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On September 11 2015 05:05 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
I have pretty minimal understanding of memory and how it works, but I think that in the situation of, let's say 1833 vs 1600 DDR3 on the same system, depending on the CL, the 1600 can outperform the 1833. At the least, it would significantly reduce the performance benefits, although I do not know what the difference in latency would need to be to make a significant impact.
Correct.
On September 11 2015 05:05 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
EDIT: Wooooooooooooowwww... a $30 difference between the 4690K and the 6600K. And about the same on the motherboard, so yeah, it's just not worthwhile to build the outdated system. Thanks for pointing that out to me.
Skylake unlike with older GPU older CPU doesn't really have a reduction in price when new things come out, don't ask me why but if I dared to guess I would assume it's because people who want to upgrade or replace their CPU but not have to buy an entirely new motherboard+ram combo to do so gives old CPU value still until they entirely sell out. This is not the case with graphics cards.
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Intel never reduces their CPU prices when releasing new stuff
AMD and Nvidia do for graphics cards, but they're fairly competitive (unlike intel vs amd for CPU's) so they usually both see price drops but when a new generation is released, they try to sell all of the old GPU's quickly to get rid of stock
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When gpu's get outdated they really get outdated (new generation performs much better), but cpu's, not much. Not enough that an average Joe user would notice.
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Okay, so I'm looking to build a new PC and have a budget of around $750. I can go a little over that if it's REALLY worth it. I used this site to give me a basic idea of what I'm looking at but I have absolutely no idea if this is good or not.
Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core
Stock CPU Cooler (Bundled with CPU)
MSI H81M-E34 Micro ATX LGA1150
Patriot Signature 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB WINDFORCE
Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX
So, is this a good build or could I do better? I'm sorry that I am a complete scrub when it comes to computers.
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What will be the main use of computer? What is your monitor's resolution? Take a look at the questions in the first post.
There should be i3 4170's around for same price. A near free point 1 ghz upgrade.
GTX 950 maybe considered successor to 750ti as budget performer. I'm not sure about how much is the price difference though.
PSU and case is unnecessarily too big for i3+budget gpu+single hdd.
Throw in a 120gb ssd for installing os.
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On September 11 2015 17:48 mantequilla wrote:
What will be the main use of computer? What is your monitor's resolution? Take a look at the questions in the first post.
There should be i3 4170's around for same price. A near free point 1 ghz upgrade.
GTX 950 maybe considered successor to 750ti as budget performer. I'm not sure about how much is the price difference though.
PSU and case is unnecessarily too big for i3+budget gpu+single hdd.
Throw in a 120gb ssd for installing os.
Main use is gaming, native resolution is 1600x900. Wide variety of games, but don't need max'd settings. Don't really want to overclock, but can do it if it's really worth it. Don't need anything else fancy since I'm a noob. I have a monitor but I want to buy a 2nd one. I'm in Canada.
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Then my suggestions stand 
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On September 11 2015 18:13 mantequilla wrote:Then my suggestions stand
Okay, so adding your suggested graphics card adds about another $40, adding a SSD ads another ~$70 to it. So I'm looking at a $ 870 machine. This website includes Windows 10 in that. What would you suggest for a case if that one is too big?
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I mistook your case as full ATX tower, sorry. Take a look at the parts: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/JWNRP6
I don't think you need 80+gold 550w fully modular for a budget build.
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Advice on where to get a laptop? Pretty much just looking for a 13-14 inch laptop with 1600x900 or better resolution and an i3/i5 with integrated graphics for <$500
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Anything from a big e-tailer or the manufacturer website. Note that laptops of the specs listed mostly don't exist because the laptop market is retarded and apparently there aren't enough buyers for sub-$600 or so laptops with anything better than 1366x768, and 15.6" is the size of choice for that price point.
The Asus Transformer Book Chi T300 has a 12.5" 1920x1080 screen with a Core M (Broadwell gen, so liken it to an ultra-low-power mobile Core i5 on a very strict power/thermals budget; on the plus side, this means the device is fanless here) for under $500.
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Transformer-Book-T300-Signature/dp/B00UPKMXIC/
The base Lenovo Edge 15 has a 15.6" 1920x1080 screen with a low-power Core i3 (Broadwell gen) for $500 now with promo code USPE15US827:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/flex-series/edge-15
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There should be i3 4170's around for same price. A near free point 1 ghz upgrade.
