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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 25 2015 17:23 GMT
#3701
I dont mind putting it in situational.

Like you gotta remember that when you say something is core players interpret that as "I must get this item no matter what" so you're gonna get some shitty players that go for 10-15 minute midases ruining your pub experience.


this is correct.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 21:53:46
June 26 2015 10:33 GMT
#3702
ed
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 12:16:26
June 26 2015 10:35 GMT
#3703
On June 25 2015 02:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
gotta redo medusa too
lycan lane too

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 13:15:16
June 26 2015 12:50 GMT
#3704
Need a bit of help figuring out Medusa; not really played competitively and most top players are not consistent.
Medusa is same where Linken's teeters on situational or Core
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 13:41:15
June 26 2015 13:40 GMT
#3705
as long as its not the first core item in the list, i dont care

E: i guess aquila treads/phase yasha skadi is a good start atleast
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 13:42:50
June 26 2015 13:42 GMT
#3706
linkens is definitely situational, there's a bunch of strat forum posters who would hate you forever if you put it in core

i'd make medusa's core phase, wand, aquila, skadi, extension bfly, situational rapier/daedalus/mkb/bkb

you could probably get a big argument going over yasha vs mom as the earlygame farming item (i'm personally an advocate of mom). certain people would definitely hate you if you put manta in anywhere other than situational, because it's so terrible for any reason other than the dispel
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 26 2015 14:17 GMT
#3707
On June 26 2015 22:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
certain people would definitely hate you if you put manta in anywhere other than situational, because it's so terrible for any reason other than the dispel

It's actually more useful for sieging high ground than for the dispel.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 26 2015 14:27 GMT
#3708
On June 26 2015 22:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
linkens is definitely situational, there's a bunch of strat forum posters who would hate you forever if you put it in core

i'd make medusa's core phase, wand, aquila, skadi, extension bfly, situational rapier/daedalus/mkb/bkb

you could probably get a big argument going over yasha vs mom as the earlygame farming item (i'm personally an advocate of mom). certain people would definitely hate you if you put manta in anywhere other than situational, because it's so terrible for any reason other than the dispel


even if you got it for the dispel people will hate you

source: i got it for the dispel in a TLIH and never heard the end of it despite it being good in that game

i haven't personally tried a MoM build but i have heard good things. but actually don't know how to build her in this patch so i wouldn't know how to transition out
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
June 26 2015 14:38 GMT
#3709
On June 26 2015 22:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
linkens is definitely situational, there's a bunch of strat forum posters who would hate you forever if you put it in core

i'd make medusa's core phase, wand, aquila, skadi, extension bfly, situational rapier/daedalus/mkb/bkb

you could probably get a big argument going over yasha vs mom as the earlygame farming item (i'm personally an advocate of mom). certain people would definitely hate you if you put manta in anywhere other than situational, because it's so terrible for any reason other than the dispel

If u take i account for whom this guide is intented to, i would put yasha over mom anytime.

as a medusa, u are going to stay in ur safelane+jungle for the first 20min atleast, why would u go wand (even if it makes u slightly tankier), i dont get it? Well, ofc u can buy it vs bb or something, otherwise it just delays ur farming items / overall item timing.

phase treads is another big argument, someone else who has tried both enough should list pros and cons for both.

Agree with the manta, shouldnt be core, situational is fine.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
June 26 2015 14:43 GMT
#3710
i get wand precisely because i don't like farming for 20 minutes straight; i like to join tower defenses early on.

i don't think mom is particularly hard to use; the only damage that's amped is the damage that's not blocked by mana shield, and you usually won't die because of it...
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 26 2015 14:44 GMT
#3711
On June 26 2015 23:38 Velzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 22:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
linkens is definitely situational, there's a bunch of strat forum posters who would hate you forever if you put it in core

i'd make medusa's core phase, wand, aquila, skadi, extension bfly, situational rapier/daedalus/mkb/bkb

you could probably get a big argument going over yasha vs mom as the earlygame farming item (i'm personally an advocate of mom). certain people would definitely hate you if you put manta in anywhere other than situational, because it's so terrible for any reason other than the dispel

If u take i account for whom this guide is intented to, i would put yasha over mom anytime.

as a medusa, u are going to stay in ur safelane+jungle for the first 20min atleast, why would u go wand (even if it makes u slightly tankier), i dont get it? Well, ofc u can buy it vs bb or something, otherwise it just delays ur farming items / overall item timing.

phase treads is another big argument, someone else who has tried both enough should list pros and cons for both.

Agree with the manta, shouldnt be core, situational is fine.


in a vacuum i'd agree with the wand thing but you're not gonna go unmolested for 20 full minutes. 17 wand charges is a big deal with mana shield.
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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 20:55:41
June 26 2015 20:50 GMT
#3712
Medusa 100% needs bkb in situational there will be games if you don't get it you become useless as hell
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 26 2015 21:53 GMT
#3713
Added BKB to Situational.
Moved Manta to Extension
Moved Linken's to Situational
Moved Eye of Skadi to Core
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 09:54:59
June 26 2015 21:53 GMT
#3714
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 27 2015 12:33 GMT
#3715
Will have to start drafting Pit Lord soon.
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Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
June 29 2015 14:08 GMT
#3716
On June 27 2015 06:53 Torte de Lini wrote:

Morphling
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Ethereal Blade to Core Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items


I don't really agree with adding Blink Dagger to situational items. It's rarely bought on morph and not really recommended in almost every game. If you add Blink Dagger to situational items on morph, you pretty much have to add Blink Dagger to every hero
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 29 2015 14:43 GMT
#3717
On June 29 2015 23:08 Vallelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 06:53 Torte de Lini wrote:

Morphling
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Ethereal Blade to Core Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items


I don't really agree with adding Blink Dagger to situational items. It's rarely bought on morph and not really recommended in almost every game. If you add Blink Dagger to situational items on morph, you pretty much have to add Blink Dagger to every hero

the blink dagger is for the support morph builds for that long range long duration stun. the problem is that there are no separate guides for core and support morph.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 29 2015 15:17 GMT
#3718
I won't be advocating for support Morphling.

Any other item suggestions for Morphling? I'll remove the Blink Dagger.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 29 2015 15:25 GMT
#3719
then u shud probably remove aghs too, i cant see why a core morph would want it.

i think bottle is definitely worth getting. moonshards is a natural luxury/extension.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 16:04:30
June 29 2015 16:03 GMT
#3720
There are times I think all these guides need a YOLO/FORLOLZ section. I think aghs morph fits right in there. But clearly that would be a ton of work for a pretty silly joke.
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