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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2015 22:14 Torte de Lini wrote: No reason to get angry or frustrated. Both builds are there and when I get to play them, I will make the necessary change. Telling me the ramifications doesn't change anything. Previously the dagger was maxed and then we switched it to maxing blur. I am going to have to echo his statement. BF on PA is an option, but there needs to be two builds. Everyone I play with goes Aquila into Helm into BF. That BF could just be a basher or BKB depending on the game. More importantly, that is unlimited time for the enemy team to get an MKB and then PA is garbo. You either need two guides or something similar to the “pick one” option for LC. Also, end the reign of Jungle Life Stealer. The blight has gone on long enough. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 28 2015 22:25 ahswtini wrote: dont make me write a big blog about it I would prefer you just not talk to me in that way. To note:
First page, hasn't changed since February, 2013. Bottom-line is that I don't make decisions under that kind of attempted pressured and I don't do a change unless I understand it as well. I do this on top of the other parts of my life; so it takes time and patience. I want to play PA first before making the change (both skill build + without HOTD). Remember that I proposed the change from the start several weeks ago, so following-through is also a part of the process. I also need to go back and read what was the reasoning we maxed Blur then (as well as re-test the Blink Dagger change). | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
max blur was probs to let u trade hits with the offlaner. and often with a support assist, u only need one blink strike to kill. that was also the era of many juggs and trolls. and i will talk with u however i want, deal with it. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 28 2015 23:25 ahswtini wrote: i like hotd cuz it lets u jungle and stay at full health ready to tp and fight whenever. i try and find a wildwing and stack a hard camp then farm it with the help of tornado, or stack and farm ancients if u did go bfury route. max blur was probs to let u trade hits with the offlaner. and often with a support assist, u only need one blink strike to kill. that was also the era of many juggs and trolls. and i will talk with u however i want, deal with it. I respond to those who are civil and helpful without unwarranted antagonism, whether in jest or not. Talk how you want, the behavior will be met (if any) with equal liberty. I believe we maxed Blur before because of 6.83, which is what was mentioned here correctly. Troll/Sniper are no longer the meta and that was what was said here now, just needed to confirm it by reviewing post history. u only need one blink strike to kill. that was also the era of many juggs and trolls. Right. Now, when I was playing Battlefury PA, I felt that it was not worth it in value and wanted to seek an alternative. The alternative is there, elmininating Battlefury is another step that I need to consider, I understand the redundancy however. End of today, I will apply the necessary changes. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
why do u need bfury?? why do u not build bfury on the majority of other melee carries??? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
 ViperNew Skill Build: Q W Q E E R E E W W R W Q Q (1. Corrosive Skin 2. Nethertoxin 3. Poison Attack) Added Black King Bar to Situational Items Added Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Glimmer Cape Nature's Prophet Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Shadow Blade to Core - Pusher Moved Orchid of Malevolence to Extension Items Removed Glimmer Cape Removed Moon Shard  PugnaAdded Guardian Greaves to Core - Pusher  Phantom AssassinCreated New Tab: "Core - Mid-Game" Added Helm of the Dominator to "Core - Mid-Game" Added Black King Bar to "Core - Mid-Game" Added Skull Basher to "Core - Mid-Game" Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Moved Butterfly to Situational Items Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items  Leshrac (Middle)Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Removed Tranquil Boots  Silencer (Lane)Moved Rod of Atos to Core Items Moved Mekansm to Situational Items Silencer (Middle)Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items  Lina (Middle)Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Boots of Travel to Extension Items Lina (Lane)Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Octarine Core to Luxury Items Moved Scythe of Vyse to Luxury Items Removed Mjollnir Removed Eye of Skadi Winter Wyvern New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Splinter Blast 2. Arctic Burn 3. Cold Embrace) Moved Force Staff to Situational Items moved soul ring after boots of speed Moved Magic Wand to Core Items after tranquil boots Queen of Pain Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Moved Magic Wand to Core Items Removed Ghost Secepter Removed Mjollnir  Brewmaster (Lane) Brewmaster (Middle)Removed Moon Shard  ClockwerkAdded Bottle to Early Game Added Solar Crest to Extension Items Moved Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items To-Do Test Phantom Assassin Revise Silver Edge on builds Revise Queen of Pain (incl. right-click luxury items?) Consider Moon Shard as additional Luxury (+ Boots of Travel) or Extension. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The choice to get BF doesn't in and of itself change the nature of the hero. It's a farming item for farming games, and you're still going to get BKB/Basher/Lifesteal regardless. Those are the actual "core" items, and the decision to get BF is a farming decision the same way choosing to get a Midas isn't a totally different build, but a farming decision. Hell, there are even games that could call for a late BF after BKB. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
