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Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 12:17:55
November 23 2015 12:16 GMT
#11301
On November 23 2015 16:59 bluegarfield wrote:
^ RIP T____T
I want a cube case but wobbling is something I cant stand. I guess I have to go back to CM HAF XB
any other cube that is worth looking at?

I like the Carbide Air 540, it's really good. I don't have one myself but I've been looking into it to replace my current one if I feel the need.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 12:57:09
November 23 2015 12:49 GMT
#11302
i'm guessing you're going itx? i didn't have any psu issues with a phantom phenom m case.
not sure about other cases but the gpu clip works very securely on the mentioned case
fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
November 23 2015 12:52 GMT
#11303
are you using the ITX one? Supposedly better in its internal layout with the mATX version of the phenom M I'm running being somewhat... difficult :D
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bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 16:02:23
November 23 2015 16:00 GMT
#11304
corsair 540 has the 2 cd bay cutout that i dont like. from YouTube review the 540 seems to be much sturdier than 240, so may have to consider that again. I am trying to go itx build, but with matx case and cube design, since my newly completed build for a friend was with bitfenix prodigy case, and i dont think i am patient enough for itx case. haf xb looks really great actually, but it's bigger than corsair 240. and placing itx board inside atx case looks a bit dumb, so much empty space.

it's always easy to help my friends choose parts and case, but I've never been able to decide on my own case yet
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dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 17:21:24
November 23 2015 16:38 GMT
#11305
On November 23 2015 15:22 IceHism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2015 09:57 dabom88 wrote:
Current PC's giving me a lot of problems. Want to build one, and would a list of parts to help me accomplish my goals.

What will you be doing with this PC? Be as specific as possible, and include specific games or programs you will be using.

What I'm looking for is a computer that can Capture and play the latest games at at least 1080p/60fps at maxed settings, and stream at at least 720p/60fps (preferrably also at 1080/60, but not required). At the same time, if possible. Game at 1080, or maybe even 1440p at maxed settings when I'm not capturing/streaming.

My current crap computer's been giving me a lot of problems lately. Lately, when I'm doing something even a little memory intensive like watching a Twitch stream, the audio stutters and the computer freezes. Can't move the mouse, or use ctrl alt del, so it requires a manual restart. Decided that I want a computer that can capture/stream more quickly now, as I've been wanting one since SC2 was released, but have been unable to afford it, or really need a new computer for non-work purposes until now.

I don't know how much that's going to cost me, but I want try and get a ballpark figure so I can start saving towards a goal now. I want at least an i7 quad core of some sort. I also want to Overclock. Other than that, I don't have much I REALLY want to have.

What is your maximum budget before rebates/shipping/taxes?

Basically, I don't really know how much I'm going to spend yet. I would like to know the parts that can accomplish my goals above and would like an estimate as to how much it's going to cost me. Go over options, etc.

When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Note: beyond a week or two from today means any build you receive will be out of date when you want to buy.

Whenever I can get the money to. Probably on Cyber Monday, which is why I'm posting this here now so I can get suggestions throughout the week.

What, exactly, do you need included in the budget? (Tower/OS/monitor/keyboard/mouse/etc)

Don't include anything else other than the parts for the computer itself.

Which country (and state/province) will you be purchasing the parts in? If you're in US, do you have access to a Microcenter location?

US, Southern California. And yes I have access to a Microcenter.

Will you be overclocking? If yes, are you interested in overclocking right away, or down the line? CPU and/or GPU?

I am interested in OC'ing both.

Are there any specific features or items you want/need in the build? (ex: SSD, large amount of storage or a RAID setup, CUDA or OpenCL support, etc)

500 GB SSD. As mentioned above, want at least a Quad Core i7 of some sort, and probably at least 16GB of RAM.

Do you have any specific case preferences (Size like ITX/microATX/mid-tower/full-tower, styles, colors, window or not, LED lighting, etc), or a particular color theme preference for the components?

Probably a mid-tower or full-tower of some sort. No color preferences.

Do you need a copy of Windows included in the budget? If you do need one included, do you have a preference?

Nope.

Extra info or particulars: Thanks for any help you can provide me with.

I posted this to r/buildapcforme and got some suggestions:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JBkVNG
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QBkVNG
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RsdKjX

How do they look to you? How do they compare, and which one should I go with and why?


I'd go with this one
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QBkVNG
mostly cause it has a pretty good liquid cooler that can oc better than the evo 212 and has skylake. may want to get ddr4-3000 memory but meh, not too much difference at the end.

The thing is that you can get a computer that does what you want ranging from 1300-1800. It's not like you need an i7 for streaming and since you only want 60 fps on 1080p resolution, then you don't necessarily need a fury x or 980 ti but those are really good cards for future proofing.


