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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-03 23:40:18
April 03 2015 23:22 GMT
#3321
On April 04 2015 04:46 TheYango wrote:
How much does being "in the meta" matter for people using these guides though?

Like, I have no experience with 2.5-3k MMR pubs, but below a certain point I feel like picks would stop following high-level trends. By the time a player is good enough to be seeing Troll every game, I'd expect them to be good enough to exercise their own judgement rather than blindly following a guide.


Yeah this seems untrue to me.

I mean all you need to do is look at dotabuff. >4k or whatever comprise less than 5% of games, but troll is still one of the most picked heroes in dota, with like top3 winrate. Those numbers have to come from the great unwashed.

There obviously are some MMR effects. Tinker, for example, was never particularly cancerous outside the top games because most people couldn't really play him. Earth Spirit is and always will be in the same boat.

In general, though, anytime someone's checked hero winrates vs bracket, the effects have been pretty minor. In fact I'd argue the sniper/troll/jug/axe thing is the most lowskill-pub flavoured meta we've ever seen.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-04 16:53:55
April 04 2015 15:19 GMT
#3322
Necrophos
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items

Drow Ranger
Added Helm of the Dominator to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to after Manta Style

Phantom Assassin
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Stifling Dagger 2. Blur 3. Phantom Strike)
Added Quelling Blade to Early Game
Added Ring of Aquila to Early Game
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
April 04 2015 16:29 GMT
#3323
i think u should do something about PA skill build if it's like above. having 7 points in dagger seems odd?

Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R seems like what u meant it to be?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 04 2015 16:53 GMT
#3324
yes thanks
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 07 2015 11:08 GMT
#3325
Feeling a bit burned out recently. I'm looking into adding another guide or two that is relevantly different.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 11 2015 22:09 GMT
#3326


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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 12 2015 01:11 GMT
#3327
there hasn't been much new stuff in the current meta except for MoM stats spectre which is questionable

time to wait for the next patch?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 12 2015 11:01 GMT
#3328
On April 12 2015 10:11 BluemoonSC wrote:
there hasn't been much new stuff in the current meta except for MoM stats spectre which is questionable

time to wait for the next patch?


Hopefully it comes after my work trip to Madrid
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 13 2015 14:53 GMT
#3329
Hopefuly it doesn't come because patches this close to TI are bullshit.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 13 2015 15:01 GMT
#3330
On April 13 2015 23:53 TheYango wrote:
Hopefuly it doesn't come because patches this close to TI are bullshit.


I want to create at least two more guides before next patch I think

I think a patch right about now is okay.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 13 2015 15:02 GMT
#3331
there will like 95% be a new major patch before ti5
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 13 2015 15:08 GMT
#3332
On April 14 2015 00:02 ahswtini wrote:
there will like 95% be a new major patch before ti5

yeah
3 months lead time to TI is plenty imo too
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 13 2015 15:17 GMT
#3333
I just wonder if they will drop it before or after the qualifiers.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 13 2015 15:52 GMT
#3334
before
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 13 2015 15:58 GMT
#3335
if qualifiers are gonna be in the last week of may, then the patch will probably drop before
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 16:05:11
April 13 2015 15:58 GMT
#3336
On April 14 2015 00:02 ahswtini wrote:
there will like 95% be a new major patch before ti5

I know there will be one, I just think it's bullshit for there to be one that close.

On April 14 2015 00:08 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 00:02 ahswtini wrote:
there will like 95% be a new major patch before ti5

yeah
3 months lead time to TI is plenty imo too

Seeing as TI4 more or less had what ended up being considered the strongest strategy of the version catch a ton of major teams off-guard at the event, I'd say it wasn't enough time for the version to get figured out.

IDK, it's a difference of opinion I have with a lot of people because some people like a major tournament being on a version that isn't completely figured out because it rewards the teams that "figured out" the patch. I think it just leads to shit DotA games because you get games where good teams literally lose at the draft because they didn't practice one of the key heroes in the version (e.g. EG completely writing off DP in 6.81 which ended up burning them pretty much from start to finish).
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 13 2015 16:09 GMT
#3337
I don't think there is a perfect time to release the patch pre-TI. If they release to far in advance, it could get figured out or the meta could get into a rut. If they release it to late, we get issues like what Yango is talking about.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 13 2015 16:11 GMT
#3338
do you think icefrog is asking pros if they want a new patch?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 13 2015 19:14 GMT
#3339
Typically not I assume
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 14:13:00
April 14 2015 14:12 GMT
#3340
Just checked the stats, 500,000 more and we'll hit 70 million.
So around Friday we should hit it.
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