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DRAFT Patch 6.84
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Skill Changes subject to change
+ Show Spoiler + Alchemist Crystal Maiden (ult at 6)  Juggernaut (revert to old build?)  Lifestealer (2 less levels in Open Wounds?) Nyx Assassin - Middle (gear towards non-dagon?)  Pugna (max decrepify second?)  Riki (prioritize smoke lvl 1) Sand King (early level - Caustic Finale?)
Item Changes subject to change
+ Show Spoiler + Abaddon Alchemist Ancient Apparition  Axe  Bane  Batrider  Beastmaster ( Valve, please update this guide so the ult can be skilled)  Bloodseeker Bounty Hunter  Brewmaster  Bristleback  Broodmother Centaur Warrunner Chaos Knight  Chen  Clinkz  Clockwerk  Dark Seer  Dazzle Death Prophet  Disruptor Dragon Knight Drow Ranger  Earthshaker Earth Spirit Elder Titan Ember Spirit  Enchantress  Enigma  Gyrocopter  Huskar  Invoker  IO  Jakiro Juggernaut Keeper of the Light  Kunkka Legion Commander  Leshrac  Lich Lifestealer  Lina Lone Druid  Luna Lycan  Magnus  Medusa  Meepo  Mirana  Morphling Naga Siren Nature's Prophet Necrophos Night Stalker Nyx Assassin Ogre Magi  Omniknight Oracle Outworld Devourer  Phantom Assassin  Phantom Lancer Phoenix  Puck  Pudge Pugna Queen of Pain  Razor Riki  Rubick Sand King  Shadow Demon  Shadow Shaman  Shadow Fiend  Silencer  Slardar  Slark  Sniper  Spectre Spirit Breaker Storm Spirit  Sven Techies Templar Assassin Terrorblade  Tidehunter  Timbersaw  Tinker  Tiny Treant Protector Troll Warlord  Tusk  Undying  Ursa Vengeful Spirit  Venomancer  Viper  Visage  Warlock  Weaver Windranger Winter Wyvern  Witch Doctor Wraith King  Zeus
Item Application: subject to change
Quelling Blade: 
Eul's Scepter of Divinity: Remove on a bunch of heroes
Magic Wand -> Change to Magic Stick or starting items to consider circlet
Mask of Madness: Revert back to old build
Observer Wards: Change starting items desc. to indicate buying both courier + wards
Refresher Orb: remove on
Vladmir's Offering: more included on utility heroes/supports
Aghanim's Scepter (Core/Situational/Extension):
Blink Dagger:
Boots of Travel:
Mask of Madness:
Enchanted Mango: Junglers?  some midlaners and bottle holders
Glimmer Cape: for supports
Solar Crest: for utility heroes (situational)
Lotus Orb: tanky heroes?
Moon Shard: Carries/Str heroes/Bashers
Silver Edge: Gankers/S&Y who don't care for Yasha
Guardian Greaves: Supports/Utilities
Octarine Core: Nukers
Potential New Guides subject to change
Sand King - Jungle
Windranger - Middle
[*] above are just initial thoughts, not accurate or reflective of upcoming changes[/list]
New color for patch 6.84 (dark solid purple plum)
Actual Schedule (CEST)
Day 1
- 8 to 12:00: Patch Analysis, information collecting (videos, opinions, etc.) + draft notes
- 12:00 to 12:30: Lunch
- 12:30 to 3:00: Title Changes + Date Updates for initial unchanged heroes (un/mentioned from the patch notes)
- 3:00 to 5:30: Narrow and apply initial changes (descriptions, obvious skill builds) + finish my actual job
- 5:30 to 6:30: Dinner/Rest
- 6:30 to 10:30: Apply changes
- 10:30 onward: Rest and actual dinner
Day 2
- 10 to 11:00: Further application of items, updating descriptions.