With local capture at the same time? I really don't know the spec requirements for streaming/capturing at different resolutions. I'm also planning on doing some video editing on it.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
November 23 2015 16:44 GMT
#11306
Dumping a file to your HDD as you're streaming doesn't add any performance hit, nvenc is also great for local capturing at higher bitrates with basically 0 performance hit
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 23 2015 17:01 GMT
#11307
Currently looking at GTX 970 and either i5-4690 or i7-4790. In the current moment, I'm of the mind that i5 is the better value. But if I'm planning to sit on whichever CPU I get till at least 2020, is investing the extra $100 worth? Like are games heading towards being able to make use of 8 cores/hyperthreading in the near future, or does the i5 still win out?
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carmon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
November 24 2015 00:46 GMT
#11308
Which video card do you guys think is the better deal? The r9 290 for 175$ or the r9 390 for 255$?
Panzemek
Profile Joined November 2015
13 Posts
November 24 2015 01:31 GMT
#11309
What would I regret if I got this build? PC Part Picker list

I'm going to go cheap where I can, but I still don't have a great sense of what pitfalls I will run into by doing so. My best guide when deciding quickly right now are the online reviews.
fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
November 24 2015 01:40 GMT
#11310
Most likely the SSD, its as entry level budget ssd as it gets.... but its still going to be faster than a hdd. No idea, haven't really encountered the sandisk ssd plus before :0
But everything else looks decent enough to work at first glance, even the cheap MB (compatibility is fine, features seem fine for your spec)

You get what you pay for and for this money its a damn fine spec :0
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St_Michael
Profile Joined July 2012
United States73 Posts
November 24 2015 01:53 GMT
#11311
Hello guys,

I just have a quick question...

A while back I built my first PC thanks to the amazing help I got from this thread (thanks again!), but I recently read about new GPUs using Pascal (someone posted about it a few pages back). I ended up going with a GTX 980 in my build, because I figured it would stay relevant for a while. I understand that new tech is coming out all the time, but what I've read about these new GPUs makes it sound like they are way better or something. I have been shopping around for a 4k screen as well, and I want to play games like Star Wars in 4k if possible, but I had hoped the 980 I have would be sufficient.

Anyway, I just wanted to know the truth about these Pascal cards, and if they are even priced to be consumer gaming cards, and are they going to be necessary for running games in 4k and stuff in the near future?

Thanks!
GL to new Liquid LCS team!
fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
November 24 2015 02:57 GMT
#11312
"near future".. Pascal cards have just been announced, release might be Q1 or even 2 of 2016, so no idea
HBM is going to hike the prices up for its novelty and most probably only feature on the highest end cards in the lineup.

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whobbes
Profile Joined September 2015
1 Post
November 24 2015 05:18 GMT
#11313
Hey, I am planning to build a computer but I do not know much about what are the best parts. I just want nice general computer. Thanks

Budget - $1000 but if something is really needed I am willing to pay a little more
Monitor - I plan to get a 22 inch monitor
I plan to play League and sc2 on high settings
I do not intend to overclock
I do not intend to SLI / Crossfire
I do not need an operating system
I do not need any other peripherals besides the monitor
I do not have any brand preferences
I will be buying parts in the U S of A,
I would prefer to buy stuff on Newegg altogether but anywhere is fine

Thanks for all your help!
Panzemek
Profile Joined November 2015
13 Posts
November 24 2015 06:16 GMT
#11314
I'm not the sort who can give a proper build recommendation, but you won't need $1000 just for League and SC2 on high. Do you expect to do anything more intensive in the future? How long do you plan to use this computer before upgrading?
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-24 07:00:10
November 24 2015 06:38 GMT
#11315
On November 24 2015 10:31 Panzemek wrote:
What would I regret if I got this build? PC Part Picker list

I'm going to go cheap where I can, but I still don't have a great sense of what pitfalls I will run into by doing so. My best guide when deciding quickly right now are the online reviews.


from pcpartpicker: "Unable to verify the Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case has sufficient space to fit the Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card." I check both website, no idea either. the drive cage may block it.

with H81 motherboard, you need to update bios in order to use it with 1231v3 i think. So that might be troublesome if you don't want to do it or don't know how to do it.

little info on the power supply either. but i doubt it will catch fire or anything.

On November 24 2015 14:18 whobbes wrote:
Hey, I am planning to build a computer but I do not know much about what are the best parts. I just want nice general computer. Thanks

Budget - $1000 but if something is really needed I am willing to pay a little more
Monitor - I plan to get a 22 inch monitor
I plan to play League and sc2 on high settings
I do not intend to overclock
I do not intend to SLI / Crossfire
I do not need an operating system
I do not need any other peripherals besides the monitor
I do not have any brand preferences
I will be buying parts in the U S of A,
I would prefer to buy stuff on Newegg altogether but anywhere is fine

Thanks for all your help!


