EPTOn August 06 2015 00:02 ahswtini wrote:
doesnt witch doctor heal not actually scale in level in terms of heal per mana spent?
doesnt witch doctor heal not actually scale in level in terms of heal per mana spent?
its proportionate across the levels.
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its proportionate across the levels. | ||
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On August 06 2015 03:30 Buckyman wrote: If anything, an aghs rush on WD means the 3rd and 4th levels of Restoration are better, since unlike Maledict, the Restoration helps WD channel the ult for longer.. IMO its the opposite. you're getting extra HP from the aghs and in a situation where you would normally need to pop the heal and cast ulti, its not as necessary bc you're slightly tankier lvl 4 maledict gives you 320 dmg assuming no dmg or healing is taken. add in the bonus dmg from the dmg taken from death ward and you deal a TON of damage at lvl 11 with agha ulti. but like i mentioned, one of the most important reasons you want the max maledict before the heal is bc by the time you hit lvl 12 when you get your 2nd pt, bkbs will be out..so its like why bother leveling it bc front liners will all have spell immunity | ||
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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129191918 There's really 2 builds, one is maxing maledict first, the other is skipping it entirely. Cask can do far more if maxed first than 320 damage to a hero just from bounces from a much longer range than maledict. I suspect the single point in heal is from when heal wasn't proportional in mana (level 1 was much more efficient), but it's still appropriate. What's there right now skillbuild-wise is a pretty good compromise imo. The maledict max is a lot rarer than the other build, anymore but it's been a decent build ever since maledict range was buffed from 400-550. And maledict is a lot more potent in pubs, generally it's worth leveling. | ||
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1 - Can use mana to sustain self and another character in lane 2 - The double-speed healing means one's team can disengage from a fight, heal up, and reengage with the next creep wave. 3 +4 - Can use heal inside a teamfight to repair a significant fraction of incoming DPS, as long as the other team can't focus fire well. 1, 2 and 4 are all reasonable breakpoints. | ||
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On August 06 2015 06:06 Torte de Lini wrote: The actual build is skipping Maledict al'together, but I didn't want to make that the 'standard' for newcomers. well, yes. my argument is with that in mind, since you're taking points in maledict at all. | ||
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Low level pubs you want to kill stuff, so you get Maledict. | ||
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I'm seeing a mix of builds for Zeus between what it is now and delaying Static Field until 6. For Witch Doctor, I feel the current skill build is lot easier to play and more cohesive towards what the team would want [especially with more mistakes being made and execution being weaker]. With Maledict maxed, you're constantly starved for mana on top of the item build where we rush Aghanim's immediately whereas with this build; having only to initiating with your Q, turning on your heal and focusing on key positioning with your ultimate sounds good. Item build-wise; we could skip Arcane; I would prefer having Glimmer Cape there, but we can discuss it more. My biggest fear with Witch Doctor is mana consumption and positioning when using your ultimate so I don't get interrupted, I feel the current build relaxes those two areas. I also updated Luna's skill build (pre-6): Q, E ,E, Q, Q, R Q | ||
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On August 06 2015 18:24 Torte de Lini wrote: I added Bloodstone to Zeus. I'm seeing a mix of builds for Zeus between what it is now and delaying Static Field until 6. For Witch Doctor, I feel the current skill build is lot easier to play and more cohesive towards what the team would want [especially with more mistakes being made and execution being weaker]. With Maledict maxed, you're constantly starved for mana on top of the item build where we rush Aghanim's immediately whereas with this build; having only to initiating with your Q, turning on your heal and focusing on key positioning with your ultimate sounds good. Item build-wise; we could skip Arcane; I would prefer having Glimmer Cape there, but we can discuss it more. My biggest fear with Witch Doctor is mana consumption and positioning when using your ultimate so I don't get interrupted, I feel the current build relaxes those two areas. I also updated Luna's skill build (pre-6): Q, E ,E, Q, Q, R Q surely E Q Q is more standard, like ur rarely gonna be beamin ppl at lvl 1 | ||
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On August 06 2015 18:38 ahswtini wrote: surely E Q Q is more standard, like ur rarely gonna be beamin ppl at lvl 1 Yes it is, but I was thinking the ministun would help for 0:00 rune edit: bonus damage for the team or ministun? | ||
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+14 dmg for ur team is probably better than a 75 dmg (more like 56) nuke, but it depends on how much cc ur team has as well. the moon beam might just secure that last hit on a fleeing hero. | ||
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On August 06 2015 18:55 ahswtini wrote: i question just how useful the ministun is in a rune fight, especially against multiple heroes. i also question basing all of the skill builds in your guides on first rune spawn fights. remember the ppl reading ur guides are, for the most part, going to skill as soon as they are out of the fountain +14 dmg for ur team is probably better than a 75 dmg (more like 56) nuke, but it depends on how much cc ur team has as well. the moon beam might just secure that last hit on a fleeing hero. We'll just have to assume what would be universally more useful. Reversed it to E, Q, Q, E | ||
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On August 06 2015 22:07 BluemoonSC wrote: i said this yesterday but i believe it was looked over for the other changes..but dont take quelling blade from PL. his illusions get the benefit and jungling goes much faster Ah yeah, I forgot about that. I think it's really good; but I moved back to Drums of Endurance again. With Drums back, you're six-slotted pretty fast and uncomfortably. Ring of Aquila Wand Drums Power Treads TP Stout Shield/Regen/Start of Diffusal | ||
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i think early on, depending on the lane, stick is useful because you're sorta squishy..but you want the aquilla +treads so spending the extra gold on completing the wand isn't particularly high of a priority | ||
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