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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 14 2015 22:42 GMT
#3801
the point is that on heroes who get lothars, the decision to upgrade is based on the game state, not on the hero itself. therefore imo debating which heroes shud have sangeblade is kinda pointless
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-14 22:45:33
July 14 2015 22:44 GMT
#3802
On July 15 2015 02:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:22 TheYango wrote:
Weaver depends whether you want to endorse 1-4-1-1 + Stats as standard.


1-4-1-1 then max E

If you're doing that, then the only item choice that complements it is Linken->Deso, but that's because 1-4-4-2 is basically a farm-oriented build.

4-4-1-2 and 1-4-1-1 + Stats are more fighting-focused and play more with the other item options. And those are probably better, but if you're going to stick to 1-4-4-2 and no Stats, then you're similarly going to just have to list the farming item choices that complement it.

On July 15 2015 07:42 ahswtini wrote:
the point is that on heroes who get lothars, the decision to upgrade is based on the game state, not on the hero itself. therefore imo debating which heroes shud have sangeblade is kinda pointless

This. The value of the Silver Edge upgrade is based far more heavily on how the game is going and who you're against than what hero you're playing.

Hell, there are some teamcomps that would call for heroes that otherwise don't get Silver to get one because Break is so good for them against those heroes.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
July 15 2015 01:36 GMT
#3803
On July 15 2015 07:42 ahswtini wrote:
the point is that on heroes who get lothars, the decision to upgrade is based on the game state, not on the hero itself. therefore imo debating which heroes shud have sangeblade is kinda pointless


ya you basically shortened my wall of text lol
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 15 2015 16:57 GMT
#3804
I'll take a look at Silver Edge after this stat update. It was mental note to take a better look at it in combination with the other suggestion that the core items have a lot of cost when not always necessarily needing it.

I'll do a final update before the stats tomorrow.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 21:43:44
July 15 2015 21:41 GMT
#3805
Medusa
New Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E Q Q Q Q R Stats R (1. Mystic Snake 2. Mana Shield 3. Split Shot)

Tinker
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Disabler Items
Added Bloodstone to "Luxury Items"
Removed Orchid of Malevolence

Centaur Warrunner
Added Force Staff to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Core Items
Moved Crimson Guard to Extension Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Removed Lotus Orb
Removed Hood of Defiance

Abaddon
Added Force Staff to Situational Items
Removed Enchanted Mango

Phoenix (Middle)
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Moved Hand of Midas to Early game

Bane
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items

Disruptor
New Skill Build: E W W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Glimpse 2. Kinetic Field 3. Thunder Strike)
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items

Magnus
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Force Staff to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Situational Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to before Arcane Boots
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Mask of Madness
Removed Daedalus

Enchantress
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items
Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Situational Items
Moved Orchid of Malevolence to Extension Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to before Power Treads
Removed Ghost Scepter
Removed Tab: "Core - Aghanim's"
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Ring of Basilius
Removed Shiva's Guard

Crystal Maiden
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items

Windranger (Middle)
Added Maelstrom to Core Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Skull Basher

Windranger (Lane)
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items

Earth Spirit (Lane)
Added Bottle to Situational Items

Tinker
Q W Q E E E E R W W W R Q Q R (1. March of the Machines 2. Heat-Seeking Missile 3. Laser)

IO
Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Glimmer Cape to Core Items
Moved Guardian Greaves to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Removed Mekansm

Pudge
Moved Glimmer Cape to Core Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items

Queen of Pain
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Mjollnir to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch 2x
Removed Dagon

Venomancer
Moved Guardian Greaves to Core Items

Spectre
Added Orb of Venom to Situational Items
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Removed Butterfly

Tusk
Added Power Treads to Core Items
moved Blink Dagger to before Power Treads
Removed Phase Boots

Weaver (Lane)
Weaver (Middle)
Moved Desolator to Core Items

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Pit Lord (Lane)

Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
Starting Items:
Early Game:
Core Items:
Utility Items:
Situational Items:
Extension Items:
Luxury Items:

Does he need a middle guide?