Something like i5 + R9 380 should fit the needs and budget. Something generic like this could do http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GNGvrH
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 24 2015 09:24 GMT
#11316
On November 24 2015 15:38 bluegarfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 10:31 Panzemek wrote:
What would I regret if I got this build? PC Part Picker list

I'm going to go cheap where I can, but I still don't have a great sense of what pitfalls I will run into by doing so. My best guide when deciding quickly right now are the online reviews.


from pcpartpicker: "Unable to verify the Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case has sufficient space to fit the Gigabyte Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card." I check both website, no idea either. the drive cage may block it.

with H81 motherboard, you need to update bios in order to use it with 1231v3 i think. So that might be troublesome if you don't want to do it or don't know how to do it.

little info on the power supply either. but i doubt it will catch fire or anything.



bios might need to be updated... however my brother purchased the exact mobo about a year ago and ran with an i7-4790k out of the box.
double check the manufacturer's website but i'd expect them to be up to date. (i've also been using the same mobo for 3 years without issue)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-24 10:16:58
November 24 2015 09:25 GMT
#11317
On November 24 2015 02:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Currently looking at GTX 970 and either i5-4690 or i7-4790. In the current moment, I'm of the mind that i5 is the better value. But if I'm planning to sit on whichever CPU I get till at least 2020, is investing the extra $100 worth? Like are games heading towards being able to make use of 8 cores/hyperthreading in the near future, or does the i5 still win out?


If you're keeping it for 5 years and not overclocking, you probably don't care about some game running 10% or even 20% faster on different hardware (at the cost of a loss of performance/dollar)

On November 24 2015 09:46 carmon wrote:
Which video card do you guys think is the better deal? The r9 290 for 175$ or the r9 390 for 255$?


290 wins perf/dollar by a mile, 390 is a rebrand of the same GPU that doesn't add anywhere near enough to justify charging 46% more

On November 24 2015 10:53 St_Michael wrote:
Hello guys,

I just have a quick question...

A while back I built my first PC thanks to the amazing help I got from this thread (thanks again!), but I recently read about new GPUs using Pascal (someone posted about it a few pages back). I ended up going with a GTX 980 in my build, because I figured it would stay relevant for a while. I understand that new tech is coming out all the time, but what I've read about these new GPUs makes it sound like they are way better or something. I have been shopping around for a 4k screen as well, and I want to play games like Star Wars in 4k if possible, but I had hoped the 980 I have would be sufficient.

Anyway, I just wanted to know the truth about these Pascal cards, and if they are even priced to be consumer gaming cards, and are they going to be necessary for running games in 4k and stuff in the near future?

Thanks!



Pascal is just the codename for the next generation of GPU's. Progress has been kinda slow recently - everybody has been using the same 28nm process for 3 full years. Pascal (and arctic islands? I forgot the AMD codename) is the gen that goes to ~16nm with hbm2 memory on the high end and probably gddr5x on the low end and is expected to be a big performance increase for both low power and high power GPU's.

It's very plausible for it to be twice as fast as current high end (which is already ~1.4x stronger than 980) and VRAM capacity will probably go to 16GB on the high end too, as the tech can support 32GB.

Here's an example of performance change the last time a node change was done with significant architectural improvements too: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1444?vs=1441

And an example of performance change recently, when Nvidia switched from Kepler to Maxwell without a new node and without access to any more memory bandwidth: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1441?vs=1496

Since they're getting a LOT more bandwidth (3x) and new node, the changes in Pascal wouldn't even have to be very good to have closer to 2x performance instead of 1.4 - 1.5x over 980ti (which would put it twice as fast as a 980 anyway).

Pascal cards have just been announced
It's actually been coming for a really long time, was just talked about a little more recently

You don't -NEED- a high end recent GPU to play at 4k, but a lot of people like to use them for increased settings and FPS on more demanding games. Playing on something with half or even one third of the performance of the latest flagship does limit your options a bit. GPU's generally stay relevant for a while, but not as long as other hardware - and the 970/980 in particular were never real flagships or using new tech.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-24 21:05:45
November 24 2015 20:56 GMT
#11318
I have a question on mixing RAM, I currently have RAM that has the following characteristics

DDR3
DRAM: 1333MHz
Timing: 9-9-9-24
CAS Latency: 9
Voltage: 1.5V

would it be possible to add in more RAM of a different brand that has all the same characteristics except for a DRAM frequency of 1600MHz and not have anything go wrong?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-24 21:43:54
November 24 2015 21:42 GMT
#11319
faster RAM would be set to the same lower speed
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
carmon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-25 08:54:18
November 25 2015 02:30 GMT
#11320
Well the 290 sold out...trying to decide on a 970 or a 390 for the same price of 235$. What do you guys think?

edit- the 290 reference cards are back in stock and I can pick one up for 150$. From what I hear these get hot and are picked up if one plans to get an aftermarket cooler or water cooling. I don't really want to dish out additional money for either (rather get a 390 instead if that is the case), so anyone with experience on how big of an issue it is to stick with stock cooling?
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