Total Elapsed Time (including lunch/dinner): 27.5 hours
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Final Total Subscriptions (6.83): 71,550,929
Patch 6.84 Applied Changes
These are initial changes, more will be made with further feedback and analysis
Unchanged
Ancient Apparition (Lane)
Ancient Apparition (Middle)
Bane
Bounty Hunter
Clinkz
Disruptor
Doom (Jungle)
Doom (Lane)
Earth Spirit (Middle)
Enchantress
Huskar
Luna
Meepo
Naga Siren (Lane)
Naga Siren (Middle)
Outworld Devourer
Phantom Assassin
Phantom Lancer (Lane)
Puck
Queen of Pain
Shadow Shaman (Middle)
Skywrath Mage (Middle)
Sniper (Lane)
Sniper (Middle)
Storm Spirit
Templar Assassin
Terrorblade
Tiny (Lane)
Tiny (Middle)
Treant Protector
Warlock (Middle)
Winter Wyvern
Applied Changes
Abaddon
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Added Necromonicon to Situational Items
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Removed Skull Basher
Removed Sange & Yasha
Alchemist (Lane)
New Skill Build: E W W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Unstable Concoction 2. Acid Spray 3. Greevil's Greed)
Starting Items: Tango, Stout Shield, 3x Iron Branch
Early Game: Magic Wand, Boots of Speed
Core Items: Power Treads, Medallion of Courage, Shadow Blade, Armlet of Mordiggan
Situational Items: Blink Dagger, Blade Mail, Solar Crest, Black King Bar, Mjollnir
Extension Items: Solar Crest, Silver Edge, Abyssal Blade, Daedalus, Butterfly
Luxury Items: Boots of Travel, Moon Shard, Aghanim's Scepter
Alchemist (Middle)
New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Acid Spray 2. Unstable Concoction 3. Greevil's Greed)
Starting Items: Tango, Stout Shield, Clarity
Early Game: Bottle
Core Items: Power Treads, Medallion of Courage, Shadow Blade, Armlet of Mordiggan
Situational Items: Blink Dagger, Blade Mail, Solar Crest, Black King Bar, Mjollnir
Extension Items: Solar Crest, Silver Edge, Abyssal Blade, Daedalus, Butterfly
Luxury Items: Boots of Travel, Moon Shard, Aghanim's Scepter
Anti-Mage
Added Monkey King Bar to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Axe (Jungle)
Axe (Lane)
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Force Staff to Situational Items
Moved Crimson Guard to Situational Items
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Batrider
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Necromonicon to Situational Items
Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items
Removed Linken's Sphere
Removed Boots of Travel
Beastmaster (Lane)
Beastmaster (Middle)
Guide still broken, cannot skill ultimate
Bloodseeker (Lane)
Bloodseeker (Middle)
Bloodseeker (Jungle)
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Moved Mjollnir to Situational Items
Brewmaster (Lane)
Brewmaster (Middle)
Added Moon Shard to Situational Items
Bristleback
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Added Solar Crest to Core Items
Added Moon Shard to Situational Items
Moved Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Renamed "Replace Crimson Guard" to "Defensive Utilities"
Removed Mekansm
Removed Sange & Yasha
Removed Black King Bar
Broodmother
Added Desolator to Extension Items
Removed Butterfly
Removed Yasha
Centaur Warrunner
Added Hood of Defiance to Core Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items
Moved Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Removed Early Game Tab
Chaos Knight
Added Quelling Blade to Situational Items
Removed Stout Shield
Chen
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Added Flying Courier to Utility Items
Removed Ring of Protection
Clockwerk
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Removed Utility Items Tab and all affiliated items of it.
Removed Core - Mekansm Tab and all affiliated items of it.
