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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 27 2015 11:24 GMT
#3281
honest question but, do ppl actually care about the data
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-27 11:34:53
March 27 2015 11:26 GMT
#3282
On March 27 2015 20:24 ahswtini wrote:
honest question but, do ppl actually care about the data


Most importantly, it is of interest for me, but some here enjoy reading the 15 day summary updates. This is the data to support it.

In the past, I've had people doubt the numbers, so this is a precaution as well. Also serves as a projection for milestone blog posts (like at the 40 million mark, we could accurately predict 100 million subscriptions by October)

In short, most don't, but many others like to discredit.

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/471436-1-year-40-million-dota-builds-project-overview
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
March 27 2015 11:51 GMT
#3283
Phase on support warlock? You crazy mon
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 27 2015 12:02 GMT
#3284
i was gonna say it was core warlock...but then i saw chick and wards
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 27 2015 12:08 GMT
#3285
On March 27 2015 21:02 ahswtini wrote:
i was gonna say it was core warlock...but then i saw chick and wards


It's support, it isn't realistic to expect warlock to get a core role in a pub match. I've gotten it maybe once.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
March 27 2015 16:41 GMT
#3286
I got safelane warlock exactly once (my team didn't pick a single traditional hard carry except mid so it ended up being me). I think by the end of the match I was drunk on power.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 27 2015 16:46 GMT
#3287
On March 27 2015 21:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 21:02 ahswtini wrote:
i was gonna say it was core warlock...but then i saw chick and wards


It's support, it isn't realistic to expect warlock to get a core role in a pub match. I've gotten it maybe once.

Then why do you have phase boots?

You're more likely to get phase boots on mid warlock than on Support, since phase is a decent 1v1 laning item. But most of the time on either you're going to stay on brown boots.

Midas should also still be on the support guide, even if it's not core.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 27 2015 16:48 GMT
#3288
On March 28 2015 01:46 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 21:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
On March 27 2015 21:02 ahswtini wrote:
i was gonna say it was core warlock...but then i saw chick and wards


It's support, it isn't realistic to expect warlock to get a core role in a pub match. I've gotten it maybe once.

Then why do you have phase boots?

You're more likely to get phase boots on mid warlock than on Support, since phase is a decent 1v1 laning item. But most of the time on either you're going to stay on brown boots.

Midas should also still be on the support guide, even if it's not core.


When I get off the train I will update
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 09:47:31
March 27 2015 16:57 GMT
#3289
Warlock (Middle)
Removed Bottle
Removed Arcane Boots
Added Boots of Speed to Early Game
rearranged item tab sections
Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items

Warlock (Lane)
New Build: W Q W Q W R W E E E R E Q Q R (1. Shadow Word 2. Upheaval 3. Fatal Bonds)
Removed Arcane Boots
Added Boots of Speed to Core Items
Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Added Arcane Boots to Situational Items
Added Rod of Atos of Situational Items

Sven
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items

Sniper (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot)
Removed Core Items Tab
Removed Power Treads
Removed Satanic
Moved Manta Style to Situational Items
Added Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Removed Maelstrom

Sniper (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot)
Removed Core Items Tab
Removed Power Treads
Removed Satanic
Moved Manta Style to Situational Items
Added Sange & Yasha to Core Items
Removed Maelstrom

Phantom Lancer
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Phantom Lance 2. Doppelganger 3. Phantom Rush)

Tusk
Removed Orb of Venom
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Removed Shadow Blade

Earth Spirit (Middle)
Removed Magic Wand
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Added Power Treads to Core Items

Earth Spirit (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Geomagnetic Grip 2. Boulder Smash 3. Rolling Boulder)
Removed Bottle
Remove Iron Branch
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items


Guides Switched
Skywrath Mage (previously Middle)
Skywrath Mage (previously Lane)

Deleted Guide
Tusk (Middle)

Deleted Guide
Phantom Lancer (Middle)
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 28 2015 16:47 GMT
#3290
So who exactly is starting Null Talisman on mid Earth that gave you this questionable idea?

He's not even an Intel hero.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 28 2015 16:55 GMT
#3291
I forget which Dotabuff I saw it on, but I wanted to change the starting items to something that will alleviate the difficulty in last hitting for him.

Though Stout Shield sounds like a better idea.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 03:56:40
March 29 2015 03:45 GMT
#3292
Tried Clockwerk. I was perpetually short on mana regen for most of the game with both phase/no mek and arcanes/mek. I could compensate with much fewer scouting rockets, but I feel like scouting rockets are half the point of the hero to begin with.

Math: If I want to keep a full combo's mana in reserve, and have just Wand+Blademail for +Int, at level 11 I can afford to use 4 rocket flares per base trip plus about one every 30 seconds. Fair enough.

If I need to combo someone and don't go back to base afterwards, I need to skip rocket flares for over 3 minutes to regain my combo. Not good. Granted, I probably get a couple of wand charges, but not 300 mana worth.

TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 07:45:49
March 29 2015 07:45 GMT
#3293
Bottle's situational and helps and you should regardless be in the habit of sending clarities when playing low base mana + low mana cost heroes.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 30 2015 10:45 GMT
#3294
Stats coming in 3 days
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 30 2015 12:20 GMT
#3295
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=414209388 -- Greyshark is back making guides again, he's posted two up.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=240952972 -- eXplosion as well, two new ones are up.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 18:19:06
March 30 2015 18:17 GMT
#3296
Ugh that veno guide... I get so mad at Veno Shadowblade pick-ups. Seeing it followed by HotD would be infuriating. Doubly so without at least a value point in wards.

So glad your veno guide isn't anything like that one haha.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 30 2015 20:43 GMT
#3297
Yeah, I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry that these are your closest competitors.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 30 2015 21:01 GMT
#3298
Cry because the entire system is broken regardless.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-31 06:00:30
March 31 2015 05:38 GMT
#3299
I don't think I will be able to get any contributor badges for you guys.
Valve asks if I've shipped any content in-game, but they follow-up by asking if I've shipped any items.

I mean, the guides are part of the workshop, they go through a similar process of ratings, they get featured on the Steam Client and they are considered "content".

  • Is it an item? No.
  • Do I make money off of it like shipped items? No.
  • This doesn't make the project any less of a contribution, but I do feel it deserves equal unpaid reward such as tickets to The International for everyone who's helped make this project.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 31 2015 08:40 GMT
#3300
good on you for trying tho
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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