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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
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SleepTech
United States222 Posts
What is your budget? My budget is about $1000-1300. Looking for about 128gb SSD for OS. Will probably grab another HDD to backup my current 2TB HDD. What is your monitor's native resolution? I have dual monitors at 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I play pretty much anything blizzard, but mainly WoW. I have an i5-2500 currently with a 560ti GPU and get some stuttering in WoW in big raid fights towards the beginning when everything is going off. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Web browsing and normal day to day stuff. Do you intend to overclock? Probably will this time around yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Not really. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg probably, or amazon. | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On November 26 2015 03:02 SleepTech wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok. Looking in to building a new computer. What is your budget? My budget is about $1000-1300. Looking for about 128gb SSD for OS. Will probably grab another HDD to backup my current 2TB HDD. What is your monitor's native resolution? I have dual monitors at 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I play pretty much anything blizzard, but mainly WoW. I have an i5-2500 currently with a 560ti GPU and get some stuttering in WoW in big raid fights towards the beginning when everything is going off. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Web browsing and normal day to day stuff. Do you intend to overclock? Probably will this time around yes Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Not really. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg probably, or amazon. @SleepTech: at the price point, probably look at i5-6600k and just overclock the hell out of it with some good cooler. Generic build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Qyr6Jx A bit too sleepy to know what I am doing, but basically that's one big ass cooler that sure works well. RAM can drop to 8GB depending on your usage, but your blizzard games wont use that much. I picked random case that doesn't look ugly. For GPU, at US$1300 point, you can look to buy GTX970. edit: change generic build to gtx960 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
and get some stuttering in WoW in big raid fights towards the beginning when everything is going off. That's because of CPU and your upgrade path would be a 6600k + overclock if possible - it's also worth noting that a lot of stuttering issues are caused by addons. A single one like Recount (worst offender i had) can turn your game into a stuttery mess with 15+ players even on the best hardware while Skada will not For GPU, I am not sure what setting you are aiming at, but a R9 380 can handle blizzard games on high quite well I think. Nvidia runs WoW stuff way faster (was ~1.5x) than AMD graphics because of dx11 driver CPU efficiency, been that way for a year and a half and might be that way forever since they are ignoring the problem 970 is a good buy but min FPS will be similar even on a 960 if you're playing max with shadows on minimum (which is the raid performance config) and also nh-d15 with a 6600k is just asking to be @1.4vcore, 55c  which isn't neccesarily a bad thing, you just don't -have- to pay for it | ||
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carmon
United States220 Posts
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On November 26 2015 05:17 Cyro wrote: That's because of CPU and your upgrade path would be a 6600k + overclock if possible - it's also worth noting that a lot of stuttering issues are caused by addons. A single one like Recount (worst offender i had) can turn your game into a stuttery mess with 15+ players even on the best hardware while Skada will not Nvidia runs WoW stuff way faster (was ~1.5x) than AMD graphics because of dx11 driver CPU efficiency, been that way for a year and a half and might be that way forever since they are ignoring the problem 970 is a good buy but min FPS will be similar even on a 960 if you're playing max with shadows on minimum (which is the raid performance config) and also nh-d15 with a 6600k is just asking to be @1.4vcore, 55c which isn't neccesarily a bad thing, you just don't -have- to pay for itmy bad, totally forgot about the dx11 thingy with AMD sorting by price on newegg for cooler show a lot of popular ones missing prices. so it was either hyper212 or nh-d15, and if it fit the budget why not ^^ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20318 Posts
my bad, totally forgot about the dx11 thingy with AMD doesn't affect that many games in a big way but WoW is one of the worst | ||
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Capresis
United States518 Posts
I can't get a desktop due to lack of space, so I intend this to be my one and only computer to use many hours a day. Hopefully will last me about 2 years. Budget:$1000 Games: If it can run Dota 2, CS:GO, SC2 at 30+fps at low settings, fantastic. Other Uses: Just basic everyday stuff. Storage: 240 SSD, 500 HD RAM: 8 OS: Windows 8+ Screen Size: 14" - 18" Location: USA Other: Weight / battery life / touchscreen are more or less irrelevant. My current soulmate Toshiba Tecra M11-S3440 CPU: i5 M 520 GPU: NVS 2100M RAM: 8gb Memory: 256gb Some things I've looked at: HP Envy 17T Price:$725 CPU: i7-5500U GPU: 4GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M RAM: 16GB Memory: 1TB Lenovo Flex 3 Price:$630 CPU: i5-6200U GPU: Integrated RAM: 8GB Memory: 1TB Acer Aspire Nitro Black Edition VN7-571G-719D Price:$900 CPU: i7 5500U GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950M 4 GB RAM: 8GB (supports 16) Memory: 1TB I've spent hours looking at specs and comparing processors and gpu's at cpuboss and I came to the conclusion I just don't know what I'm doing and need help. Can someone please? (: Anything else I need to say? | ||