Crystal Maiden
New Skill Build: Q W E E Q R Q Q W W R W E E R (1. Crystal Nova 2. Frostbite 3. Arcane Aura)
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Dark Seer
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Dazzle
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Death Prophet
Added Glimmer Cape to Core Items
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Removed Refresher's Orb
Dragon Knight (Lane)
Dragon Knight (Middle)
Added Silver Edge to Extension Items
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Moved Shadow Blade to Core Items
Moved Assault Cuirass to Situational Items
Removed Maelstrom
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Drow Ranger
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Mask of Madness
Earthshaker
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Removed Clarity to afford both courier and wards
Earth Spirit (Lane)
Removed Stout Shield
Elder Titan (Lane)
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch x2 to afford both courier and wards
Elder Titan (Middle)
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Moon Shard to Situational Items
Ember Spirit (Lane)
Ember Spirit (Middle)
Added Boots of Travel to Luxury Items
Enigma
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Faceless Void
Added Moon Shard to Situational Items
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Moved Mjollnir to Situational Items
Moved Boots of Travel to Luxury Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Luxury Items
Moved Refresher's Orb to Luxury Items
Gyrocopter (Lane)
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Shadow Blade
Gyrocopter (Middle)
Added Silver Edge to Extension Items
Removed Ring of Aquila
Invoker
Added Octarine Core
Moved Hand of Midas to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Situational Items
Removed Magic Wand
IO
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch x2 to afford both courier and wards
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Jakiro
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Juggernaut
New Skill Build: Q W E Stats Stats R Stats E E E R W R W W R Statsx6 (1. Blade Dance 2. Healing Ward 3. Blade Fury)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Mjollnir
Keeper of the Light
Removed Ring of Protection to afford both courier and wards
Kunkka (Lane)
Kunkka (Middle)
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Silver Edge to Extension Items
Removed Blink Dagger
Legion Commander (Lane)
Legion Commander (Middle)
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items
Added Silver Edge to Initiation
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Moved Daedalus to Extension Items
Removed Maelstrom
Removed Mjollnir
Removed Desolator
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Leshrac (Lane)
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch x2 to afford both courier and wards
Removed Ghost Scepter
Leshrac (Middle)
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity Situational items
Moved Power Treads to Extension Items
Removed Blade Mail
Removed Linken's Sphere
Lich
Removed Healing Salve to afford both courier and wards
Lifestealer (Lane)
Removed Hand of Midas
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items
Moved Monkey King Bar
Lifestealer (Jungle)
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items
Lina (Lane)
Lina (Middle)
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
 Lion
Removed Iron Branch x2 to afford both courier and wards
Lone Druid (Lane)
Lone Druid (Jungle)
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Core - Druid
Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Druid Items
Added Moon Shard to Situational Items (Bear)
Moved Maelstrom to Situational Items (Bear)
Moved Radiance to Core - Bear
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Ghost Scepter
Removed Pipe of Insight
Lycan (Lane)
Lycan (Jungle)
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Medusa
Added Lotus Orb
Removed Divine Rapier
Mirana
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Removed Medallion of Courage
Morphling
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items
Nature's Prophet
Added Silver Edge to Core - Ganker
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Moon Shard Situational Items
Removed Shadow Blade
Necrophos
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Added Octarine to Extension Items
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Night Stalker
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Removed Drums of Endurance
Nyx Assassin (Lane)
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Nyx Assassin (Middle)
Removed "If Succeeding, max to 5" reworked Dagon description in Core Items
Created New Tab: "Situational Items"
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Necromonicon to Situational Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Ogre Magi
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Omniknight
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Crimson Guard
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Oracle (Lane)
Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Remove Iron Branch x2 to afford both courier and wards
Removed Orchid of Malevolence
Removed Dagon
Oracle (Middle)
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Phoenix (Lane)
Phoenix (Middle)
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Pudge
Removed Pipe of Insight
Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
Pugna
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Razor
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Removed Bottle
Riki
