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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-17 18:35:51
March 17 2015 18:30 GMT
#3241
After ~15 days (March 2nd to March 17th), we have risen from 62,551,003 to 65,005,837combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,454,834
Average Growth of subscribers is 436,838.49
Growth Percentage is 3.89%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Gyrocopter (Middle) (775)
  2. Warlock (Middle) (617)
  3. Brewmaster (Middle) (597)
  4. Lina (Middle) (441)
  5. Alchemist (Middle) (253)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Sven
  3. Necrophos
  4. Nyx Assassin (Middle)
  5. Juggernaut previously ranked 6th


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Troll Warlord (Middle) (19,815 -> 51,166)
  • Winter Wyvern (255,831 -> 297,989)
  • Juggernaut (800,570 -> 845,505)
  • Sand King (818,491 -> 842,200)
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (1,290,902 -> 1,315,730)


Newly Released Guides:



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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 17 2015 18:35 GMT
#3242
  • Growth of Subscribers still manages to stay at 2 million growth since August 3rd.
  • Growth Rate Percentage drops to 3.89%, a continued drop in 2015.

  • 11.83% of last month's unique players [11,112,698] are subscribed to the Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide
  • Three guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: Sven (951,439 subs), Necrophos (942,786), Nyx Assassin (Middle) (921,449).
  • Juggernaut Outclasses Sand King officially with a 845,505 subscription total.

  • Top 26 guides are approx. 700k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million in a guide)
  • Top 43 guides are approx. 600k subscribers or higher each (up to 1 million in a guide)
  • Top 68 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 91 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 110 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 119 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
  • Top 129 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-20 08:15:56
March 20 2015 08:10 GMT
#3243
Warlock (Mid) - Fatal Bonds description should not mention using it for lane harassment. Alternatively, Fatal Bonds be taken before level 13.

Similarly the introduction shouldn't mention "early-game" Fatal Bonds.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 20 2015 09:08 GMT
#3244
On March 20 2015 17:10 Buckyman wrote:
Warlock (Mid) - Fatal Bonds description should not mention using it for lane harassment. Alternatively, Fatal Bonds be taken before level 13.

Similarly the introduction shouldn't mention "early-game" Fatal Bonds.


I need to update Warlock as a whole, I had a tab of notes to update but couldnt find it
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-21 14:18:35
March 21 2015 12:13 GMT
#3245
Warlock (Middle)
Removed Bottle
Removed Arcane Boots
Added Boots of Speed to Early Game
rearranged item tab sections
Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items

Warlock (Lane)
New Build: W Q W Q W R W E E E R E Q Q R (1. Shadow Word 2. Upheaval 3. Fatal Bonds)
Removed Arcane Boots
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Added Rod of Atos of Situational Items
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 21 2015 12:13 GMT
#3246
On March 20 2015 17:10 Buckyman wrote:
Warlock (Mid) - Fatal Bonds description should not mention using it for lane harassment. Alternatively, Fatal Bonds be taken before level 13.

Similarly the introduction shouldn't mention "early-game" Fatal Bonds.


I'm seeing either a lot of priority farming for Warlock, which isn't reasonable in public games or flat-out delaying Fatal Bonds to 17.

With Middle, most are leveling E as a follow-up to a fast 6.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
March 21 2015 17:00 GMT
#3247
Not the point.

The descriptions for mid Warlock assume he's a side lane support, as in "During the early-game, his Fatal Bonds with his high-base damage makes him any carry's best friend and annoyance to the enemy team".

Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 21 2015 17:20 GMT
#3248
Your second statement states that Fatal Bonds be taken before level 13.
This is one of your two points made.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-21 22:07:49
March 21 2015 21:02 GMT
#3249
Tried Warlock mid strictly by the guide. Midas made sure the level 3 ult + Aghs was timely, Offering -> Upheaval did a ton in teamfights, and I didn't really miss Fatal Bonds before 13. The only thing I really missed was Force Staff.

Farm space didn't seem to be a problem despite our greedy team comp, which included a jungle Prophet and safe-lane Drow. Although that may have been the Drow getting starved instead. Golem drops let me farm very aggressively afterwards at low risk.

Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2015 22:53 GMT
#3250
I actually just played a game myself. Went very smoothly, but I had priority offlane farm.

I might add late-game boots to the guide.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 25 2015 15:50 GMT
#3251
Surprisingly not finding too many things to be dated right now. Some minor check-ups I need to do but thus far, things feel satisfactory.
Issue releases in two weeks, so I'm a bit crunched but still paying attention to sweeping changes.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 18:14:30
March 25 2015 18:01 GMT
#3252
For Windranger FF at 6 seems reasonable now too because the mana cost is so low and the extra 100 attack speed makes it more significant especially vs towers (If I'm looking at it right with 0 IAS it went from dealing +66% dps at rank 1 to +100%dps).