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
Would this cut it? Proposed Build Standard answers below: What is your budget? Depend on the needs! Ideally $1500 What is your monitor's native resolution? Needs to be 4K What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft, CS:GO, Hearthstone (Nothing intense) What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Video editing, photo editing Do you intend to overclock? Yes, but not crazy Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? If it helps for rendering, yes Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes. Yes. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Intel/Nvidia What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Online, Fry's, Microcenter | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On November 27 2015 18:39 Capricis wrote: + Show Spoiler + Looking to get a good laptop during Black Friday / Cyber Monday. By God I wish I started looking earlier. Overwhelmed by choice and ignorance. Please advise! I can't get a desktop due to lack of space, so I intend this to be my one and only computer to use many hours a day. Hopefully will last me about 2 years. Budget:$1000 Games: If it can run Dota 2, CS:GO, SC2 at 30+fps at low settings, fantastic. Other Uses: Just basic everyday stuff. Storage: 240 SSD, 500 HD RAM: 8 OS: Windows 8+ Screen Size: 14" - 18" Location: USA Other: Weight / battery life / touchscreen are more or less irrelevant. My current soulmate Toshiba Tecra M11-S3440 CPU: i5 M 520 GPU: NVS 2100M RAM: 8gb Memory: 256gb Some things I've looked at: HP Envy 17T Price:$725 CPU: i7-5500U GPU: 4GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M RAM: 16GB Memory: 1TB Lenovo Flex 3 Price:$630 CPU: i5-6200U GPU: Integrated RAM: 8GB Memory: 1TB Acer Aspire Nitro Black Edition VN7-571G-719D Price:$900 CPU: i7 5500U GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950M 4 GB RAM: 8GB (supports 16) Memory: 1TB I've spent hours looking at specs and comparing processors and gpu's at cpuboss and I came to the conclusion I just don't know what I'm doing and need help. Can someone please? (: Anything else I need to say? not sure how integrated GPU in skylake handles those game, it might be able to get low setting 30fps but driver and game optimization might be painful. So best is just stay away if you have other option. Of HP and Acer, those 2 can and should deliver those games at at least low-medium setting 60fps. Acer is slightly stronger, but more expensive. The HP one is big though, 17inches can be quite a hassle if you plan to carry it around, but bigger screen is more pleasant for movies and stuff if your laptop just sit on your table. I would pick either the HP and Acer depending on size and cost. Other than that I am not very familiar with laptop market anymore to recommend any other options. cheers | ||
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
Short description of the project here: update as much as possible a computer with 400€. So, the question is what is the most important part to update as everything is not possible. Actual computer: - Intel Q6600 - 4Go DDR2 - Radeon HD6870. I intend to keep PSU, HDD, DVD writer, and that's it. Maybe keep GPU also if not possible to upgrade in that budget. What is your budget? My budget is about €400. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Heroes of the storm, Fallout 4 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Web browsing and normal day to day stuff. (copy/pasterino from previous request, no twitch meme even here?) Do you intend to overclock? Sounds like a no. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes I do, gonna be tough. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Not really. What country will you be buying your parts in? France If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. LDLC (give 'em more money to save esport), materiel.net, amazon... Thanks a lot . Would sent much internet $ to anyone helping.Edit: thanks a lot for the reply, would love to continue the conversation faster but my brother (owner of the rig) does not answer regarding his PSU, so I'm stuck right now :/. | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On November 28 2015 00:22 SChlafmann wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hello dear TL members, Short description of the project here: update as much as possible a computer with 400€. So, the question is what is the most important part to update as everything is not possible. Actual computer: - Intel Q6600 - 4Go DDR2 - Radeon HD6870. I intend to keep PSU, HDD, DVD writer, and that's it. Maybe keep GPU also if not possible to upgrade in that budget. What is your budget? My budget is about €400. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Heroes of the storm, Fallout 4 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Web browsing and normal day to day stuff. (copy/pasterino from previous request, no twitch meme even here?) Do you intend to overclock? Sounds like a no. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes I do, gonna be tough. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Not really. What country will you be buying your parts in? France If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. LDLC (give 'em more money to save esport), materiel.net, amazon... Thanks a lot . Would sent much internet $ to anyone helping.Disclaimer: Here comes the I-have-no-idea-what-I-am-doing moment. Also, french is hard. Firstly, can you put some info about your current PSU, that would help a lot in seeing which GPU may fit the upgrade. Ok, so the parts prices are referred from materiel.net. Sorry there are too many benchmarks to dig around, and most benchmark for HD 6870 are games at ultra setting, but it definitely cant run fallout 4 ultra, and some other modern games at ultra, so very hard to compare benchmark. I just go with approximate comparison and gut feeling. Option 1: upgrade everything to some modern low end that still fit the budget. + Show Spoiler + i3-4160 http://www.materiel.net/processeur-socket-1150/intel-core-i3-4160-106475.html h81 cheapest mobo http://www.materiel.net/carte-mere-socket-1150/msi-h81m-p33-94940.html 8gb ram http://www.materiel.net/barrette-memoire-pour-pc/g-skill-value-ddr3-8-go-pc12800-nt-84383.html gtx 960 yolo http://www.materiel.net/carte-graphique/pny-geforce-gtx-960-2-go-112576.html total: €419.37 ok it actually exceed the budget. but it will perform much better than your current system, even play fallout 4 with average 60fps@1080p/medium. Downside is that you are pretty much stuck with this, and the only sensible near-future upgrade will be adding more ram. Can also consider upgrading to haswell i5 or upgrade gpu again, but I doubt you want to do that after just fork out such amount of money to buy new stuff. if you really cant exceed the budget, consider dropping down to gtx950] http://www.materiel.net/carte-graphique/msi-geforce-gtx-950-oc-2-go-119007.html or even R7 370 http://www.materiel.net/carte-graphique/sapphire-radeon-r7-370-dual-x-oc-2-go-117033.html however, with Radeon card current PSU may be an issue. Option 2: upgrade 1 part first, then try to save up a lot to upgrade the other part. + Show Spoiler + Honestly I have little idea how HD 6870 will perform with fallout 4 at medium/low setting. What I found in benchmark is that a R9 270X can reach >= 60fps fallout 4 1080p/medium/low and it is 1.6~2x faster than HD 6870. So if you are lucky, your current HD 6870 might manage 30fps. This "I dont know". because HD6870 only have 1GB VRAM. With this assumption, I will go upgrade CPU/Mobo/RAM first. i5-4460 http://www.materiel.net/processeur-socket-1150/intel-core-i5-4460-102134.html same mobo as op1 h81 cheapest mobo http://www.materiel.net/carte-mere-socket-1150/msi-h81m-p33-94940.html same ram as op1 8gb ram http://www.materiel.net/barrette-memoire-pour-pc/g-skill-value-ddr3-8-go-pc12800-nt-84383.html total: €291.38 can use the extra budget to get better motherboard, upgrade your PSU as well, etc. Or just save up until you can afford a nice GPU as listed in option 1. However, I really doubt this works, I mean it's a really old GPU. But then if you upgrade to R9 380 or something better, the Q6600 CPU will likely bottleneck, especially in resource hungry game like fallout 4, and blizzard heroes of the storm being reliant a lot on CPU. edit: actually you can spend €50 more and grab this bundle http://www.materiel.net/kit-d-evolution-pc/materiel-net-rokit-launcher-121954.html#FicheDesc like latest gen stuff. but that leaves you with €60. save up some months and grab yourself a new good GPU as mentioned. edit2+3: actually upgrading GPU first make more sense. Get a GTX960 or new PSU + R9 380. Your Q6600 probably drag itself along ok. GPU upgrade will likely see more performance improvement. err, I kinda ran out of idea for now. Will do some research and update later. anyway, if you decide that this €400 will be your 1 time upgrade and nothing else in near future (may be within a year), then go with option 1. If you plan to save up more and do more small gradual upgrade, then go with option 2. edit x times: oh, I totally missed the OS requirements. Windows 7/8/10 costs like €130 minimum. I dont know then, may be get windows + gtx960. that will fit €400 nicely. Or, find a way to reuse the windows in your current machine (hopefully it's win7 or 8), then do a free upgrade to windows 10. Or | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
What is your budget? About $1000 USD What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? League, SC2, almost any MMO on the highest settings possible. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming any of the above mentioned games. Do you intend to overclock? No but I wouldn't mind giving it a go if it's a far superior choice to do so. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Not really. Most familiar with newegg, tigerdirect and ncix though. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($270.99 @ NCIX US) Case: Corsair SPEC-03 White ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($58.98 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($29.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC) Total: $941.99 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-27 14:17 EST-0500 This what i currently have so far. I've noticed PCpart picker isn't the greatest at dealing with items that you need to add to cart to have an updated price but I could use some extra opinions. | ||
