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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 01 2015 09:27 GMT
#3741
Bounty Hunter
New Skill Build: E W Q Q Q R Q E E W R W W R (1. Shuriken Toss 2. Jindada 3. Shadow Walk)
Added Orb of Venom to Core - Roam
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core - Roam
Removed Boots of Speed

Phantom Lancer
Added Daedalus to Luxury Items
Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Eye of Skadi to Extension Items

Terrorblade
Added Sange and Yasha to Situational Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Created New Tab: Luxury Items
Moved Butterfly to "Luxury Items"
Moved Daedalus to "Luxury Items"
Removed Yasha

Nyx Assassin (Middle)
Nyx Assassin (Lane)
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Added Force Staff to Situational Items

Tusk
Removed Bottle (situational)

Bloodseeker (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rage 3. Blood Rite)
Added Orb of Venom to Early Game
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Core Items
Removed Phase Boots

Bloodseeker (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q Q W R W W W (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rage 3. Blood Rite)
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Core Items
Removed Phase Boots

Bloodseeker (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rage 3. Blood Rite)
Added Power Treads to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Core Items
Removed Phase Boots

Broodmother
Added Hand of Midas to Early Game
Added Radiance to Situational Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Moved Necromonicon to Core Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items
Moved Orchid of Malevolence to Situational Items
Moved Skull Basher to Situational Items
Removed Manta Style
Removed Power Treads
Removed Daedalus

Winter Wyvern
Added Glimmer Cape to Core Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Removed Refresher's Orb
Removed Eye of Skadi
Removed Boots of Travel
Removed Mekansm
Removed Arcane Boots

Medusa
New Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E Q R Q Q Q R (1. Mystic Snake 2. Mana Shield 3. Split Shot)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Moved Eye of Skadi to Core Items
Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Moved Satanic to Extension Items

Lycan (Lane)
New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W (1. Summon Wolves 2. Feral Impulse 3. Howl)
Added Quelling Blade to Early Game
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Core Items

Morphling
Added Monkey King Bar to Situational Items
Moved Ethereal Blade to Core Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items

Slark (Lane)
New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Dark Pact 2. Pounce 3. Essence Shift)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game

Slark (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Dark Pact 2. Pounce 3. Essence Shift)

Omniknight
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items

Tinker
New Skill Build: Q W W E E E E R W W Q R Q Q R (1. March of the Machines 2. Heat-Seeking Missiles 3. Laser)
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Removed Tangos
Removed Iron Branch x2

Mirana
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Moved Mjollnir to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Moved Desolator to Extension Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
Removed Glimmer Cape
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-01 10:28:55
July 01 2015 10:16 GMT
#3742
After ~15 days (June 16th to July 1st), we have risen from 81,916,584 to 84,633,830 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,717,246
Average Growth of subscribers is 583681.59
Growth Percentage is 3.32%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Brewmaster (Middle) (1,302)
  2. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (1,198)
  3. Warlock (Middle) (1,057)
  4. Windranger (Middle) (767)
  5. Alchemist (Middle) (459)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Sven
  3. Necrophos
  4. Juggernaut
  5. Phantom Lancer


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Invoker (259,941 -> 292,758)
  • Leshrac (Middle) (123,225 -> 186,852)
  • Lina (Middle) (109,593 -> 145,848)


Newly Released Guides:




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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-16 10:31:26
    July 01 2015 10:17 GMT
    #3743
    • Growth of Subscribers resumes back to 2 million area (will continue to drop)
    • Growth Rate Percentage at a steady 3.32%. Should drop again another .5% every 15 days.