4170 is a refresh CPU so isn't supported on the first bios's that came with h81 boards, usually not worth the hassle since you can't bios upgrade without a compatible CPU
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On September 12 2015 01:03 Myrmidon wrote:Anything from a big e-tailer or the manufacturer website. Note that laptops of the specs listed mostly don't exist because the laptop market is retarded and apparently there aren't enough buyers for sub-$600 or so laptops with anything better than 1366x768, and 15.6" is the size of choice for that price point. The Asus Transformer Book Chi T300 has a 12.5" 1920x1080 screen with a Core M (Broadwell gen, so liken it to an ultra-low-power mobile Core i5 on a very strict power/thermals budget; on the plus side, this means the device is fanless here) for under $500. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Transformer-Book-T300-Signature/dp/B00UPKMXIC/The base Lenovo Edge 15 has a 15.6" 1920x1080 screen with a low-power Core i3 (Broadwell gen) for $500 now with promo code USPE15US827: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/flex-series/edge-15
Okay good I thought I was crazy because I was having trouble finding stuff in that criteria. I looked around lenovo, what do you think of the Z41 at $549?
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/z-series/z41/?sb=:000001C9:000156D1:
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On September 12 2015 01:13 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +There should be i3 4170's around for same price. A near free point 1 ghz upgrade. 4170 is a refresh CPU so isn't supported on the first bios's that came with h81 boards, usually not worth the hassle since you can't bios upgrade without a compatible CPU
That's why I included a h97 board with my pcpartpicker list. I couldn't find a complete list showing which haswell's are refresh and which are not, but I'm kinda sure 4160-4150 is too refresh. highest non-refresh i3 was 4130 iirc.
http://www.msi.com/support/mb/H81M-P33.html#support-cpu 4160-4170 works with 1.6, 4150 with 1.4, 4130 with vanilla 1.0. It's a bit messy but stocks should be updated by now.
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On September 12 2015 01:23 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:03 Myrmidon wrote:Anything from a big e-tailer or the manufacturer website. Note that laptops of the specs listed mostly don't exist because the laptop market is retarded and apparently there aren't enough buyers for sub-$600 or so laptops with anything better than 1366x768, and 15.6" is the size of choice for that price point. The Asus Transformer Book Chi T300 has a 12.5" 1920x1080 screen with a Core M (Broadwell gen, so liken it to an ultra-low-power mobile Core i5 on a very strict power/thermals budget; on the plus side, this means the device is fanless here) for under $500. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Transformer-Book-T300-Signature/dp/B00UPKMXIC/The base Lenovo Edge 15 has a 15.6" 1920x1080 screen with a low-power Core i3 (Broadwell gen) for $500 now with promo code USPE15US827: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/flex-series/edge-15 Okay good I thought I was crazy because I was having trouble finding stuff in that criteria. I looked around lenovo, what do you think of the Z41 at $549? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/z-series/z41/?sb=:000001C9:000156D1:
Specs are decent enough for the price, though a 500 GB 5400 rpm laptop hard drive may make some users commit sudoku.
I've never seen a Lenovo Z series in person, and it doesn't seem to be a popular model. A review one config of the older Z40 is not all that positive:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Z40-59422614-Notebook-Review.123819.0.html
As expected in that price range, build quality is not very good. It never is. But there are many differences with the reviewed model and the Z41 as listed there: the review model is using an older-gen processor with low-end discrete graphics, a lower-end screen model (so this says nothing about how good the 1920x1080 display is in the Z41), different storage, and a larger battery (32 W*h on the Z41 is pretty skimpy, though that's without discrete graphics and with a CPU/GPU on 14 nm), among other things.
Personally I think I'd rather get a much cheaper, low-end, Atom-based tablet or convertible or spend up to the ~$650 range on the lowest-end Asus Zenbook or something like that. Depends on usage though, really.