New Skill Build: W Q E E E R E W W W R Q Q Q (1. Backstab 2. Permanent Invisibility 3. Smoke Screen)
Rubick
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Sand King
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Burrowstrike 2. Sand Storm 3. Caustic Finale)
Removed Healing Salve
Shadow Demon
Removed Iron Branch to afford both courier and wards
Shadow Fiend
Shadow Shaman (Lane)
Added Clarity to Starting Items to afford both courier and wards
Removed Bottle to afford both courier and wards
Silencer (Lane)
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Moved Refresher's Orb to Extension Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Silencer (Middle)
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Skywrath Mage (Lane)
Remove Clarity
Remove Iron Branch
Slardar
Added Moon Shard to Situational Items
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Hand of Midas
Slark (Lane)
Slark (Middle)
Added Silver Edge to Core Items
Spectre
Moved Radiance to Extension Items
Spirit Breaker
Glimmer Cape added to Situational Items
Removed Shadow Blade
Sven
Added Moon Shard to Extension Items
Techies
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Removed Bloodstone
Tidehunter
Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items
Timbersaw
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Tinker
Added Upgraded Boots of Travel to Luxury Items
Troll Warlord (Lane)
Troll Warlord (Middle)
Moved Quelling Blade to Core Items
Tusk (Lane)
New Skill Build: W QQ W Q R Q W W E R E E E R (1. Ice Shards 2. Snowball 3. Frozen Sigil)
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Added Solar Crest to Core Items
Moved Desolator to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Removed Assault Cuirass
Removed Medallion of Courage
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Undying
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Ursa (Jungle)
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Moved Stout Shield to Early Game
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Ursa (Lane)
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Vengeful Spirit
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Removed Shiva's Guard
Removed Bottle
Venomancer
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch x2 to afford both courier and wards
Removed Medallion of Courage
Removed Pipe of Insight
Viper
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Black King Bar
Visage
Added Enchanted Mango to Situational Items
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Removed Mekansm
Removed Bottle
Warlock (Lane)
Removed Iron Branch x2 to afford both courier and wards
Weaver (Lane)
Weaver (Middle)
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
New Guide
Windranger (Middle)
New Skill Build: W E W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E (1. Powershot 2. Shackleshot 3. Windrun)
Starting Items: Null Talisman, Tango
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed
Core Items: Phase Boots, Aghanim's Scepter, Daedalus
Situational Items: Force Staff, Blink Dagger, Rod of Atos, Monkey King Bar
Extension Items: Skull Basher, Black King Bar, Scythe of Vyse, Eye of Skadi
Witch Doctor
Added Glimmer Cape to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Removed Ghost Scepter
Wraith King
Added Moon Shard to Situational Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Removed Assault Cuirass
Zeus
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Added Octarian Core to Extension Items
Patch 6.83 Inquiries
Lotus Orb instead of Black King Bar in Situational Items?
Moon Shard to Situational Items?
revert back to old build (max spin)?
Remove Mask of Madness, include battlefury?
Prioritization of Heaven's Halberd, Pipe of Insight and Aghanim's Scepter is unsure.
Glimmer Cape, Core Items?
Enchanted Mango for Jungling?
Shift to carry build: Silver Edge, Moon Shard?
Glimmer Cape?
How to build up his attack speed?
New Skill Build?
Silver Edge worthwhile? Shadow Blade still has a mana cost that chips off LC.
Mjollnir still good on Bear or just rush Moon Shard first (thus Moon Shard is Extension)?
Glimmer Cape or is that just a cutesy/novel idea?
Chang Mirana's Skill Build to be less noob-friendly, but more expected way to be played?
Aghanim's Scepter situationally worthwhile for Naga Siren?
Aghanim's Scepter still sounds iffy, thoughts?
Glimmer Cape for Core - Pusher?
Aghanim's Scepter is decent, but I find it isn't prioritized.
Eul's Scepter Situational?
Solar Crest Core?
Can't find anything to really change for him, neither as midlane or roamer, suggestions?
Nothing to really change? He's just been nerfed + Mask of Madness nerf.
Glimmer Cape as Situational Items?
Lotus Orb situational? Any validity in that?
Item build needs massive reworking since his ult and strength no longer accounted for.
Thinking Solar Crest could have a higher priority of core or extension...
Glimmer Cape core instead of Mekansm? Magic Resist not really needed however.
Max Geminate Attack now?
Change to Slahser's Build?
Total changes made (includes text/description. updates): approx. 400 changes
109 Guides changes applied
35 Guides remain unchanged
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okay its simple
bfury = lets u hit multiple creeps at a time
maelstrom = lets u hit multiple creeps at a time
moon edge = nothing like that whatsoever. only attackspeed which is almost always less efficient than damage until you have a fair bit of damage already since you start with (100 + base agi) attackspeed.
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United States47024 Posts
I literally have no idea where the comparison of Moon Shard to Battlefury came from.
