro, hence the phase drums build, where as i like to farm a bit longer with treads hotd/yasha kinda stuff.

Especially HotD makes me want to just farm farm farm and only tp to fights if its worth it.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 16 2016 02:23 GMT

#5308

1 million unique for

Magnus

If interested in a timeline of 1 million hits and milestones, you can check it here: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771

Buckyman

1364 Posts

January 16 2016 04:17 GMT

#5309

On January 13 2016 17:06 Buckyman wrote:
Of course, this is the 2k MMR perspective.

I just noticed this is misleading. Several of the unranked test games on Faceless Void (like this one) were flagged as 'High Skill' level.

Apparently I've been maintaining a high enough win rate while testing changes - without a corresponding improvement to my 'stable' builds for Ranked - that my ranked and unranked skill brackets have diverged.

Thanks, Torte de Lini; you've taken me to the next level.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 16 2016 04:28 GMT

#5310

If you check other people's profiles in-game, they sometimes display their MMR, it may better indicate your current MMR.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 16 2016 05:08 GMT

#5311

Bane
Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Extension Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Batrider
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Tango
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3

Beastmaster (Lane)
Moved Boots of Speed to Core Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Tranquil Boots
Removed Soul Ring
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Shiva's Guard

Beastmaster (Middle)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Core Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Iron Branch

Brewmaster (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Thunder Clap 2. Drunken Brawler 3. Drunken Haze)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Clarity
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Brewmaster (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Thunder Clap 2. Drunken Brawler 3. Drunken Haze)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Bristleback
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch

Broodmother
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Quelling Blade to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to Core Items
Added Sange and Yasha to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Desolator
Removed Butterfly
Removed Eye of Skadi

Centaurwarrunner
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch

Chaos Knight
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Quelling Blade
Removed Heart of Tarrasque

Clinkz
Moved Dragon Lance to Situational Items
Removed Medallion of Courage
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Clockwerk
Added Power Treads to Core Items
Removed Phase Boots

Death Prophet
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Crypt Swarm 2. Spirit Siphon 3. Silence)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Tango

Doom (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W E Q Q R E E E R (1. Devour 2. Scorched Earth 3. Infernal Blade)
Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Doom (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q Q R Q E W W R E E E (1. Devour 2. Scorched Earth 3. Infernal Blade)
Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Dragon Knight (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Breathe Fire 2. Dragon Blood 3. Dragon Tail)
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Blink Dagger to Core Items
Added Quelling Blade to Situational Items
Removed Shadow Blade
Removed Helm of the Dominator
Removed Heart of Tarrasque from Extension Items

Dragon Knight (Middle)
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Blink Dagger to Core Items
Added Quelling Blade to Situational Items
Removed Tango
Removed Shadow Blade
Removed Helm of the Dominator
Removed Heart of Tarrasque from Extension Items

Earth Spirit (Lane)
Added Aether Lens to Situational Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Stout Shield

Earth Spirit (Middle)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Wards to Starting Items
Added Aether Lens to Situational Items
Removed Faerie Fire

Elder Titan (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q W E Q R W E E E W R W Q Q R (1. Natural Order 2. Astral Spirit 3. Echo Stomp)

Elder Titan (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E W E W E W E R Q R Q Q Q R (1. Astral Spirit 3. Natural Order 3. Echo Stomp)

Ember Spirit (Lane)
Ember Spirit (Middle)
Moved Daedalus to Core Items

Enchantress
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Orchid of Malevolence
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Enigma
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Removed Courier
Removed Observer Wards x2
Removed Utility Items
Removed Rod of Atos
Removed Pipe of Insight
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Gyrocopter (Lane)
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Dragon Lance

Gyrocopter (Middle)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Added Circlet of Nobility to Starting Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Slippers of Agility
Remove Tango
Removed Dragon Lance

Jakiro
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Juggernaut
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items

Legion Commander (Lane)
Added to Bottle to Core Items

Leshrac (Lane)
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Guardian Greaves
Removed Veil of Discord
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Leshrac (Middle)
Remove Glimmer Cape

Lich
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items

Lifestealer (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Rage 2. Open Wounds 3. Feast)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Tango
Removed Mjollnir

Lifestealer (Jungle)
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Quelling Blade to Starting Items
Moved Iron Talon to "Early Game"
Moved Hand of Midas to "Early Game"
Removed Mjollnir

Lina (Lane)
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Moved Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Removed Power Treads
Removed Drums of Endurance