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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 15 2015 21:44 GMT
#3806
With that done, I'll be putting this in the appendix on the front page.

Stats are tomorrow.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 02:13:11
July 16 2015 02:11 GMT
#3807
IMO glimmer cape is more core on CM than a force staff

i also think that magnus should probably have lothar added to situational..sometimes helps set up that late game RP.

i also noticed in the same update you got rid of MoM and BF isn't situational. you can do some work with empower on a big RP in certain situations, but im not sure if that's too gimmicky.

in addition, whats up with the veno build..is that supposed to be a core guide or a support guide?
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 16 2015 08:56 GMT
#3808
On July 16 2015 11:11 BluemoonSC wrote:
IMO glimmer cape is more core on CM than a force staff

i also think that magnus should probably have lothar added to situational..sometimes helps set up that late game RP.

i also noticed in the same update you got rid of MoM and BF isn't situational. you can do some work with empower on a big RP in certain situations, but im not sure if that's too gimmicky.

in addition, whats up with the veno build..is that supposed to be a core guide or a support guide?


I think the Force Staff is still when I was hesitant to put Blink on Core. Glimmer could go Core, but it could go either way, no?

I just haven't seen it built any more and I felt there were a lot of options available for Magnus. Didn't want to set a precedent of something that's not really his main goal.

Veno is meant to be both.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 16:12:59
July 16 2015 10:24 GMT
#3809
After ~15 days (July 1st to July 16th), we have risen from 84,633,830 to 87,237,033 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,603,203
Average Growth of subscribers is 601,634.71
Growth Percentage is 3.08%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Brewmaster (Middle) (1,386)
  2. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (1,236)
  3. Warlock (Middle) (1,108)
  4. Windranger (Middle) (832)
  5. Alchemist (Middle) (680)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Sven
  3. Necrophos
  4. Juggernaut
  5. Phantom Lancer


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Riki (980,508 -> 1,007,358)
  • Bloodseeker (Jungle) (75,418 -> 113,811)


Newly Released Guides:




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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 16 2015 10:49 GMT
    #3810
    • Growth of Subscribers resumes back to 2 million area (will continue to drop)
    • Growth Rate Percentage at a steady 3.08%. A continue drop since patch 6.84

    • 13.33% of last month's unique players [11,240,314] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
    • 10.67% of last month's unique players [11,240,314] are subscribed to the Sven Guide
    • 10.22% of last month's unique players [11,240,314] are subscribed to the Necrophos Guide
    • 9.08% of last month's unique players [11,240,314] are subscribed to the Juggernaut
    • 9.07% of last month's unique players [11,240,314] are subscribed to the Nyx Assassin (Middle)

    • Riki recently hit the 1 million mark (1,007,358)
    • Six guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: Earthshaker (979,127), Mirana (974,941), Luna (967,255), Tiny (Lane) (958,705), Windranger (955,316), Faceless Void (951.289)

    • Top 21 guides are approx. 900k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million+ in a guide)
    • Top 36 guides are approx. 800k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 57 guides are approx. 700k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 73 guides are approx. 600k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 97 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 113 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 125 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 134 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 140 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
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    icystorage
    Profile Blog Joined November 2008
    Jollibee19350 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-16 10:57:47
    July 16 2015 10:54 GMT
    #3811
    in regards to np, I have to argue that 1/1/1 at level 3 is much better than 0/1/2. The potential to gank at level 3 (especially when youre up against a trilane thus can level up faster) but if youre jungling then 0/1/2 is fine but i dislike jungling np so much. id rather start with boots + tango + 1 ward (from support) in a trilane for maximum effectiveness while placing a ward at the jungle next to the lane.

    i also suggest that you change the sprout ability notes. clicking on the hero is much much much much better with 0 error on your part. as soon as the casting animation starts it will guarantee a sprout catch assuming he doesnt blink/fs.

