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Blink morph was a lot stronger before the adaptive nerf. I took that nerf as confirmation that support morph is riot unapproved. Agree that aghs doesn't make sense on core morph.
Bottle might be a bit confusing on a lane guide. It's great if you're efficient, but I'm not convinced torte's demographic will get enough out of it considering how quickly morph fills slots. I also think the hero wants MKB in situational, just like everyone else, and BoTs should be in extension. Replicate allows him to use them better than most heroes.
Medusa is one of the hardest heroes to build in these guides, imo. I think RoA yasha skadi is about as good as you're going to get, although I'm not sold on lotus. Could use more rapier as well; she's about the only hero who can consider getting it in a non-desperate situation.
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Core mirana looks still decent to me, there are some hipster variations like Diffu/Vlads/Deso on her, but I think your guide is still fine
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
why would u get maelstrom on visage, am i missing something
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On June 30 2015 17:13 ahswtini wrote:
why would u get maelstrom on visage, am i missing something
Saw it in a few of my games and such. Thought it was cool: chain lightning is more damage, causing your W to have the highest damage faster.
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Back in October, I took a sample of my highest guides to see what % we took from the total subscription user base. I did it again today even though most of these guides are no longer the highest.
Still a staggering jump from 34 to 73%.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
somehow i think in a teamfight, your limiting factor for soul assumption is cooldown, not the charges. i also see ppl build maelstrom on aa, synergises well with vortex pls put that in aa guide
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as soon as I put it on Pugna.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
slark: not sure why u have wraithband there for early game, ppl might get confused and buy that as well as an aquila
also essence shift is normally taken 2nd (w e q q q) as it's a really strong valuepoint and better than lvl 1 pact
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On June 30 2015 19:38 ahswtini wrote:
slark: not sure why u have wraithband there for early game, ppl might get confused and buy that as well as an aquila
also essence shift is normally taken 2nd (w e q q q) as it's a really strong valuepoint and better than lvl 1 pact
I'll fix the skill build.
I'm not sure people will buy both the wraith band and then another one for Aquila; it's purely to prioritize what to buy first (wraith band for last hitting)
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
also in the shadow dance description, you talk about 'regenerating items' which i assume is hp. u shud also mention that the passive is rly good for revealing enemy ward spots, and also for knowing when enemies have detection if you get close to them in shadowblade and ur passive turns off
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On June 30 2015 18:56 Torte de Lini wrote: MiranaMoved Mjollnir to Situational Items Moved Desolator to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items
I don't like solar crest or glimmer on mirana, if that's supposed to be a core guide. I mean they're both nice to have on a team but neither has any particular synergy with mirana herself. Most of mirana's damage is magical for the phase where you might consider medallion to build momentum, and glimmer has a crippling manacost and double-dips on your ult anyway.
If your team is relying on a mirana for physical dps she needs to put all the gold she can get into her rightclicks to stay relevant, imo
I think diffusal is worth putting in situational. Personally I'd move BKB to situational as well, and consider butterfly/crit for extension if it gets to that stage. Deso description still mentions being in situational.
On June 30 2015 18:56 Torte de Lini wrote: SlarkAdded Wraith Band to Early Game
On slark, you've probably had this discussion previously but his core has a ton of gold in it. As a reader, I see a guide like that and I think my hero comes online at 12k networth and then beelines lategame items, which isn't slark at all.
Personally I would simply put treads+SB+(basher?) in core and move sedge and skadi to extension. I've also personally never built satanic on him, mostly because I always end up with at least one of BKB/MKB/sny and don't have the slots.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
o yeah put refresher in situational, having double shadow dance and abyssal is really really good and is a solid replacement for satanic. in fact i think refresher is more common than satanic. i dont think basher is "core", i would far rather see treads drums shadowblade skadi core, then sedge abyssal bfly extension.
i dont see core as "you should farm these items before u come online" rather i see core as "you buy these items 99% of the time"
edit: and obligatory moonshards
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That's probably fair, although I do think most people would work through the core before considering anything from extension, and sometimes you do need basher earlier.
