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ahswtini
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TheYango
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If you're doing that, then the only item choice that complements it is Linken->Deso, but that's because 1-4-4-2 is basically a farm-oriented build. 4-4-1-2 and 1-4-1-1 + Stats are more fighting-focused and play more with the other item options. And those are probably better, but if you're going to stick to 1-4-4-2 and no Stats, then you're similarly going to just have to list the farming item choices that complement it. On July 15 2015 07:42 ahswtini wrote: the point is that on heroes who get lothars, the decision to upgrade is based on the game state, not on the hero itself. therefore imo debating which heroes shud have sangeblade is kinda pointless This. The value of the Silver Edge upgrade is based far more heavily on how the game is going and who you're against than what hero you're playing. Hell, there are some teamcomps that would call for heroes that otherwise don't get Silver to get one because Break is so good for them against those heroes. | ||
BluemoonSC
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On July 15 2015 07:42 ahswtini wrote: the point is that on heroes who get lothars, the decision to upgrade is based on the game state, not on the hero itself. therefore imo debating which heroes shud have sangeblade is kinda pointless ya you basically shortened my wall of text lol | ||
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I'll do a final update before the stats tomorrow. | ||
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 MedusaNew Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E Q Q Q Q R Stats R (1. Mystic Snake 2. Mana Shield 3. Split Shot)  TinkerCreated New Tab: "Luxury Items" Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Disabler Items Added Bloodstone to "Luxury Items" Removed Orchid of Malevolence Centaur Warrunner Added Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Core Items Moved Crimson Guard to Extension Items Removed Shiva's Guard Removed Lotus Orb Removed Hood of Defiance Abaddon Added Force Staff to Situational Items Removed Enchanted Mango Phoenix (Middle) Created New Tab: "Early Game" Moved Hand of Midas to Early game  BaneAdded Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Core Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items  DisruptorNew Skill Build: E W W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Glimpse 2. Kinetic Field 3. Thunder Strike) Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items  MagnusAdded Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items Added Force Staff to Core Items Added Mekansm to Situational Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Assault Cuirass to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to before Arcane Boots Removed Healing Salve Removed Mask of Madness Removed Daedalus  EnchantressAdded Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Added Moon Shard to Extension Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Orchid of Malevolence to Extension Items Moved Urn of Shadows to before Power Treads Removed Ghost Scepter Removed Tab: "Core - Aghanim's" Removed Ring of Protection Removed Ring of Basilius Removed Shiva's Guard Crystal Maiden Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Windranger (Middle) Added Maelstrom to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items Removed Skull Basher Windranger (Lane) Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Earth Spirit (Lane) Added Bottle to Situational Items TinkerQ W Q E E E E R W W W R Q Q R (1. March of the Machines 2. Heat-Seeking Missile 3. Laser)  IOAdded Shiva's Guard to Extension Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Core Items Moved Guardian Greaves to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items Removed Mekansm  Pudge Moved Glimmer Cape to Core Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Queen of Pain Added Null Talisman to Starting Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Added Mjollnir to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch 2x Removed Dagon  VenomancerMoved Guardian Greaves to Core Items  SpectreAdded Orb of Venom to Situational Items Added Blade Mail to Situational Items Removed Butterfly  TuskAdded Power Treads to Core Items moved Blink Dagger to before Power Treads Removed Phase Boots  Weaver (Lane) Weaver (Middle)Moved Desolator to Core Items + Show Spoiler [Pit Lord] + Draft Guide Pit Lord (Lane) Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. ) Starting Items: Early Game: Core Items: Utility Items: Situational Items: Extension Items: Luxury Items: Does he need a middle guide? To double-check Nature's Prophet | ||
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Stats are tomorrow. | ||
