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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 26 2015 04:58 GMT
#3521
On May 26 2015 08:36 TheYango wrote:
You'll hate me for saying this for the 10,000th time but it doesn't really matter whether you put Phase or Treads because it's game dependent enough that whichever one you put will be wrong about equally often.


I only hate it more now because I am experiencing it personally more and more.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-29 06:37:36
May 26 2015 06:33 GMT
#3522

Double-Check Sniper builds
Update Legion Commander builds
Double-Check Shadow Fiend

fix Topic in view of excel sheet corrections - essentially, the excel sheet formulas kept misassociating itself with the wrong cells; causing percentages to be wrong (4% growth instead of an actual 2% growth). I just fixed it, but that means all my old posts could be wrong; so I have to go back and fix them all.

Doesn't affect total number of subscribers


Guides to watch (nearing 1 million):

Phantom Lancer
Nyx Assassin (Middle)
Sand King
Bounty Hunter

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-28 08:24:47
May 26 2015 08:38 GMT
#3523
ed
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 27 2015 11:58 GMT
#3524
Most guides are looking nearly up-to-date, will look into updating the general hero descriptions
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ElOhTeeBee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
May 27 2015 20:33 GMT
#3525
Dark Seer guide should probably include a blink dagger somewhere; it's pretty good on him.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 27 2015 20:48 GMT
#3526
Blink should be core or situational, Arcanes and Guardian's should be situational and Refresher should be extension as well.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 28 2015 08:24 GMT
#3527
I said MOST!

I'll take a look at DS now
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-30 16:17:32
May 28 2015 08:26 GMT
#3528
ed
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-28 15:34:16
May 28 2015 15:33 GMT
#3529
The starting items for DS should also include Stout. An offlane melee with 6 base armor and a strong tendency to fight in creeps has very little reason not to buy Stout.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 28 2015 16:46 GMT
#3530
On May 29 2015 00:33 TheYango wrote:
The starting items for DS should also include Stout. An offlane melee with 6 base armor and a strong tendency to fight in creeps has very little reason not to buy Stout.


Tossed the branches, added a clarity and stout
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 29 2015 11:40 GMT
#3531
stats coming in 4 days. Hoping to get 75.75 million at least.
Looking at some heroes I may have overlooked, but I think we're on a good track as I start testing again.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
May 29 2015 17:14 GMT
#3532
Why should shadow blade be core on Drow Ranger?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 29 2015 19:29 GMT
#3533
She had three diverse builds and I felt this one was the most straight-forward for soloQ
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 29 2015 19:53 GMT
#3534
If u take in account who these guides are assigned to, i dont think shadowblade is that bad of a item.

But still, one goal of these guides should also be to educate "noobs" away from "noob items", which then again, makes shadowblade bad item. Personally i think with the new silver edge makes shadow blade just fine item for drow, makes u a bit tougher to kill + gives u solo-kill potential vs. heroes like bb. Honestly im not sure whether it should be core or not.

Few other things i noticed while looking at drow build is that u dont mention about HotD's active part, dominating a creep. I would add it, and tell where it is used (stacking ancients, wolf aura). Plus,,theres no satanic in extension items, which is pretty damn good on drow after 2-3 damage items/bkb.

Im trying to think something to replace drums too but i guess it needs to be there if everything goes horribly :|

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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
May 29 2015 22:01 GMT
#3535
boy i hope those drow rangers who insisted on getting shadow blade and looking for "pickoffs" despite having a game where we could literally walk all 5 heroes to the ancient and win weren't following your guide
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
May 29 2015 22:28 GMT
#3536
On May 30 2015 04:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
She had three diverse builds and I felt this one was the most straight-forward for soloQ


Ok. In that case Silver Edge should be Extension (instead of Situational), probably bumping MKB to Situational.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-29 23:14:34
May 29 2015 22:52 GMT
#3537
On May 30 2015 07:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
boy i hope those drow rangers who insisted on getting shadow blade and looking for "pickoffs" despite having a game where we could literally walk all 5 heroes to the ancient and win weren't following your guide


It's rare that I'll speak out about specific negatively-toned posts, but your sense of "feedback" is condescending and unwanted to the point that I feel the need to point it out publicly (since this isn't the first time.).

edit: I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but I'm not very tolerant right now.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-29 23:01:46
May 29 2015 22:59 GMT
#3538
On May 30 2015 04:53 Velzi wrote:
If u take in account who these guides are assigned to, i dont think shadowblade is that bad of a item.