    Core pusher with SB before book is better imo due to being much safer (my preference)
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 16 2015 11:01 GMT
    #3812
    I'll do further updates later this week. I am going to be offline for a small bit today for my birthday.
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    icystorage
    Profile Blog Joined November 2008
    Jollibee19350 Posts
    July 16 2015 11:03 GMT
    #3813
    advance happy birthday!
    LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
    TheYango
    Profile Joined September 2008
    United States47024 Posts
    July 16 2015 15:55 GMT
    #3814
    On July 16 2015 11:11 BluemoonSC wrote:
    IMO glimmer cape is more core on CM than a force staff

    Really anything after Tranquil+Urn+shitton of wards should be situational. There are games for Ghost first, Bracer stack, etc. None of the follow-ups to Tranq+Urn can be considered "core".

    On July 16 2015 11:11 BluemoonSC wrote:
    i also think that magnus should probably have lothar added to situational..sometimes helps set up that late game RP.

    i also noticed in the same update you got rid of MoM and BF isn't situational. you can do some work with empower on a big RP in certain situations, but im not sure if that's too gimmicky.

    Agree.
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    Sn0_Man
    Profile Blog Joined October 2012
    Tebellong44238 Posts
    July 16 2015 15:57 GMT
    #3815
    Note that CM already has issues casting all her spells in fights before you add a 130 mana cost item that gives 0 mana pool.
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    Howie_Dewitt
    Profile Joined March 2014
    United States1416 Posts
    July 16 2015 18:26 GMT
    #3816
    Happy birthday
    You made me not look like a giant dumbshit when randoming
    I mean I still sucked but not for my itemization and skilling XD
    Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
    BluemoonSC
    Profile Blog Joined November 2010
    SoCal8933 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-16 18:29:18
    July 16 2015 18:29 GMT
    #3817
    On July 17 2015 00:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
    Note that CM already has issues casting all her spells in fights before you add a 130 mana cost item that gives 0 mana pool.


    ah yeah that's a very good point

    oh and happy birthday torte de weenie
    LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 17 2015 09:45 GMT
    #3818
    On July 16 2015 20:03 icystorage wrote:
    advance happy birthday!


    Thank you very much

    On July 17 2015 03:26 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
    Happy birthday
    You made me not look like a giant dumbshit when randoming
    I mean I still sucked but not for my itemization and skilling XD


    Thank you, as you can see; everyone here is helping us not look completely dumb.

    On July 17 2015 03:29 BluemoonSC wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 17 2015 00:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
    Note that CM already has issues casting all her spells in fights before you add a 130 mana cost item that gives 0 mana pool.


    ah yeah that's a very good point

    oh and happy birthday torte de weenie


    Thank you very much
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-17 09:49:34
    July 17 2015 09:47 GMT
    #3819
    Might have to update this builds:

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129072324

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=334021836

    Mid still goes Aghs/Refresher
    Lane goes Meka/Force Staff

    Feels like the standard is gearing towards Atos, Shadow Blade
    Mid still Aghanim's though

    Also, they max W before Q, how peculiar.

    On July 16 2015 19:54 icystorage wrote:
    in regards to np, I have to argue that 1/1/1 at level 3 is much better than 0/1/2. The potential to gank at level 3 (especially when youre up against a trilane thus can level up faster) but if youre jungling then 0/1/2 is fine but i dislike jungling np so much. id rather start with boots + tango + 1 ward (from support) in a trilane for maximum effectiveness while placing a ward at the jungle next to the lane.

    i also suggest that you change the sprout ability notes. clicking on the hero is much much much much better with 0 error on your part. as soon as the casting animation starts it will guarantee a sprout catch assuming he doesnt blink/fs.

    Core pusher with SB before book is better imo due to being much safer (my preference)


    Let me do this today
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 17 2015 11:35 GMT
    #3820
    + Show Spoiler [Pit Lord] +
    Draft Guide
    Pit Lord (Lane)

    Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. )
    Starting Items:
    Early Game:
    Core Items:
    Utility Items:
    Situational Items:
    Extension Items:
    Luxury Items:

    Does he need a middle guide?


    To do
    Nature's Prophet
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