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alch doesn't make a good candidate for moon shard at all; BAT difference doesn't make attack speed more efficient than damage, the optimal damage to attack speed ratio is completely independent of BAT
i guess he's one of the first heroes you think of for the efficient 7th slot feature though
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On April 29 2015 05:49 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
alch doesn't make a good candidate for moon shard at all; BAT difference doesn't make attack speed more efficient than damage, the optimal damage to attack speed ratio is completely independent of BAT
However, alch does 6-slot the easiest which makes a permanent 60 ias without costing a slot suddenly attractive
E: yeah u edited on me
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United States47024 Posts
Yeah I'm pretty sure the reason you buy Moon Shard on Alch is because you hit 6 items so fast, but even then you have to weigh it against buying Aghas for people, lol.
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I'm just tired; so I am not thinking straight - I saw BF and MS at the same cost and made the connection (killing creeps at an incredible rate -> works to the late-game [dissolves or use for the fast attack speed].
I will be clocking out for tonight. Started at 8 - ending at 10:30 --- Will continue tomorrow.
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Just woke up; going to work and will slip in probably another 40-50 changes while working.
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Still chugging along, please check 6.84 inquiries (its at the end of the patch notes) for things I'm unsure about. Overall; I love how these items create another of late-game potential, but also fill gaps for a lot of heroes I felt were trap in one build or another. I think I am excited most for Silver Edge and Solar Crest.
I should be done in 2 hours if I go at this pace.
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At first glance I would say no for all of your inquiries.
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United States47024 Posts
Alchemist - Lotus Orb instead of Black King Bar in Situational Items?
Why? The items don't really serve an overlapping function, so why would this cross your mind as a direct replacement?
Moon Shard to Situational Items?
You could but it's pretty much just a "I have no slots left and am buying Moon Shards to eat them" scenario, and anyone who doesn't know to do that when they have 10k gold banked on 6 items is losing games because they don't know to do that.
Death Prophet Glimmer Cape, Core Items?
What function does Glimmer Cape serve that DP wants as core?
Doom Enchanted Mango for Jungling?
No. Mango's cost-efficiency is shit if you're using the mana just to farm (150 gold for 150 mana is terrible, lol). It's for heroes that use the regen and then can use the mana in a pinch, but Doom jungle is just going to be farming.
Doom Shift to carry build: Silver Edge, Moon Shard?
I don't know what would prompt this change, the items aren't especially good for him.
Dragon Knight Glimmer Cape?
It's situationally good because it's disassemble-able so if it's a game for Lothar's, the casual cloak is not terrible.
Legion Commander Silver Edge worthwhile? Shadow Blade still has a mana cost that chips off LC.
Lothar's LC was already bad and Silver Edge doesn't make it better.
Lone Druid Mjollnir still good on Bear or just rush Moon Shard first (thus Moon Shard is Extension)?
LD is like the opposite of a Moon Shard hero.
Moon Shard is not really an effective item outside of situational night vision extension and the eat-them-at-6-items case. Outside of that it's just 2 Hyperstones for the cost of 2 Hyperstones--it doesn't provide any distinct function that lets you do anything special. LD has a second unit that scouts for him and has 12 item slots which means he's the least likely carry to need either of those.
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Would Guardian Greaves be a good extension or situational item for Dark Seer? He already is sort of agnostic to boot choice and usually gets a mek so it's not a stretch to go up to the greaves. It still seems like BoTs is a better extension, but the 15 armor for heroes under 20% seems pretty interesting.
At the very least in games with dispellable silences it seems really useful.
It also seems like Oct core would possibly be more useful for Necro than Lotus? You're potentially talking about big HP boosts on Necro every 3.75s (not to mention the faster healing of allies) and a massive recovery from ult targets.
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Guides have been drafted new changes. When the new patch hits; I will replace the placeholder items and put in the proper ones.
Inquiries are updated as well if everyone wants to take a look. Will read replies shortly, creating Reddit thread then going home as I am still at the office.