But still, one goal of these guides should also be to educate "noobs" away from "noob items", which then again, makes shadowblade bad item. Personally i think with the new silver edge makes shadow blade just fine item for drow, makes u a bit tougher to kill + gives u solo-kill potential vs. heroes like bb. Honestly im not sure whether it should be core or not.

Few other things i noticed while looking at drow build is that u dont mention about HotD's active part, dominating a creep. I would add it, and tell where it is used (stacking ancients, wolf aura). Plus,,theres no satanic in extension items, which is pretty damn good on drow after 2-3 damage items/bkb.

Im trying to think something to replace drums too but i guess it needs to be there if everything goes horribly :|



You're correct.

I was actually looking at Satanic and unfortunately didn't include it, I should probably do that.
I actually hadn't had any success with the previous Drow build and was having a lot of trouble finding an alternative that wasn't Mask of Madness.

On May 30 2015 07:28 Buckyman wrote:
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On May 30 2015 04:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
She had three diverse builds and I felt this one was the most straight-forward for soloQ


Ok. In that case Silver Edge should be Extension (instead of Situational), probably bumping MKB to Situational.


That makes a lot of sense. I'm heading to bed now and will actually take a better look at Drow. I was a bit hasty with her change I guess and I am having trouble seeing how to improve her (I like HOTD as core on her actually, but felt she had issues with escape, similar to Sniper)
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-30 05:40:15
May 30 2015 05:39 GMT
#3539
Over the various iterations of the Drow guide, my own personal builds switched from HotD to MoM, which felt like it finally made the Shadow Blade rat play worthwhile. Then MoM got nerfed, and I'm not sure whether to switch back to HotD, and thus omit Shadow Blade in favor of a faster Manta, Butterfly and eventually BoTs, and relying on move speed for escape.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-30 13:25:40
May 30 2015 13:22 GMT
#3540
On May 30 2015 07:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
boy i hope those drow rangers who insisted on getting shadow blade and looking for "pickoffs" despite having a game where we could literally walk all 5 heroes to the ancient and win weren't following your guide

Shadow Blade has been a pub choice on that hero for a lot longer than it's been in Torte's guide, and Drow's solo-killing ability is quite good (it was somewhat better before she had Gust, because Gust's projectile actually makes it possible for enemies to have a chance to escape with perfect reactions, but the tradeoff is Gust being an overall better teamfight skill).

Honestly, SB gives a well-rounded stat mix. It's good for a beginner's guide because it's a middle of the road option that is kinda OK doing anything--there will be better items for specific scenarios but the combination of damage, attack speed, and a movespeed/invis active is well-rounded enough that in the mistake-laden play of low level pubs the item choice is never bad enough to lose you the game. If you really have to 5-man, the item choice isn't going to hurt her unless it's a game where she absolutely needs first item BKB or something.

On May 30 2015 14:39 Buckyman wrote:
Over the various iterations of the Drow guide, my own personal builds switched from HotD to MoM, which felt like it finally made the Shadow Blade rat play worthwhile. Then MoM got nerfed, and I'm not sure whether to switch back to HotD, and thus omit Shadow Blade in favor of a faster Manta, Butterfly and eventually BoTs, and relying on move speed for escape.

MoM and HotD are bad items for a general beginner's guide because while they're good items for Drow, they're pretty specialized in their function and can be good or awful based on the flow of the game itself.
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