(I edited out a question about RoB as it's quite popular on the hero).
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 25 2015 18:17 GMT
#3253
Basi is still fine for offlane WR, though it's just one of several mana options (offlane Bottle, SR being the other choices). FF at 6 kind of depends, because while it can be good, offlane WR usually doesn't get scenarios where you get to use it till level 8/9, since if you're still just in a 1vX laning situation, you probably won't get solo-kill attempts or chances to break tower at level 6/7. Mid definitely takes FF at 6 because of the greater solo-kill threat and chances to participate in a gank.

It's possibly getting to the point where you'd want to differentiate between WR mid and offlane, since mid usually has the farm to make the DPS transition earlier (with something like Mael Agha Blink MKB), and skills somewhat differently since you're more or less guaranteed to get Bottle.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
March 25 2015 18:23 GMT
#3254
On March 26 2015 03:17 TheYango wrote:
Basi is still fine for offlane WR, though it's just one of several mana options (offlane Bottle, SR being the other choices). FF at 6 kind of depends, because while it can be good, offlane WR usually doesn't get scenarios where you get to use it till level 8/9, since if you're still just in a 1vX laning situation, you probably won't get solo-kill attempts or chances to break tower at level 6/7. Mid definitely takes FF at 6 because of the greater solo-kill threat and chances to participate in a gank.

It's possibly getting to the point where you'd want to differentiate between WR mid and offlane, since mid usually has the farm to make the DPS transition earlier (with something like Mael Agha Blink MKB), and skills somewhat differently since you're more or less guaranteed to get Bottle.


Yeah I guess splitting the guides would make the current build make more sense. I can see delaying the ult from the offlane, but with the guide being completely generic it seemed odd.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 19:23:10
March 25 2015 19:22 GMT
#3255
I can make a mid-Windranger guide and remove the Phantom Lancer Mid guide (which should have been removed from months ago).

Trying to avoid making too many split guides. An even 150 with all the heroes released in my dream.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 25 2015 19:40 GMT
#3256
Heroes with split guides right now: Alch, AA, Axe, Beastmaster, BS, Brew, Doom, DK, Earth Spirit, ET, Ember, Gyro, Kunkka, LC, Leshrac, Lifestealer, Lina, LD, Lycan, Naga, Nyx, PL, Phoenix, Shadow Shaman, Silencer, Skywrath, Slark, Sniper, Tiny, Troll, Tusk, Ursa, Warlock, Weaver

AA - remove mid (mid hasn't been suitable for him for a while, as much as I like playing it)
Earth - remove mid (hasn't been a mid hero really since the remake, is pretty much exclusively support and sometimes offlane)
ET - remove mid (repeated Spirit nerfs made this a shitty mid hero because Spirit doesn't do enough damage to make pressure against anyone--mostly support or offlane now)
PL - remove mid, as you mentioned

Sniper/Troll you can combine the guides because how you pick items/skills don't differ by enough between mid and safe lane. Sniper should be max Shrapnel, then Take Aim, with Headshot last in both cases.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 19:56:33
March 25 2015 19:49 GMT
#3257
Phoenix split guide isn't useful either. The only difference is whether or not you buy a RoP at the beginning, but the middle guide still recommends tranquil boots first so there's no reason to not go to lane with the RoP.

Though my understanding was torte doesn't like to compress guides because you just straight up lose whomever is subbed to them. If that's the case I'd say just leave 1 WR guide because she seems like she could compress back into one guide at some point either by gaining popularity in a single lane role or by just going straight up DPS items regardless of position (i.e. mael agh's from offlane).
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 25 2015 19:56 GMT
#3258
I think Mek is probably more sustainable from mid due to you getting a Bottle, but yeah otherwise the guides aren't that different for Phoenix too.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 20:10:52
March 25 2015 20:05 GMT
#3259
On March 26 2015 04:56 TheYango wrote:
I think Mek is probably more sustainable from mid due to you getting a Bottle, but yeah otherwise the guides aren't that different for Phoenix too.


Well also overall you convinced me it's probably best to just "suck it up" and get mek if your team isn't going to. Though I still cheat and don't get it sometimes. I also generally just get midas -> mek a lot and have a delayed mek because I trust my ability to win a game via early 16 more than by having the faster mek (which probably isn't correct, but it feels nice).

I just end up not casting sun ray as much and farming less with fire spirits until later on which really stinks in some ways, but you can usually manage something at least.

If Mek is going to get bumped back in somewhere prominent it probably should be both on mid and offlane. (Though mek is always really hard for guides since it's a hierarchy of who should get it).
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
March 25 2015 20:37 GMT
#3260
PL lane guide should max doppelganger over phantom rush i think. max doppel lets you farm the jungle ridiculously fast especially compared to phantom rush
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