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
On November 28 2015 04:19 Ethelis wrote: + Show Spoiler [Budget and Questions from OP] + What is your budget? About $1000 USD What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? League, SC2, almost any MMO on the highest settings possible. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming any of the above mentioned games. Do you intend to overclock? No but I wouldn't mind giving it a go if it's a far superior choice to do so. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Not really. Most familiar with newegg, tigerdirect and ncix though. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($270.99 @ NCIX US) Case: Corsair SPEC-03 White ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($58.98 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($29.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC) Total: $941.99 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-27 14:17 EST-0500 This what i currently have so far. I've noticed PCpart picker isn't the greatest at dealing with items that you need to add to cart to have an updated price but I could use some extra opinions. No point getting a Z170 motherboard with a processor that can't overclock | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On November 28 2015 04:33 Ethelis wrote: Im terrible with mobos, what would you suggest? May be this http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-h170plusd3 Not like you can save much. Z170 also means that you can buy an unlock K processor in the future without having to change motherboard, so upgradeability is there. Also I would change PSU to this http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze better quality, but not modular though. For some reason, I cant find the M12ii series, SF golden green or any cheap but good 450-550W PSU on pcpartpickers. You dont need 600W, 450W is enough. Just that for quality PSU this one is cheapest, so may as well | ||
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Panzemek
13 Posts
The build! (Plus the speakers, which for some reason weren't on the site, and some SATA cables cause I almost forgot and would have felt really dumb.) So! In the event that I buy this build, what am I sad about? It's $15 under budget after tax and shipping and everything, which is very nice. For anyone in the US, is there any reason at this point to wait for Cyber Monday? Is there anything that it looks like I haven't tried hard enough to find discounts? I'm gonna still be looking for a few hours to see what I may have missed, but it will be with the assumption that this is probably within about $25 of the absolute minimum price I might be able to manage. Edit: Another question, how much should I care about 80+ versus 80+ Bronze certification on PSUs? Say the difference is $5 more for a Bronze certification, would that pay out in efficiency/longevity? | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
On November 28 2015 04:51 bluegarfield wrote: May be this http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-h170plusd3 Not like you can save much. Z170 also means that you can buy an unlock K processor in the future without having to change motherboard, so upgradeability is there. Also I would change PSU to this http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii620bronze better quality, but not modular though. For some reason, I cant find the M12ii series, SF golden green or any cheap but good 450-550W PSU on pcpartpickers. You dont need 600W, 450W is enough. Just that for quality PSU this one is cheapest, so may as well Sorry for the late reply but I did change my build, thanks for the help. | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On November 28 2015 06:36 Panzemek wrote: All right, things are getting exciting now, sports fans! Have a potential final build here after a couple of shake-ups, the most notable of which being to restrict the purchases to just Amazon and Newegg. There are two reasons for that: 1) The other sites were not reporting their shipping costs, making the pcpartpicker list inaccurate (and pissing me off), and 2) It's just easier for the person that the build is for. So, in the build, anything that is listed as a different site will be purchased at Newegg or Amazon instead. The build! (Plus the speakers, which for some reason weren't on the site, and some SATA cables cause I almost forgot and would have felt really dumb.) So! In the event that I buy this build, what am I sad about? It's $15 under budget after tax and shipping and everything, which is very nice. For anyone in the US, is there any reason at this point to wait for Cyber Monday? Is there anything that it looks like I haven't tried hard enough to find discounts? I'm gonna still be looking for a few hours to see what I may have missed, but it will be with the assumption that this is probably within about $25 of the absolute minimum price I might be able to manage. Edit: Another question, how much should I care about 80+ versus 80+ Bronze certification on PSUs? Say the difference is $5 more for a Bronze certification, would that pay out in efficiency/longevity? Pretty sure motherboard box includes enough SATA cable, so don't need to buy extra. For PSU, it can be just me being paranoid, since it has to do with electric stuff, but that PSU is unlikely to fail, although quality is slightly lower than other expensive units. | ||
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Introvert
United States4850 Posts
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