Lina (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Dragon Slave 2. Light Strike Array 3. Fiery Soul)
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Lion
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Lone Druid (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Summon Spirit Bear 2. Rabid 3. Savage Roar)
Added Iron Talon to Core Items (Bear)
Added Orb of Venom to Core Items (Bear)
Added Ring of Basilius to Core Items (Druid)
Added Boots of Speed to Core Items (Druid)
Added Vladmir's Offering to Core Items (Druid)
Removed Tranquil Boots

Lone Druid (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q W Q W Q R Q W W E R E E E (1. Summon Spirit Bear 2. Rabid 3. Savage Roar)
Added Iron Talon to Core Items (Bear)
Added Orb of Venom to Core Items (Bear)
Added Ring of Basilius to Core Items (Druid)
Added Boots of Speed to Core Items (Druid)
Added Vladmir's Offering to Core Items (Druid)
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Tranquil Boots

Luna
Moved Helm of the Dominator to Core Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Removed Dragon Lance

Lycan (Lane)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items

Lycan (Middle)
Added Quelling Blade to Starting Items
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Moved Iron Talon to Early Game

Magnus
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W (1. Shockwave 2. Skewer 3. Empower)

Necrophos
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Death Pulse 2. Sadist 3. Heartstopper Aura)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Nyx Assassin (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Impale 2. Mana Burn 3. Spiked Carapace)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Iron Talon to Situational Items
Added Tranquil Boots to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Ethereal Blade to Extension Items
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Nyx Assassin (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Impale 2. Mana Burn 3. Spiked Carapace)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Iron Talon to Situational Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Arcane Boots to Core Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Ethereal Blade
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Ogre Magi
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Added Arcane Boots to Extension Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Bottle
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Shiva's Guard
Removed Boots of Travel

Oracle (Lane)
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items

Oracle (Middle)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Removed Tango

Outworld Devourer
New Skill Build: W E Q E Q E Q Q R E R W W W R (1. Arcane Orb 2. Essence Aura 3. Astral Imprisonment)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items

Phantom Lancer
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Added Boots of Travel to Luxury Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Satanic
Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2

Puck
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Tango
Removed Branch
Removed Boots of Speed

Pudge
New Skill Build: Q W Q W Q R Q W W E R E E E R (1. Meat Hook 2. Rot 3. Flesh Heap)
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items

Pugna
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Aether Lens to Core Items
Added Aether Lens to Core - Pusher
Moved Necromonicon - Level 3
Removed Iron Branch

Razor
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Wraith Band to Starting Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Tango

Sand King
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Removed Ethereal Blade
Removed Boots of Travel

Shadow Fiend
New Skill Build: W Q Q W Q W Q W R E R E E E R (1. Shadowraze 2. Necromastery 3. Presence of the Dark Lord)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Wraith Band to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Tango

Shadow Shaman (Lane)

Shadow Shaman (Middle)
New Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E R (1. Ether Shock 2. Shackles 3. Hex)
Added Arcane Boots to Extension Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items

double-check

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128887479

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2075276122/builds
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064423945/builds
need more data
remove Meka?
Move Guardian Greaves to Situational?
Blink -> Aether -> BKB?
double-check this one

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128873254

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064631768/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064531559/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062424026/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061014289/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060890965/
ult at 8
1 in W
Max E then Q
double-check this one

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128882317

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070303765
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070058798
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063199880
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062111500
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061756636
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060930836
Two points in E, max Q then max W?
double-check this one

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

January 16 2016 11:04 GMT

#5312

On January 16 2016 13:17 Buckyman wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's pretty normal for unranked dotabuff brackets to be slightly inflated vs ranked ones.

On January 16 2016 14:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
double-check

Mek vs blink on enigma is kind of the eternal question. Nothing significant has changed about the hero; he always had to choose between shoving towers with mek or making plays with blink and that's still the case. He just isn't very popular.

I think the old build is fine pending more data. If you really wanted you could send one of mek/blink to situational, as he's probably more likely to go [mek/blink]->BKB than mek>blink>BKB. I don't see a compelling reason to add aether.

For kka you could make your life easier in the support/core transition by setting the lane version to utility and leaving mid as-is.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 16 2016 21:13 GMT

#5313

First half of hero builds are updated. 74 more guides to go.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 17 2016 00:32 GMT

#5314

On January 16 2016 20:04 Belisarius wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's pretty normal for unranked dotabuff brackets to be slightly inflated vs ranked ones.