    • 13.24% of last month's unique players [11,160,551] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
    • 10.50% of last month's unique players [11,160,551] are subscribed to the Sven Guide
    • 10.10% of last month's unique players [11,160,551] are subscribed to the Necrophos Guide
    • 9.90% of last month's unique players [11,160,551] are subscribed to the Juggernaut

    • Sand King recently hit the 1 million mark (1,033,62)
    • Nyx Assassin (Middle) recently hit the 1 million mark (1,009,679)
    • Three guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: Riki (980,508), Earthshaker (953,978), Mirana (951,764)

    • Top 21 guides are approx. 900k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million+ in a guide)
    • Top 36 guides are approx. 800k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 57 guides are approx. 700k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 73 guides are approx. 600k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 97 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 113 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 125 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 134 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 140 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-01 10:37:41
    July 01 2015 10:27 GMT
    #3744
    Also, I'm being let go along with the project here at Aller Media. So I'll be frantically looking for a new job. In the meantime, I think I can be a bit more perserverant in testing some guides and improving my play.

    I'm expecting growth to drop to 2 million by the end of The International with growth rate probably at its lowest of 2.50%. I think we're about to hit a ceiling of new guide users in the coming end of the year.
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    Velzi
    Profile Joined June 2012
    Finland659 Posts
    July 01 2015 13:49 GMT
    #3745
    anyone else think medusa could use earlier point or two in split shot , like lvls 8-9 to split? Havent made the math how much extra lvls in e increases ur survivability but extra points in q speeds up ur jungle vs. camps without mana a lot. (especially stacked ones).

    To clarify, Sometimes i go W E W E W R W Q Q E E Q Q R + R + +.

    And just realized i skip lvl 2-3 ulti for more split too, is that fine or is ulti scaling good enough to take it whenever u can?
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 01 2015 15:22 GMT
    #3746
    On July 01 2015 22:49 Velzi wrote:
    anyone else think medusa could use earlier point or two in split shot , like lvls 8-9 to split? Havent made the math how much extra lvls in e increases ur survivability but extra points in q speeds up ur jungle vs. camps without mana a lot. (especially stacked ones).

    To clarify, Sometimes i go W E W E W R W Q Q E E Q Q R + R + +.

    And just realized i skip lvl 2-3 ulti for more split too, is that fine or is ulti scaling good enough to take it whenever u can?


    I think that was the earlier build, where it was two in W/E and then max Q with points in R 6/11.

    I also liked the Medusa build where you just max stats and E.
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    Belisarius
    Profile Joined November 2010
    Australia6233 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-02 07:46:02
    July 02 2015 06:10 GMT
    #3747
    Medusa's first 20 minutes is super situational no matter how you look at it. Ideally if you're going W/E you would stop levelling E once you felt you had enough to survive getting jumped on, and switch to Q for faster farming... but it's impossible to communicate that in a guide.

    The current W>E>Q is alright as a cookie-cutter, imo. It's probably safer and if you have max snake you flashfarm camps okay anyway.

    I do agree the lv2 ult could be left to 14. An extra 10% physical in the earlygame is nothing and you're usually using your ult to gtfo anyway.

    I don't like statsdusa for pubs. W is such a strong laning spell, and you're almost never going to be uncontested in a low level pub.
    ahswtini
    Profile Blog Joined June 2008
    Northern Ireland22213 Posts
    July 02 2015 08:11 GMT
    #3748
    levelling snake is easily cookie cutter, and even if you end up not really laning against someone it's still a decent farming spell.
    "As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
    Merany
    Profile Blog Joined February 2011
    France890 Posts
    July 02 2015 10:38 GMT
    #3749
    A friend of mine picked a jungle Enigma yesterday and used your build.
    At some point, I noticed he had Power Treads and it seemed really weird to me.
    I don't really see how stats and att. speed helps the hero and it seems to me that, if you're going to rush mek, mana boots into Guardian Greaves is a much better choice.
    What's your reasoning behind it?

    Also, I think I've already posted in this thread to say how awesome your guides are but I'll say it again, thanks a lot man
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-02 11:29:01
    July 02 2015 10:52 GMT
    #3750
    On July 02 2015 17:11 ahswtini wrote:
    levelling snake is easily cookie cutter, and even if you end up not really laning against someone it's still a decent farming spell.


    On July 02 2015 15:10 Belisarius wrote:
    Medusa's first 20 minutes is super situational no matter how you look at it. Ideally if you're going W/E you would stop levelling E once you felt you had enough to survive getting jumped on, and switch to Q for faster farming... but it's impossible to communicate that in a guide.