I think the main one that bothers me is all these boots sedge guys. Sometimes it's needed to gank their cores or if you're snowballing really hard, but usually it's an upgrade you get later on.
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Stats coming, let me update the guides now with your feedback
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On June 30 2015 19:48 ahswtini wrote:
also in the shadow dance description, you talk about 'regenerating items' which i assume is hp. u shud also mention that the passive is rly good for revealing enemy ward spots, and also for knowing when enemies have detection if you get close to them in shadowblade and ur passive turns off
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On June 30 2015 19:38 ahswtini wrote:
slark: not sure why u have wraithband there for early game, ppl might get confused and buy that as well as an aquila
also essence shift is normally taken 2nd (w e q q q) as it's a really strong valuepoint and better than lvl 1 pact
fixed the build
On June 30 2015 20:12 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 18:56 Torte de Lini wrote: MiranaMoved Mjollnir to Situational Items Moved Desolator to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items I don't like solar crest or glimmer on mirana, if that's supposed to be a core guide. I mean they're both nice to have on a team but neither has any particular synergy with mirana herself. Most of mirana's damage is magical for the phase where you might consider medallion to build momentum, and glimmer has a crippling manacost and double-dips on your ult anyway. If your team is relying on a mirana for physical dps she needs to put all the gold she can get into her rightclicks to stay relevant, imo I think diffusal is worth putting in situational. Personally I'd move BKB to situational as well, and consider butterfly/crit for extension if it gets to that stage. Deso description still mentions being in situational. On slark, you've probably had this discussion previously but his core has a ton of gold in it. As a reader, I see a guide like that and I think my hero comes online at 12k networth and then beelines lategame items, which isn't slark at all. Personally I would simply put treads+SB+(basher?) in core and move sedge and skadi to extension. I've also personally never built satanic on him, mostly because I always end up with at least one of BKB/MKB/sny and don't have the slots.
Mirana: I'll remove Glimmer Cape. Gonna keep Solar Crest.
I'll add Diffusal, I think that's good idea.
I'll fix Deso and and add butterfly/daedalus, those are good.
Slark: I see the issue and thought it over as I know that the other guides are much in tune with what you're saying. The thing is that I want Skadi to be a priority and I want Shadow Blade/Silver Edge to be a priority. The note suggests to start ganking when you get Shadow Blade/Silver Edge, so it might not be something to change as it has a higher priority than any other extension items who are choice-based rather than in order.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On July 01 2015 17:53 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 19:48 ahswtini wrote:
also in the shadow dance description, you talk about 'regenerating items' which i assume is hp. u shud also mention that the passive is rly good for revealing enemy ward spots, and also for knowing when enemies have detection if you get close to them in shadowblade and ur passive turns off done Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 19:38 ahswtini wrote:
slark: not sure why u have wraithband there for early game, ppl might get confused and buy that as well as an aquila
also essence shift is normally taken 2nd (w e q q q) as it's a really strong valuepoint and better than lvl 1 pact fixed the build Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 20:12 Belisarius wrote:On June 30 2015 18:56 Torte de Lini wrote: MiranaMoved Mjollnir to Situational Items Moved Desolator to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items I don't like solar crest or glimmer on mirana, if that's supposed to be a core guide. I mean they're both nice to have on a team but neither has any particular synergy with mirana herself. Most of mirana's damage is magical for the phase where you might consider medallion to build momentum, and glimmer has a crippling manacost and double-dips on your ult anyway. If your team is relying on a mirana for physical dps she needs to put all the gold she can get into her rightclicks to stay relevant, imo I think diffusal is worth putting in situational. Personally I'd move BKB to situational as well, and consider butterfly/crit for extension if it gets to that stage. Deso description still mentions being in situational. On June 30 2015 18:56 Torte de Lini wrote: SlarkAdded Wraith Band to Early Game On slark, you've probably had this discussion previously but his core has a ton of gold in it. As a reader, I see a guide like that and I think my hero comes online at 12k networth and then beelines lategame items, which isn't slark at all. Personally I would simply put treads+SB+(basher?) in core and move sedge and skadi to extension. I've also personally never built satanic on him, mostly because I always end up with at least one of BKB/MKB/sny and don't have the slots. Mirana: I'll remove Glimmer Cape. Gonna keep Solar Crest. I'll add Diffusal, I think that's good idea. I'll fix Deso and and add butterfly/daedalus, those are good. Slark: I see the issue and thought it over as I know that the other guides are much in tune with what you're saying. The thing is that I want Skadi to be a priority and I want Shadow Blade/Silver Edge to be a priority. The note suggests to start ganking when you get Shadow Blade/Silver Edge, so it might not be something to change as it has a higher priority than any other extension items who are choice-based rather than in order.