Show nested quote +

Gonna review them after I go through the entire list.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 17 2016 00:46 GMT

#5315

Heroes to double-check/evaluate [DOTABUFF LINKS ARE SAMPLES/EXAMPLES, NOT ENTIRE POOL]:

+ Show Spoiler [part 1] +

:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128876778

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2059810330
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067328957
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067550774
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067682924
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2068100199
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069063624
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069416649
Aether Lens Core (before Glimmer)
Remove Urn of Shadows

(Lane/Middle)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129109889
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=359580647

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061866954/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063040897
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063371941
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064541636
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066985045
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070303765
Starting Items: Mango, Salve, Tangos, Stout (Lane)
Blink into Vlads, Power Treads instead of Arcane (Lane)

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129056935

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2065442988
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062882855/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063000977/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062751657
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2060744032
Move Dragon Lance to Situational Items
Remove Medallion of Courage
Remove Scythe of Vyse
Upgrade Diffusal to lvl 2

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128887479

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2075276122/builds
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064423945/builds
need more data
Remove Utility Items
Remove Cour + Wards Starting Items
Add 2x Iron Branch to Starting Items
remove Meka?
Move Guardian Greaves to Situational?
Blink -> Aether -> BKB?
Extension: Shiva's Refresher, Octarine, Aghs?
double-check this one

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128862386

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2064861272
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063281584
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2063022628
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066144864
Starting Items: Cour + Wards, Mangos, Iron Branch x2, Tangos

: Lane/Middle
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=319085962
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128895761

No Matches
Lane Build: Max W?
Reduce Extension Items (both)
Remove Guardian Greaves
Aether Lens Situational Items (Lane)
Veil of Discord - Situational Items (Lane)
BKB situational (Both)
improve extension items to be more late-game (Lane)

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128929132

No Matches
Remove Scythe of Vyse

Lane/Jungle
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129399862
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=176984007

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070184901
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2070058798
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069416649/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2069063624
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067842765/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067613703
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067225691
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2066337298

Level 2 Lone Druid -> E instead of W (W at 4)
Ultimate at 6/11/16 (Jungle)
Starting Items (Bear): Stout + Tangos + Quelling Blade (Lane/Jungle)
Starting Items (Druid): Iron Branch x2
Early Game (Bear): Iron Talon + Orb of Venom + Boots of Speed (Lane/Jungle)
Early Game (Druid): After Early Game Bear - Ring of Basi + Boots of Speed
Core (Bear): Radiance -> Phase Boots
Core (Druid): Vlads -> Tranquil Boots -> Wand
Extension (Bear): Assault Cuirass, Mjollnir, Abyssal Blade, Monkey King Bar
Extension (Druid): Glimmer Cape, Crimson Guard, Necromonicon 3, Butterfly
double-check this one

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129063701

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062557027
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062482167/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061873247/
remove Dragon Lance
HOTD instead of Drums?
Remove Moon Shard

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129076227

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062642139/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2062487936
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2061873247/
Linken's Core (again)
Enchanted Mango Starting Items (remove Salve)
Manta Style in Extension Items
Move Butterfly to Luxury Items
Move Monkey King Bar to Luxury Items
Eye of Skadi to Luxury Items

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128925332

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2067682924/
Core - Pusher: Power Treads + Drums of Endurance + Aghanim's Scepter?
Core - Items (Ganker): Phase + Drums + Shadow Blade
Extension Items: Scythe of Vyse, Monkey King Bar, Assault Cuirass,
Remove Mjollnir, Daedalus
Orchid of Malevolence to Situational Items
Blade Mail to Situational Items

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129130896

Core Items: Guardian Greaves -> Aghanim's?
Extension: Aether Lens, Glimmer, Vlad's, Refresher, Shiva's

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 17 2016 04:55 GMT

#5316

I'm going to directly apply changes that are consistent in recent matches. Above are changes I'd like to make based on observation plus the sample matches/links, but might need second opinions or more time to consider.

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

January 17 2016 06:27 GMT

#5317

Again, the point of putting manta in luxury is to try to stop people buying it until they have the stats to make it worthwhile. For most ranged carries, this is 4th item minimum. I feel like I spend half my time on this forum resisting encroachment from manta styles.

I would prefer it stayed in luxury for both heroes. Morph bought it in zero of the games you're using as evidence, for one thing. Dusa does seem to be getting it more often, but it's hard to rationalise that when illusions from a linkens->manta dusa are about as threatening as a ranged creep. I really don't think that build is a good idea if she's expected to contribute in the first... like... hour.

Morph should definitely have Linkens in core. We probably shouldn't have removed it.

I really don't want to see more aghs rush prophets in pubs.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 17 2016 21:03 GMT

#5318

After updating the Oracle guide and being unable to make an offlane "Aether Lens" build, I can understand the annoyance of not having a more Core/Support categorization.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 17 2016 23:24 GMT

#5319

we're doing good, gonna update them all tonight!