    The current W>E>Q is alright as a cookie-cutter, imo. It's probably safer and if you have max snake you flashfarm camps okay anyway.

    I do agree the lv2 ult could be left to 14. An extra 10% physical in the earlygame is nothing and you're usually using your ult to gtfo anyway.

    I don't like statsdusa for pubs. W is such a strong laning spell, and you're almost never going to be uncontested in a low level pub.



    I'll just keep it as is with the adjustment of his ult.

    On July 02 2015 19:38 Merany wrote:
    A friend of mine picked a jungle Enigma yesterday and used your build.
    At some point, I noticed he had Power Treads and it seemed really weird to me.
    I don't really see how stats and att. speed helps the hero and it seems to me that, if you're going to rush mek, mana boots into Guardian Greaves is a much better choice.
    What's your reasoning behind it?

    Also, I think I've already posted in this thread to say how awesome your guides are but I'll say it again, thanks a lot man


    It should be Tranquil Boots. I think it's an older build that's been overlooked for 3 months. At ESL One, they went Power Treads for Enigma perhaps for the survivability overall.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-04 10:29:23
    July 02 2015 11:28 GMT
    #3751
    ed
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    Nevuk
    Profile Blog Joined March 2009
    United States16280 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-02 22:50:36
    July 02 2015 22:48 GMT
    #3752
    Just played a game as WR... one main question-
    Why does WR still start with 3 branches? Building more than 2 seems silly now that 2+circlet build into a wand. Not sure if it's a holdover that's present in other guides or just some WR specific thing.

    (Sidenote - now that her ult has been buffed so much should it be moved to 6 as common? Well the buffs and shackle getting ninja nerfs to its angle etc. in the form of bug fixes. WR is probably the most un-noted nerfed via bug fixes hero in dota 2)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-07-03 06:48:39
    July 03 2015 06:48 GMT
    #3753
    ed.
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    TheYango
    Profile Joined September 2008
    United States47024 Posts
    July 03 2015 17:33 GMT
    #3754
    Starting with an extra branch to fill slots is fine. The 25 gold lost from selling it later is inconsequential compared to the incremental benefit +1 all stats can give you.

    It's really personal preference.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 03 2015 19:55 GMT
    #3755
    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128735861 -- Centaur needs an update? I'm seeing a lot of Force Staff or Vanguard/Crimson Guard after Blink.
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    TheYango
    Profile Joined September 2008
    United States47024 Posts
    July 03 2015 20:05 GMT
    #3756
    Force Staff should already be under Situational, and Hood shouldn't be core.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 03 2015 20:08 GMT
    #3757
    I want to remove some items from both camps (extension and situational)

    Add Force to Situational
    Move BKB to Extension
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    BoZiffer
    Profile Joined November 2011
    United States1841 Posts
    July 03 2015 21:28 GMT
    #3758
    Question about the Slark build - wouldn't it be more optimal buy a RoP at the start then grab a quelling in lane to help with last hitting. You'll want the basi anyway and it will give slark some needed armor at the start when he's weakest. Not speaking from a position of knowledge here, just musing...
    ahswtini
    Profile Blog Joined June 2008
    Northern Ireland22213 Posts
    July 03 2015 21:38 GMT
    #3759
    On July 04 2015 06:28 BoZiffer wrote:
    Question about the Slark build - wouldn't it be more optimal buy a RoP at the start then grab a quelling in lane to help with last hitting. You'll want the basi anyway and it will give slark some needed armor at the start when he's weakest. Not speaking from a position of knowledge here, just musing...

    not rly, u wont be needing the rop until after treads quelling and wraith band, as thats the order in which u usually get those items.
    "As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
    TheYango
    Profile Joined September 2008
    United States47024 Posts
    July 03 2015 23:58 GMT
    #3760
    On July 04 2015 06:28 BoZiffer wrote:
    You'll want the basi anyway and it will give slark some needed armor at the start when he's weakest.

    That's also the time when Stout is strongest.
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