In regards to Queen of Pain, I'm unsure if the guide wants Aghs as Core and Orchid as Extension or vice-versa? I'm a bit torn as Orchid has its viability against key popular mids, but Aghs is just so good. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On July 29 2015 01:13 Torte de Lini wrote: Good point. In regards to Queen of Pain, I'm unsure if the guide wants Aghs as Core and Orchid as Extension or vice-versa? I'm a bit torn as Orchid has its viability against key popular mids, but Aghs is just so good. lol im glad we got yango in here to echo what we've been saying before you acknowledge what we've been saying about BF all along :/ RE: QOP..the decision to go orchid hinges on how good your farm is. are you going to get it soon enough where it will make an impact? if not, skip it to go agha. ultimately, the orchid agha + scream combo will annihilate a support under most circumstances so i'd say just leave it as is. im not sure how you want to have that reflect in your guides though. personally, as others suggested, i would have two builds in there. core caster and core right click. | ||
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On July 29 2015 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote: lol im glad we got yango in here to echo what we've been saying before you acknowledge what we've been saying about BF all along :/ RE: QOP..the decision to go orchid hinges on how good your farm is. are you going to get it soon enough where it will make an impact? if not, skip it to go agha. ultimately, the orchid agha + scream combo will annihilate a support under most circumstances so i'd say just leave it as is. im not sure how you want to have that reflect in your guides though. personally, as others suggested, i would have two builds in there. core caster and core right click. The argument was acknowledged before Yango's input, but I wanted to follow-up with my own experiences before making the necessary change (end of today/tomorrow). As for QOP: I don't know if a dual-build is really necessary if we really just want people to know and comfortably play QOP. This feels more like a decision on which direction we want to build QOP rather than offering two completely different ways of playing (I feel right-click QOP is a bit more demanding to play). Wouldn't it be acceptable to do: Extension Items: Aghs, AC, Refresher, Scythe Luxury: Boots of Travel, Skadi, Octarine. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 29 2015 03:54 BluemoonSC wrote: RE: QOP..the decision to go orchid hinges on how good your farm is. are you going to get it soon enough where it will make an impact? if not, skip it to go agha. ultimately, the orchid agha + scream combo will annihilate a support under most circumstances so i'd say just leave it as is. I'd say it depends a lot more on the heroes in the game--who you can and can't solo-kill with an Orchid (or whether that's even feasible with your game plan), and how likely you are to need to make the lategame DPS transition. QoP's just a bad hero to make cookie-cutter guide for, but if you have to pick one, either is fine. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On July 29 2015 08:33 TheYango wrote: I'd say it depends a lot more on the heroes in the game--who you can and can't solo-kill with an Orchid (or whether that's even feasible with your game plan), and how likely you are to need to make the lategame DPS transition. QoP's just a bad hero to make cookie-cutter guide for, but if you have to pick one, either is fine. thats sorta what i meant by "will it make an impact"  | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
its only good vs like 2 heroes in all of dota | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 29 2015 10:50 Sn0_Man wrote: can u PLEASE take aghs off es guide ty its only good vs like 2 heroes in all of dota Didn't know this, I will fix today with PA | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IVC7aD6.png) Fucking Earthshaker build is bugged, can't even reach the fucking save button. Doesn't load my ability build or anything. | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
illusions dont benefit from nethertoxin, ranged manta is generally shit anyway. if ur going aghs route, its taxing on ur mana and will limit how many viper strikes u can cast in a fight. especially if u have mek too. yasha is good and sny is the superior extension to that. manta has its uses for dispelling shit, but there is nothing inherently in viper's skillset that makes him good with manta. i also recommend replacing heart with skadi in extension, adding ac to situational, having sny as extension and manta as situational | ||
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