EPTIn-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 204
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Plansix
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On August 11 2015 00:35 Plansix wrote: Torte, we were using your guide for phantom lance and folks noticed you had two clarities in the starting items. The general consensus was that clarities are super bad on melee cores because to use them requires you to give up last hits or be scared. And when I say we, it was Ran and Blue along with a couple other 4-5K players. And poor man’s shield is OP during laning. Many melee cores should consider it a must buy That was the other thing. I can remove Clarity. PMS was phased out for a lot of melee heroes because Aquila offers the minor mana regen needed and it's all-around more accomodating (in and out of lane). PMS is still as Core/situational for: Anti-Mage Ember Spirit Faceless Void Riki | ||
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On August 11 2015 04:11 Torte de Lini wrote: I can remove Clarity. PMS was phased out for a lot of melee heroes because Aquila offers the minor mana regen needed and it's all-around more accomodating (in and out of lane). PMS is still as Core/situational for: Anti-Mage Ember Spirit Faceless Void Riki the thing about PMS is, while you aren't wrong about the mana regen, it allows melee heroes to navigate their lane a lot better than they otherwise would by pretty much negating creep dmg half of the time as well as reducing incoming harass by around 1/3 depending on the hero doing the harassing. this is something aquilla cannot do but you get it much sooner than the aquilla AND you can purchase the slippers from the side shop whereas you need to ferry the other components for the ROA. FYI in your guide it still shows clarities in the starting items. if you simply remove the clarity, you wind up with 200g left over. use that to buy a RoP and they can then finish their basi at the side shop, choosing to get that or the PMS, or even both since the 6 agi is nice if they so choose. | ||
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ahswtini
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the only melee heroes i would buy a clarity for are wraith king, tiny, maybe ck, ie. heroes that literally can only cast one spell before they run out of mana. their small mana pool means that while u wont get the full value out of clarity, u wont forced away from the creeps to regen for too long either also pms is a situational item but u shud not treat aquila as a substitute for it. pms is like the best first item to get once u enter lane if u expect to be harassed a lot, or u will be fighting a lot. | ||
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I'm not looking to add PMS to heroes who already have a lot of situational items to consider, or have a lot of items in their guide. I feel, in most cases, Ring of Aquila would be sufficient to survive during the laning phase where harassment is inconsistent. For Phantom Lancer, who can jungle relatively early, I don't think the consideration of PMS should be warranted or bog down the decision-making of a player. I recall for Anti-Mage that we had PMS slotted though even at the higher levels, Ring of Health was usually sufficient for the entire early-game. I don't see anyone buying PMS for Phantom Lancer right now and it just doesn't appear to be valued enough to be implemented to a hero that already has a minimum of 4 items per tab (6 tabs/24 items total). Though I have been putting in more items into the guides as of recently (from 2 to 3 to now 4 to 5 maximum), I want to avoid the collection from becoming those builds where they put 9 different choice items for every possibility of the spectrum during all phases of the game. We don't have to cover every possibility or scenario, it just has to be enough of a guiding hand to give people the confidence. We won't be blamed if they were harassed too much from not putting PMS because there are so many other factors that would affect their gameplay and outcome as a whole. The heroes are a colouring book that players need to colour fully every game, we just tell them the colours that would usually look good for that hero. I'll look into other heroes that may need it and their hero pool is rather small. I know for some heroes, I have trouble last-hitting and it would help. | ||
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On August 11 2015 20:45 Torte de Lini wrote: I can remove the second clarity and add Ring of Protection. I'm not looking to add PMS to heroes who already have a lot of situational items to consider, or have a lot of items in their guide. I feel, in most cases, Ring of Aquila would be sufficient to survive during the laning phase where harassment is inconsistent. For Phantom Lancer, who can jungle relatively early, I don't think the consideration of PMS should be warranted or bog down the decision-making of a player. I recall for Anti-Mage that we had PMS slotted though even at the higher levels, Ring of Health was usually sufficient for the entire early-game. I don't see anyone buying PMS for Phantom Lancer right now and it just doesn't appear to be valued enough to be implemented to a hero that already has a minimum of 4 items per tab (6 tabs/24 items total). Though I have been putting in more items into the guides as of recently (from 2 to 3 to now 4 to 5 maximum), I want to avoid the collection from becoming those builds where they put 9 different choice items for every possibility of the spectrum during all phases of the game. We don't have to cover every possibility or scenario, it just has to be enough of a guiding hand to give people the confidence. We won't be blamed if they were harassed too much from not putting PMS because there are so many other factors that would affect their gameplay and outcome as a whole. The heroes are a colouring book that players need to colour fully every game, we just tell them the colours that would usually look good for that hero. I'll look into other heroes that may need it and their hero pool is rather small. I know for some heroes, I have trouble last-hitting and it would help. i understand where you're coming from and agree you don't want to bog people down, but my explanation on the PMS was just to clarify your misconception of the item. | ||
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On August 12 2015 02:10 Thetwinmasters wrote: Can u put back ghost scepter for lesh middle in situational there are some games were it is absolutely needed on that hero yepyep | ||
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Faceless Void about to hit 1 million. | ||
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On August 12 2015 07:05 Torte de Lini wrote: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128922664 Faceless Void about to hit 1 million. have you ever thought about changing that to 1-1-3-1 so that the first chrono kill has a higher chance of success? shame he's gone from the meta, i enjoy playing faceless..he just comes on way too late compared to other carries atm unless the other team just groups up lol | ||
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I don't think we'll change it. The current build is a good middle-ground, no? | ||
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