In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 195

On July 27 2015 09:08 BluemoonSC wrote:
RE: QOP

Mjollnir should still be in there, under situational. Veil definitely should not be, especially since her ultimate is pure damage.

You also need to add skadi under "extension items" in addition to the other physical DPS items you have in there. Daedalus is another option, but idk if you want to add that to extension or situational.

i also want to remind you of the suggestions i made on the previous page for PA.

On July 27 2015 15:30 Velzi wrote:
im not entirely sure about pa core, bf shouldnt be core, situational mby. theres no mention about skadi either, its amazing on pa if u beed to tank up more than just bkb satanic.

i was thinking about medallion deso build too but i guess its too confusing so better leave it out i guess.

otherwise seems solid atleast the heroes im comfortable with.

On July 27 2015 16:37 Torte de Lini wrote:


I can add Skadi, just haven't seen it bought all that often, so I'll double-check.

Keeping BF as core for battlefury, still need to test the new alternative core though, maybe it'll take priority.

On July 27 2015 16:36 Torte de Lini wrote:


For QOP, been debating of adding a "Luxury Tab" for when she shifts towards damage auto-attack; but wasn't sure if it was entirely warranted as games don't seem to extend that far that 1 auto-attack item. We can move MKB to Situational and add a proper auto-attack.

I can add Mjollnir to Situational.

On July 27 2015 23:59 ahswtini wrote:
would possibly make the argument that halberd is even more useful than bfly on pa

On July 27 2015 23:46 BluemoonSC wrote:


the two builds are essentially identical, the difference is that one has a battlefury first and the other doesn't have a battlefury at all lol

if you're concerned about her farm speed, you could also consider a 4-4-1-2, which is the most common professional build at the moment. considering the popular heroes right now are QOP, lesh, gyro, the levels in blur aren't so great. i almost never max blur even if im not playing against any of the aforementioned because by leaving your phantom strike at level 1 for so long, you're slowing down your farm, even with a battlefury. that 5 second CD means you're getting it off multiple times in a fight and generates more crits because you're attacking more. her agility gain is pretty good and you're getting a HOTD so physical damage isn't a concern when you're not taking the points in blur.

the last thing that i mentioned which you never addressed was the assault cuirass. once a physical dps carry gets their mkb, PA needs to make sure she can withstand the hits she was evading previously. one way is with the skadi, which you added. the other way is with the assault cuirass, which not only gives her armor, but attack speed and decreases the armor of the enemies she's attacking..all of which are good for PA.

finally, butterfly is NOT an extension item, it is situational. the only time you would get this is if you're winning against carries that really don't want to get an MKB if at all possible (e.g. antimage or phantom lancer). other than that, the stats it gives are nice, but you could have gotten an AC to prepare for the MKB purchases and buff up your team/debuff their team.



yeah i would definitely add a luxury tab if i were you. eventually as the game goes late, the orchid won't be as important and you'll be selling it for another DPS item.

i also didn't see this yesterday, but i noticed that refresher is missing from situational as well. double ulti and double hex are great in some instances. the last situational item that i realized was missing is a shivas. if you need the armor and someone already has an AC you can pick one up (it also goes well with the refresher).

On July 27 2015 23:59 ahswtini wrote:
would possibly make the argument that halberd is even more useful than bfly on pa

On July 28 2015 09:47 TheYango wrote:
The hero basically hasn't changed. Boots->Blink->Agha or team items. All variations on that are game dependent.

I have no fucking clue why you ever put Moon Shard in situational, though.

On July 28 2015 12:11 Belisarius wrote:
Strongly support the non-BF PA build. Core should be phase/treads->HoD->BKB/basher.

If you must have Bfury it should be situational to a HoD core and marked for games where your team is doing well 4v5 and you can farm for the midgame. There is no point in an alternative core because HoD vs BF have the same function, one is just greedier and applies only when you're wishing you'd picked antimage.


To me, QoP's lategame is a case where an alternate progression might be appropriate.

She usually wants to make a choice in the late midgame to itemise as a caster (hex/shiva/octarine/refresh) or a rightclicker (MKB/deso/mjoll/etc), and those two progressions are somewhat seperate. She can and does switch between them if the gamestate requires it, but I don't think she draws from an aligned extension/luxury pool the way most other heroes do.

Rightclick QoP is not a luxury that caster QoP goes for in the lategame, it's a different progression that she selects when she's snowballing and her team needs sustained physical damage more than magical burst.

On July 28 2015 21:46 Torte de Lini wrote:


I feel that after awhile, no matter how much stronger you build your magic-damage progression, you will need to switch to right-click; especially with her maneuvrability and Aghs Ult. still takes a good chunk of your mana.

Cutting down QOP to Aghs/Orchid/Hex and then putting Luxury with Octarine/Skadi/Mjollnir + Boots of Travel sounds like a good "in-the-middle" guide.

On July 28 2015 21:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
i think he meant phantom strike



you need to go read the QOP thread if you don't wanna listen to the advice here

On July 28 2015 21:55 ahswtini wrote:
how many ppl have to tell u that bfury is not core before u will listen?? every dumbass pub pa that goes bfury first is on u now. how much time do u waste buying bfury first, which gives enemy supports more time to buy ghosts/forces/glimmers, and enemy cores more time to buy bkb/mkb

and how is maxing dagger a mana issue? theres actually no reason not to max dagger