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 17 2016 23:24 GMT

#5320

Bane
Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Extension Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Batrider
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Tango
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3

Beastmaster (Middle)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Core Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Iron Branch

Bristleback
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch

Clinkz
Moved Dragon Lance to Situational Items
Removed Medallion of Courage
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Doom (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W E Q Q R E E E R (1. Devour 2. Scorched Earth 3. Infernal Blade)
Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Enchantress
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Orchid of Malevolence

Enigma
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Removed Courier
Removed Observer Wards x2
Removed Utility Items
Removed Rod of Atos
Removed Pipe of Insight
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Gyrocopter (Lane)
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Dragon Lance

Invoker
New Skill Build: W Q Q W W Q W Q W Q W R R W E R E E E E E E Q Q (1. Wex 2. Exort 1. Quas)

Jakiro
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Juggernaut
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items

Legion Commander (Lane)
Added to Bottle to Core Items

Leshrac (Lane)
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Guardian Greaves
Removed Veil of Discord
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Leshrac (Middle)
Remove Glimmer Cape

Lich
New Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q E W E R W W W (1. Frost Blast 2. Sacrifice 3. Ice Armor)
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items

Magnus
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W (1. Shockwave 2. Skewer 3. Empower)

Morphling
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Linken's Sphere to Core Items
Moved Eye of Skadi to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Necrophos
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Death Pulse 2. Sadist 3. Heartstopper Aura)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Nyx Assassin (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Impale 2. Mana Burn 3. Spiked Carapace)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Iron Talon to Situational Items
Added Tranquil Boots to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Ethereal Blade to Extension Items
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Nyx Assassin (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Impale 2. Mana Burn 3. Spiked Carapace)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Iron Talon to Situational Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Arcane Boots to Core Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Ethereal Blade
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Ogre Magi
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Added Arcane Boots to Extension Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Bottle
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Shiva's Guard
Removed Boots of Travel

Oracle (Lane)
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items

Oracle (Middle)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items
Removed Tango

Outworld Devourer
New Skill Build: W E Q E Q E Q Q R E R W W W R (1. Arcane Orb 2. Essence Aura 3. Astral Imprisonment)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items

Puck
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Tango
Removed Branch
Removed Boots of Speed

Pugna
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Aether Lens to Core Items
Added Aether Lens to Core - Pusher
Moved Necromonicon - Level 3
Removed Iron Branch

Shadow Shaman (Lane)

Silencer (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E W E E R E W W Q R Q Q Q R (1. Last Word 2. Glaives of Wisdom 3. Arcane Curse)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Removed Tango
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Dragon Lance

Skywrath Mage (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Bolt 2. Ancient Seal 3. Concussive Shot)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Veil of Discord to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Mantle of Intelligence

Skywrath Mage (Lane)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Moved Veil of Discord to Situational Items

Slardar
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Iron Talon to Situational Items
Added Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Desolator

Slark (Middle)
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Tango

Spectre
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Refresher Orb to Luxury Items
Removed Eye of Skadi

Spirit Breaker
New Skill Build: Q E W Q Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Greater Bash 2. Charge of Darkness 3. Empowering Haste)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Sange and Yasha to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Removed Satanic
Removed Moon Shard

Storm Spirit
Added Faerie Fire x2 to Starting Items
Removed Mantle of Intelligence

Templar Assassin
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W W W W E E R R (1. Refraction 2. Meld 3. Psi Blades)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Assault Cuirass
Removed Butterfly

Terrorblade
New Skill Build: Q E E W E W E W R W R Q Q Q (1. Metamorphosis 2. Conjure Image 3. Reflection)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game
Added Quelling Blade to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Core Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Wraith Band

Tidehunter
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Octarine Core

Tiny (Lane)

Tiny (Middle)
Removed Satanic

Troll Warlord (Lane)
Troll Warlord (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Fervor 2. Berserker's Rage 3. Whirling Axes)
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Removed Tango
Removed Eye of Skadi

Undying
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Tombstone 2. Soul Rip 3. Decay)
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Ursa (Lane)
New Skill Build: E Q W W W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Overpower 2. Fury Swipes 3. Earthshock)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Orb of Venom

Ursa (Jungle)
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Removed Power Treads

Viper
Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items
Added Wraith Band to Starting Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Tango
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Butterfly

Visage
New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Soul Assumption 2. Gravekeeper's Cloak 3. Grave Chill)
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Weaver (Lane)

Weaver (Middle)
Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Winter Wyvern
Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Witch Doctor
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Wraith King
Added Enchanted Mango to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Iron Branch
Removed Boots of Speed

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