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Seeing a lot of Bloodseeker junglers with lvl 4 being either W or another point in Q.
I want to see if it is better to go Silver Edge and get the jump on foes for an early lead or going still Blade Mail into S&Y
I haven't been seeing much change for Razor to be frank.
Weaver I am getting mixed varied builds, not sure if I'll change just yet.
Double-Check Alchemist builds
Double-Check Sniper builds
Double-Check Magnus builds
Double-Check Centaur Warrunner builds
Double-Check Zeus builds
Update Legion Commander builds
Do dual-Bounty Hunter build (Dagon)
Update TA
Opinions on these would be appreciated
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On May 20 2015 23:46 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm noticing Spirit Breaker going a lot less points in charge and back to maxing W and E. Also, getting a lot bigger items than just Urn/Blade Mail.
You still go 4-1-4 except with specific teamcomps.
Mostly it's people finally realizing how stupid being able to activate target-less items during Charge is (specifically Lothar's and BKB).
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On May 21 2015 09:28 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 23:46 Torte de Lini wrote:
I'm noticing Spirit Breaker going a lot less points in charge and back to maxing W and E. Also, getting a lot bigger items than just Urn/Blade Mail. You still go 4-1-4 except with specific teamcomps. Mostly it's people finally realizing how stupid being able to activate target-less items during Charge is (specifically Lothar's and BKB).
Just updated it. I'm going to try it out later this week.
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going through the list of changes needed to be made. I'm ashamed that a lot of these are a bit dated; so I'm working through them all:
Double-Check Alchemist builds
Double-Check Sniper builds
Double-Check Magnus builds
Double-Check Centaur Warrunner builds
Double-Check Zeus builds
Update Legion Commander builds
Update TA
Update Bristleback
fix Topic in view of excel sheet corrections - essentially, the excel sheet formulas kept misassociating itself with the wrong cells; causing percentages to be wrong (4% growth instead of an actual 2% growth). I just fixed it, but that means all my old posts could be wrong; so I have to go back and fix them all.
Doesn't affect total number of subscribers
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Question regarding Bristle - is that too soon to be getting Solar Crest? I always thought the HP pool needed to be a bit higher before evasion was good.
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It is too early to get Solar Crest.
I probably wouldn't get Solar Crest if I was getting it at all until I finish AC. There's a bunch of the time you'd rather have Halberd than Solar in your 6 items as well. Having it as Core isn't really appropriate.
Bristle's items as a whole need a cleanup, particularly with no mention of S&Y, Abyssal, or MKB, which are all legitimate item choices of varying usefulness based on the game.
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On May 24 2015 02:51 TheYango wrote:
It is too early to get Solar Crest.
I probably wouldn't get Solar Crest if I was getting it at all until I finish AC. There's a bunch of the time you'd rather have Halberd than Solar in your 6 items as well. Having it as Core isn't really appropriate.
Bristle's items as a whole need a cleanup, particularly with no mention of S&Y, Abyssal, or MKB, which are all legitimate item choices of varying usefulness based on the game.
Agreed, I'll update it come Tuesday as I'm prepping to publish issue #4
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 Undying
Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Moved Solar Crest to Core Items
Removed Blade Mail
Removed Lotus Orb
Lone Druid (Jungle)
Lone Druid (Middle)
Added Monkey King Bar to Situational Items (Bear)
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
 Bloodseeker (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R Q Q W R (1. Thirst 2. Bloodrage 3. Blood Rite)
Added Radiance to Situational Items
Added Silver Edge to Core Items
Moved Blade Mail to Situational Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Moved Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Moved Mjollnir to Extension Items
Removed Dagon
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Hand of Midas
Bloodseeker (Lane)
Bloodseeker (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W
Added Silver Edge to Situational Items
Added Radiance to Extension Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Moved Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Moved Mjollnir to Extension Items
Removed Dagon
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
 Razor
Added Mekansm to Situational Items
Added Bottle to Situational Items
Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Spirit Breaker
Added Silver Edge to Core Items
Added Satanic to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Moon Shard to Extension Items
Removed Armlet of Mordiggan
Removed Sange & Yasha
Necrophos
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Added Silver Edge to Situational Items
Added Ethereal Blade to Extension Items
Created New Tab: "Core - Dagon"
Moved Dagon to "Core - Dagon"
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Core - Dagon"
Removed Lotus Orb
Removed Ghost Scepter
Techies
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
 Tiny (Middle)
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Shiva's Guard to Situational items
Moved Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Removed Tab: "Core - Ganker"
Removed Yasha
Tiny (Lane)
Added Bottle to Situational Items
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Shiva's Guard to Situational items
Moved Assault Cuirass to Extension Items
Removed Tab: "Core - Ganker"
Bounty Hunter
Created New Tab: "Core - Roam"
Created New Tab: "Extension - Roam"
Added Mango to Situational Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Added Vlamir's Offering to Situational Items
Added Sange & Yasha to Extension Items
Added Solar Crest to "Extension - Roam"
Added Blink Dagger to "Extension - Roam"
Moved Dagon to "Core -Roam"
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Moved Monkey King Bar to "Extension Items"
Moved Assault Cuirass to "Extension Items"
Moved Ethereal Blade to "Extension Roam"
Moved Orchid of Malevolence to "Extension - Roam"
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
 Bristleback
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Vanguard to Core Items
Added Black King Bar to Core Items
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Added Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Added Heaven's Halberd to Extension Items
Added Skull Basher to Extension Items
Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Added Abyssal Blade to "Luxury Items"
Added Boots of Travel to "Luxury Items"
Moved Solar Crest to Situational Items
Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Moved Moon Shard to "Luxury Items"
Moved Shiva's Guard to "Luxury Items"
 Lion
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Situational Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
to reddit
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I've touched up Bristleback, the two main issues I'm facing are:
1. Which is situational, extension and core
2. In what order they should be bought.
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Medallion/Crest aren't core, I don't know where you got the idea that they are. They're decidedly situational.
"Core" is basically VG->situational CG upgrade->Pipe or BKB->AC->damage items. If your team needs midgame autoattack damage from you (usually it doesn't), you can end up getting S&Y sometime before your AC also. You also sometimes have to get Meka if no one else on your team can.
So I'd probably do core as VG->BKB->AC; situational as Meka, CG, Pipe, S&Y (Crest if you realy want it), extension as Heart, Halberd, MKB, Abyssal, and everything else however you see fit. CG and S&Y are situational, not extension, because while they're sometimes appropriate during your buildup of your core, both items are really inefficient to buy late (S&Y is cost-efficient but not really slot-efficient, and CG's active scales poorly given the way damage block generally scales). Pipe is situational because you'd almost never buy it WITH BKB, it's more likely to be one or the other depending on the game.
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What's the best way to handle the early mama issues for Bristle until he gets a few levels if Medalllion isn't core? Casual Sage and/or clarities?
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Bottle, Basi, Urn are all situational choices, or just Clarities/Mango.
Really there's a lot of reasonable small mana items, and no single one of them is core.
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On May 25 2015 06:07 BoZiffer wrote:
What's the best way to handle the early mama issues for Bristle until he gets a few levels if Medalllion isn't core? Casual Sage and/or clarities?
Tread switching+basi or bottle and a stick
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BH I think needs to be re-thought entirely because without explicitly having a guide for support vs. off-lane, it becomes really hard to have the guide properly address how the hero is played. Especially since basically nobody actually plays the hero off-lane now rather than support, so most of the information about how the hero is played based on off-lane is basically not applicable to how people are actually playing the hero.
Like if you're playing BH support, your items are going to be something like Tranq+Blink+Dagon+some combination of Urn/Medallion/Eul's/Vlad's/etc. and literally none of the DPS/carry items are really applicable to you at all.
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On May 25 2015 10:16 TheYango wrote:
BH I think needs to be re-thought entirely because without explicitly having a guide for support vs. off-lane, it becomes really hard to have the guide properly address how the hero is played. Especially since basically nobody actually plays the hero off-lane now rather than support, so most of the information about how the hero is played based on off-lane is basically not applicable to how people are actually playing the hero.
Like if you're playing BH support, your items are going to be something like Tranq+Blink+Dagon+some combination of Urn/Medallion/Eul's/Vlad's/etc. and literally none of the DPS/carry items are really applicable to you at all.
Yeah, descriptions are a bit lacking and it was hastily updated
Tranq should be on BH, that's an error.
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I've updated Bounty Hunter as two separate builds:
Core Items
Core - Roam
Descriptions will need to be added for it all, also I left a lot of items as situational: Urn/Drums/Vlad's as I felt both builds benefit from them (I personally would have liked Solar Crest in there)
descriptions updated
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Double-Check Alchemist builds
Double-Check Sniper builds
Double-Check Magnus builds
Double-Check Centaur Warrunner builds
Double-Check Zeus builds
Update Legion Commander builds
Update TA
Update Bristleback
Update Bounty Hunter Descriptions
fix Topic in view of excel sheet corrections - essentially, the excel sheet formulas kept misassociating itself with the wrong cells; causing percentages to be wrong (4% growth instead of an actual 2% growth). I just fixed it, but that means all my old posts could be wrong; so I have to go back and fix them all.
Doesn't affect total number of subscribers
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Added Bottle and Mekansm to Situational for Razor, not sure if Razor should go Phase or Treads.
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You'll hate me for saying this for the 10,000th time but it doesn't really matter whether you put Phase or Treads because it's game dependent enough that whichever one you put will be wrong about equally often.
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