ur not actually that strong with just shadowblade, and silver edge is only situationally worth rushing. thats why i think drums should be core along with just shadowblade, and sedge be put into extension.
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On July 01 2015 18:20 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 17:53 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 30 2015 19:48 ahswtini wrote:
also in the shadow dance description, you talk about 'regenerating items' which i assume is hp. u shud also mention that the passive is rly good for revealing enemy ward spots, and also for knowing when enemies have detection if you get close to them in shadowblade and ur passive turns off done On June 30 2015 19:38 ahswtini wrote:
slark: not sure why u have wraithband there for early game, ppl might get confused and buy that as well as an aquila
also essence shift is normally taken 2nd (w e q q q) as it's a really strong valuepoint and better than lvl 1 pact fixed the build On June 30 2015 20:12 Belisarius wrote:On June 30 2015 18:56 Torte de Lini wrote: MiranaMoved Mjollnir to Situational Items Moved Desolator to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items I don't like solar crest or glimmer on mirana, if that's supposed to be a core guide. I mean they're both nice to have on a team but neither has any particular synergy with mirana herself. Most of mirana's damage is magical for the phase where you might consider medallion to build momentum, and glimmer has a crippling manacost and double-dips on your ult anyway. If your team is relying on a mirana for physical dps she needs to put all the gold she can get into her rightclicks to stay relevant, imo I think diffusal is worth putting in situational. Personally I'd move BKB to situational as well, and consider butterfly/crit for extension if it gets to that stage. Deso description still mentions being in situational. On June 30 2015 18:56 Torte de Lini wrote: SlarkAdded Wraith Band to Early Game On slark, you've probably had this discussion previously but his core has a ton of gold in it. As a reader, I see a guide like that and I think my hero comes online at 12k networth and then beelines lategame items, which isn't slark at all. Personally I would simply put treads+SB+(basher?) in core and move sedge and skadi to extension. I've also personally never built satanic on him, mostly because I always end up with at least one of BKB/MKB/sny and don't have the slots. Mirana: I'll remove Glimmer Cape. Gonna keep Solar Crest. I'll add Diffusal, I think that's good idea. I'll fix Deso and and add butterfly/daedalus, those are good. Slark: I see the issue and thought it over as I know that the other guides are much in tune with what you're saying. The thing is that I want Skadi to be a priority and I want Shadow Blade/Silver Edge to be a priority. The note suggests to start ganking when you get Shadow Blade/Silver Edge, so it might not be something to change as it has a higher priority than any other extension items who are choice-based rather than in order. ur not actually that strong with just shadowblade, and silver edge is only situationally worth rushing. thats why i think drums should be core along with just shadowblade, and sedge be put into extension.
Originally Drums was in there, but it's been removed because it was 50/50 situational. I like Drums, but noticed it delayed what I really wanted which already came late if the enemy team was aggressive.
I can do Shadow Blade -> Skadi -> Silver Edge if need-be. I wish there was a tab to make things "in-between" priority.
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