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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 19:43:49
July 22 2015 19:42 GMT
#3861
i mean furion has exactly 0 things that help his attack speed.
1.7 bat (dead standard)
1.9 agi gain (pretty shit although not half bad for an int hero admittedly)
etc.

Furion also doesn't have any particular burst physical damage to amplify with the -armor, which is a common theme on deso heroes (clinkz, lifestealer, bounty, TA, tusk, etc). The reason that he gets it is solely to hit towers as it's by far the most damage efficient item vs towers for almost any feasible combination of attack stats
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 19:50:26
July 22 2015 19:44 GMT
#3862
On July 23 2015 04:37 TheYango wrote:
His Agi growth isn't even 2+, that's not naturally decent AS.


1.9 is pretty decent.

I can make the corrections later tonight (QB on PA)

Also, I played the new Viper.

I can actually see the issue with Meka and mana. Though, it isn't as prevalent come mid to late-game.

I guess I need to relook at NP again, such a fluid hero.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 22 2015 20:01 GMT
#3863
qb is not just a "durr cant last hit" item, speeds up jungling, including cutting trees to make faster paths
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 22 2015 20:05 GMT
#3864
Most non-Agi carries, even those with 2+ Agi gain still buy a balanced damage/AS item (e.g Mael, Lothar, S&Y) or even a full AS item (AC, Mjoll) before ever considering a full damage item. For the most part their DPS stats end up heavily slanted toward having too much damage and not enough AS since they get so much more damage from prime stat on items/natural growth.

Furion isn't an exception to this.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 22 2015 22:30 GMT
#3865
On July 23 2015 05:01 ahswtini wrote:
qb is not just a "durr cant last hit" item, speeds up jungling, including cutting trees to make faster paths


yes im aware
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 22:01:30
July 23 2015 10:26 GMT
#3866
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
July 23 2015 21:58 GMT
#3867
for the PA build, you either need to label it "core - battlefury farm" (with a note that says, get this if youre snowballing or KNOW you can win late) or just remove the 1st core build and put BF in the situational section. remember, PA wants to come online early and hit lvl 16 ASAP with items that make her strong in a team fight. battlefury, like numerous members have said, delays that.

in addition, you should also put assault curiass in extension items for when the enemy cores get their MKBs up and running. i want to say skadi should be in there under situational also, but im not sure we want to get that crazy. i would also say that depending on your definition of "extension", bfly should probably be moved to situational as well.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 12:00:42
July 24 2015 11:46 GMT
#3868
Valve needs to fix the fucking guide system, it's such a piece of a shit of a hassle to do fucking anything, I can't fucking stand how fucking bullshit broken it is.

https://vid.me/I3NM

Flickering confirmation buttons and text boxes that can't be returned unless you refresh the page

On top of countless errors, broken guides:
[image loading]

Beastmaster still can't level his ult, so you can't publish a new guide since his ult will not be skilled
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 12:03:34
July 24 2015 12:01 GMT
#3869
Tons of bugs in the guides unfortunately:

* Can't add more than one tab unless you reload the build.
* Cloud system is really fucking slow, sometimes it bugs out (with it loading over 145 builds, it can take forever)
* Mismatched Hero Text limit (when you publish a build, you get a limited amount of text to write about the hero, you can override that via the Steam Community Page. Unfortunately all that text doesn't show up in-game, it just gets cut off)
* Tabs titles have no character limit (they just get cut off when you open the Quick Buy section in-game)
* Builds gets bugged out if you alter it immediately after playing a hero in-game or even during.
* Ratings through the in-game selection of hero builds doesn't always save immediately after clicking 'Ok'
* Trying to save your guide when no changes were made displays an error message (when it should just say it was saved anyways).
* Heroes that switch abilities (Lone Druid, Troll Warlord) lose their ability suggestion highlight in-game unless they switch back.
* Necromonicon 2-3 and Diffusal Blade 2 to items build selection.
* Ampersand symbol causes additional characters to be added unintentionally: "amp;amp;amp;amp;"

Some Suggestions:

* Add Recipe function so we can suggest people to buy the Soul Ring Recipe first instead
* Allow a Disassemble mention so people know to disassemble certain items (like Arcane Boots) when building Bloodstone or other items.
* Remove guides that haven't been updated since 2013. A lot of the top guides haven't been updated and can confuse users who aren't aware of when it was last updated **or** have it mentioned somewhere on which patch that build was last updated (currently, the only way to see when a build was last changed was to go to the Steam Community site; very few people go there)
* Allow an option to switch off Hero Build skills suggestion.
* Allow Hero Builds to be added as a 'Collection' similar to items in the workshop. There is actually an option to do it; but it doesn't work or anything
* Add an *arrow* or an *or* little text to differentiate which tabs players have a choice to buy OR if they should buy items in a specific order (not that big of a deal, but nonetheless)
* When players are rating Builds in-game, allow a small comment box for feedback (I don't know about others, but I read all comments and mentions)
* Allow lvl1-2-3 items to be put in the guides (Diffusal Blade lvl2/Dagon lvl2-3-4-5/Necromonicon lvl2-3)
* Add a small tab or button to press (maybe near the abilities) for users to switch Ability Builds in a Build. So essentially, if I want to two ways to play Slardar or Alchemist, I can input both forms of those item build orders in the game, but also associate ability builds as well)
* [Top-Rate Guide section](http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides/?searchText=&browsefilter=toprated&browsesort=creationorder&requiredtags%5B%5D=-1&requiredtags%5B%5D=Hero+Build) has both Hero Builds that can be found in-game and Hero Guides that are much more in-depth. Should separate the two.
* When playing a new hero for the first 5 times, Hero Builds suggestion should be highlighted; not only if you're an absolutely new player all-around.
* Yes, a tagging option would be awesome (Safe/Offlane/Mid/Jungle). Would be pretty cool it could ping or highlight on your minimap as well.
* Would be nice to be able to pick your Hero Builds as you picked your hero.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 24 2015 12:28 GMT
#3870
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=175090&p=1254971#post1254971