Total changes made (includes text/description. updates): approx. 400 changes
109 Guides changes applied
35 Guides remain unchanged
Actual Schedule (CEST)
Day 1
- 8 to 12:00: Patch Analysis, information collecting (videos, opinions, etc.) + draft notes
- 12:00 to 12:30: Lunch
- 12:30 to 3:00: Title Changes + Date Updates for initial unchanged heroes (un/mentioned from the patch notes)
- 3:00 to 5:30: Narrow and apply initial changes (descriptions, obvious skill builds) + finish my actual job
- 5:30 to 6:30: Dinner/Rest
- 6:30 to 10:30: Apply changes
- 10:30 onward: Rest and actual dinner
Day 2
- 10 to 11:00: Further application of items, updating descriptions.
Total Elapsed Time (including lunch/dinner): 27.5 hours
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all of ur glimmer cape suggestions and 80% of ur other ones are bad
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On April 30 2015 06:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
all of ur glimmer cape suggestions and 80% of ur other ones are bad
I am walking home, but specifics would be appreciated.
For most new item changes; I was cautious to leave it situational and will slowly remove them; similar as I did for Bottle when it was changed in recent patches.
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On April 30 2015 03:42 Logo wrote:
Would Guardian Greaves be a good extension or situational item for Dark Seer? He already is sort of agnostic to boot choice and usually gets a mek so it's not a stretch to go up to the greaves. It still seems like BoTs is a better extension, but the 15 armor for heroes under 20% seems pretty interesting.
At the very least in games with dispellable silences it seems really useful.
It also seems like Oct core would possibly be more useful for Necro than Lotus? You're potentially talking about big HP boosts on Necro every 3.75s (not to mention the faster healing of allies) and a massive recovery from ult targets.
Good idea, it would stop the Bloodstone chanting I get a lot about the guide. Will definitely look into it when I get home.
For Dark Seer, I figured so as well, but was unsure in terms of priority.
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tinker should get upgraded travel boots at some point
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Alchemist Lotus Orb instead of Black King Bar in Situational Items? No
Alchemist Moon Shard to Situational Items? No
Juggernaut revert back to old build (max spin)? no comment
Juggernaut Remove Mask of Madness, include battlefury? no comment
Centaur Warrunner Prioritization of Heaven's Halberd, Pipe of Insight and Aghanim's Scepter is unsure. Most games blink aghs bkb or blink bkb aghs
Death Prophet Glimmer Cape, Core Items? NO
Doom Enchanted Mango for Jungling? no
Doom Shift to carry build: Silver Edge, Moon Shard? no
Dragon Knight Glimmer Cape? no
Faceless Void How to build up his attack speed? same as always
Invoker New Skill Build? no
Legion Commander Silver Edge worthwhile? Shadow Blade still has a mana cost that chips off LC. no
Lone Druid Mjollnir still good on Bear or just rush Moon Shard first (thus Moon Shard is Extension)? never moon shard
Meepo Glimmer Cape or is that just a cutesy/novel idea? no
Mirana Chang Mirana's Skill Build to be less noob-friendly, but more expected way to be played? dunno what skill build is
Naga Siren Aghanim's Scepter situationally worthwhile for Naga Siren? technically support naga makes 42% heal in full ult but no its bad
Nature's Prophet Aghanim's Scepter still sounds iffy, thoughts? bad
Nature's Prophet Glimmer Cape for Core - Pusher? NO
Night Stalker Aghanim's Scepter is decent, but I find it isn't prioritized. it should be
Oracle Eul's Scepter Situational? no
Oracle Solar Crest Core? NO
Skywrath Mage Can't find anything to really change for him, neither as midlane or roamer, suggestions? isnt he fine
Sniper Nothing to really change? He's just been nerfed + Mask of Madness nerf. mom is probably bad now since u relied on that MS really badly
Templar Assassin Glimmer Cape as Situational Items? NO
Undying Lotus Orb situational? Any validity in that? actually the stats are good on undying but the item is permanently situational
Ursa Item build needs massive reworking since his ult and strength no longer accounted for. not really u still build blink bkb hex/basher with lifesteal in there often. its not like skadi is bad just because the hp doesnt give u damage its still good
Ursa Thinking Solar Crest could have a higher priority of core or extension... no
Viper Glimmer Cape core instead of Mekansm? Magic Resist not really needed however. no
Weaver Max Geminate Attack now? no
Windranger Change to Slahser's Build? yes
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