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i also think that magnus should probably have lothar added to situational..sometimes helps set up that late game RP. i also noticed in the same update you got rid of MoM and BF isn't situational. you can do some work with empower on a big RP in certain situations, but im not sure if that's too gimmicky. in addition, whats up with the veno build..is that supposed to be a core guide or a support guide? | ||
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On July 16 2015 11:11 BluemoonSC wrote: IMO glimmer cape is more core on CM than a force staff i also think that magnus should probably have lothar added to situational..sometimes helps set up that late game RP. i also noticed in the same update you got rid of MoM and BF isn't situational. you can do some work with empower on a big RP in certain situations, but im not sure if that's too gimmicky. in addition, whats up with the veno build..is that supposed to be a core guide or a support guide? I think the Force Staff is still when I was hesitant to put Blink on Core. Glimmer could go Core, but it could go either way, no? I just haven't seen it built any more and I felt there were a lot of options available for Magnus. Didn't want to set a precedent of something that's not really his main goal. Veno is meant to be both. | ||
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icystorage
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i also suggest that you change the sprout ability notes. clicking on the hero is much much much much better with 0 error on your part. as soon as the casting animation starts it will guarantee a sprout catch assuming he doesnt blink/fs. Core pusher with SB before book is better imo due to being much safer (my preference) | ||
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TheYango
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On July 16 2015 11:11 BluemoonSC wrote: IMO glimmer cape is more core on CM than a force staff Really anything after Tranquil+Urn+shitton of wards should be situational. There are games for Ghost first, Bracer stack, etc. None of the follow-ups to Tranq+Urn can be considered "core". On July 16 2015 11:11 BluemoonSC wrote: i also think that magnus should probably have lothar added to situational..sometimes helps set up that late game RP. i also noticed in the same update you got rid of MoM and BF isn't situational. you can do some work with empower on a big RP in certain situations, but im not sure if that's too gimmicky. Agree. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
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You made me not look like a giant dumbshit when randoming I mean I still sucked but not for my itemization and skilling XD | ||
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BluemoonSC
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On July 17 2015 00:57 Sn0_Man wrote: Note that CM already has issues casting all her spells in fights before you add a 130 mana cost item that gives 0 mana pool. ah yeah that's a very good point oh and happy birthday torte de weenie | ||
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On July 16 2015 20:03 icystorage wrote: advance happy birthday! Thank you very much On July 17 2015 03:26 Howie_Dewitt wrote: Happy birthday You made me not look like a giant dumbshit when randoming I mean I still sucked but not for my itemization and skilling XD Thank you, as you can see; everyone here is helping us not look completely dumb. On July 17 2015 03:29 BluemoonSC wrote: ah yeah that's a very good point oh and happy birthday torte de weenie Thank you very much | ||
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 builds:http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129072324 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=334021836 Mid still goes Aghs/Refresher Lane goes Meka/Force Staff Feels like the standard is gearing towards Atos, Shadow Blade Mid still Aghanim's though Also, they max W before Q, how peculiar. On July 16 2015 19:54 icystorage wrote: in regards to np, I have to argue that 1/1/1 at level 3 is much better than 0/1/2. The potential to gank at level 3 (especially when youre up against a trilane thus can level up faster) but if youre jungling then 0/1/2 is fine but i dislike jungling np so much. id rather start with boots + tango + 1 ward (from support) in a trilane for maximum effectiveness while placing a ward at the jungle next to the lane. i also suggest that you change the sprout ability notes. clicking on the hero is much much much much better with 0 error on your part. as soon as the casting animation starts it will guarantee a sprout catch assuming he doesnt blink/fs. Core pusher with SB before book is better imo due to being much safer (my preference) Let me do this today | ||
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Draft Guide Pit Lord (Lane) Skill Build: (1. 2. 3. ) Starting Items: Early Game: Core Items: Utility Items: Situational Items: Extension Items: Luxury Items: Does he need a middle guide? To do Nature's Prophet Should we do a Nature's Prophet - Offlane? Silencer (Lane) Silencer (Middle) Make a non-Battlefury build | ||
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