Bug report

[image loading]
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
July 24 2015 14:18 GMT
#3871
be careful what you wish for torte, i wouldn't want an inbox filled with comments on the builds coming from players of ALL levels. at least by posting here and reddit you have narrowed your audience down to a field of people that actually give a shit about the game instead of some schmuck who builds a lothar on every hero he plays no matter what.

one of the biggest features for me would be the ability to follow a guide and place a skill point elsewhere, but continue to follow the guide afterwards.

if i don't realize that i have a guide enabled and proceed on autopilot, sometimes i'll skip my ultimate at lvl 11 as a support and be stuck forever without a 2nd skill point there.

i'd also like to have a feature that turns off skill points and leaves up the item tab or vice versa. poor excuse, but sometimes i simply cannot find the item im looking for in a moment of panic, so having the tabs is incredibly useful to buy when you're being ganked.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 16:17:24
July 24 2015 16:16 GMT
#3872
On July 24 2015 23:18 BluemoonSC wrote:
be careful what you wish for torte, i wouldn't want an inbox filled with comments on the builds coming from players of ALL levels. at least by posting here and reddit you have narrowed your audience down to a field of people that actually give a shit about the game instead of some schmuck who builds a lothar on every hero he plays no matter what.

one of the biggest features for me would be the ability to follow a guide and place a skill point elsewhere, but continue to follow the guide afterwards.

if i don't realize that i have a guide enabled and proceed on autopilot, sometimes i'll skip my ultimate at lvl 11 as a support and be stuck forever without a 2nd skill point there.

i'd also like to have a feature that turns off skill points and leaves up the item tab or vice versa. poor excuse, but sometimes i simply cannot find the item im looking for in a moment of panic, so having the tabs is incredibly useful to buy when you're being ganked.


It's interesting you say that because someone added me on Skype and specifically told me he did not want to post in this topic or even discuss his suggestions. It sounds eerily similar to what you're saying where you do not want to discuss the ideas of some schmuck in-game. It's also an assumed arrogance that I despise.

I would rather sift through an inbox of bad feedback then have to chase for more feedback through self-advertising on Reddit. The publicity is good, but the influx of feedback is low. Public feedback and suggestion is even low (about a handful of you guys here, that's pretty much it).

The feedback, good or bad, reminds me of guides I may have missed or a hero I haven't tested as much as I should. So I'll take anything I can get.




I have that same problems with guides and going auto-pilot too actually :x

I agree.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-25 10:28:29
July 24 2015 22:33 GMT
#3873
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 22:44:13
July 24 2015 22:37 GMT
#3874
[image loading]

Every time, my god. I'm on the brink of insanity with the amount of errors, bugs and flaws this system persists for two years. Everyone's quit doing hero builds because their guides either got desynced and lost, hasn't figured out how to add more than one tab to a guide (hint: reload the guide after saving) or simply don't want to deal with a cloud server that loads 8 builds a page and can sometimes be unable to publish a build because of some random error.

So frustrating, really kills the drive.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
July 24 2015 23:22 GMT
#3875
You should consider emailing Valve/the Dota 2 team directly if you haven't already (I would wait until after TI, though)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 25 2015 10:00 GMT
#3876
On July 25 2015 08:22 tehh4ck3r wrote:
You should consider emailing Valve/the Dota 2 team directly if you haven't already (I would wait until after TI, though)


I quit after a few months of trying.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-25 12:38:57
July 25 2015 10:23 GMT
#3877
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 25 2015 10:27 GMT
#3878
When did they change the Aghs effect for Silencer?
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 25 2015 10:46 GMT
#3879
On July 25 2015 07:37 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

Every time, my god. I'm on the brink of insanity with the amount of errors, bugs and flaws this system persists for two years. Everyone's quit doing hero builds because their guides either got desynced and lost, hasn't figured out how to add more than one tab to a guide (hint: reload the guide after saving) or simply don't want to deal with a cloud server that loads 8 builds a page and can sometimes be unable to publish a build because of some random error.

So frustrating, really kills the drive.

make another big blog about it and put it on reddit
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 25 2015 10:52 GMT
#3880
On July 25 2015 19:46 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 07:37 Torte de Lini wrote:
[image loading]

Every time, my god. I'm on the brink of insanity with the amount of errors, bugs and flaws this system persists for two years. Everyone's quit doing hero builds because their guides either got desynced and lost, hasn't figured out how to add more than one tab to a guide (hint: reload the guide after saving) or simply don't want to deal with a cloud server that loads 8 builds a page and can sometimes be unable to publish a build because of some random error.

So frustrating, really kills the drive.

make another big blog about it and put it on reddit


I don't find these jokes funny.
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