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On September 12 2015 03:07 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:23 decafchicken wrote:On September 12 2015 01:03 Myrmidon wrote:Anything from a big e-tailer or the manufacturer website. Note that laptops of the specs listed mostly don't exist because the laptop market is retarded and apparently there aren't enough buyers for sub-$600 or so laptops with anything better than 1366x768, and 15.6" is the size of choice for that price point. The Asus Transformer Book Chi T300 has a 12.5" 1920x1080 screen with a Core M (Broadwell gen, so liken it to an ultra-low-power mobile Core i5 on a very strict power/thermals budget; on the plus side, this means the device is fanless here) for under $500. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Transformer-Book-T300-Signature/dp/B00UPKMXIC/The base Lenovo Edge 15 has a 15.6" 1920x1080 screen with a low-power Core i3 (Broadwell gen) for $500 now with promo code USPE15US827: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/flex-series/edge-15 Okay good I thought I was crazy because I was having trouble finding stuff in that criteria. I looked around lenovo, what do you think of the Z41 at $549? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/z-series/z41/?sb=:000001C9:000156D1: Specs are decent enough for the price, though a 500 GB 5400 rpm laptop hard drive may make some users commit sudoku. I've never seen a Lenovo Z series in person, and it doesn't seem to be a popular model. A review one config of the older Z40 is not all that positive: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Z40-59422614-Notebook-Review.123819.0.htmlAs expected in that price range, build quality is not very good. It never is. But there are many differences with the reviewed model and the Z41 as listed there: the review model is using an older-gen processor with low-end discrete graphics, a lower-end screen model (so this says nothing about how good the 1920x1080 display is in the Z41), different storage, and a larger battery (32 W*h on the Z41 is pretty skimpy, though that's without discrete graphics and with a CPU/GPU on 14 nm), among other things. Personally I think I'd rather get a much cheaper, low-end, Atom-based tablet or convertible or spend up to the ~$650 range on the lowest-end Asus Zenbook or something like that. Depends on usage though, really.
Yeah the harddrive there kinda worried me. Main usage would just be netflixing/browsing and being able to do some light gaming (league of legends) when traveling. Would an Atom-based convertible be able to handle that?
Cheapest zenbook does look like pretty much exactly what I want but I don't mind sacrificing a bit on form factor and performance for a lower price as 650$ seems a bit overkill for what I'm looking for the machine to do lol
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On September 12 2015 00:07 decafchicken wrote:
Advice on where to get a laptop? Pretty much just looking for a 13-14 inch laptop with 1600x900 or better resolution and an i3/i5 with integrated graphics for <$500
A used thinkpad is pretty cheap
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On September 12 2015 02:17 mantequilla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 01:13 Cyro wrote:There should be i3 4170's around for same price. A near free point 1 ghz upgrade. 4170 is a refresh CPU so isn't supported on the first bios's that came with h81 boards, usually not worth the hassle since you can't bios upgrade without a compatible CPU That's why I included a h97 board with my pcpartpicker list. I couldn't find a complete list showing which haswell's are refresh and which are not, but I'm kinda sure 4160-4150 is too refresh. highest non-refresh i3 was 4130 iirc. http://www.msi.com/support/mb/H81M-P33.html#support-cpu 4160-4170 works with 1.6, 4150 with 1.4, 4130 with vanilla 1.0. It's a bit messy but stocks should be updated by now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i3_microprocessors#.22Haswell-DT.22_.2822_nm.29
The 4340 is 3.6ghz original haswell i3, but it's priced a bit higher and has better integrated graphics when compared to the refresh CPU's
support-cpu 4160-4170 works with 1.6, 4150 with 1.4, 4130 with vanilla 1.0. It's a bit messy but stocks should be updated by now.
The problem is just that you need a guarantee that the motherboard you're recieving has a bios capable of supporting the CPU. Otherwise there's a chance that it doesn't and then your only option is to send it back and get a different one unless you have a friend with an original haswell CPU to plug it in and bios update.
Best to go with either a launch haswell CPU or a board that straight out of the box supports the refresh CPU's for that reason. I don't doubt that it'd work a lot of the time, but it's a huge inconvenience if it doesn't
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How do you understand which ones are refresh? From release date only?
I got a 4160 but was able to tell the seller to install newest bios before shipping it, it's a big inconvenience if it does not work. Better get a h97 board then. 4340 is 25 ish more expensive. 80ish in Canada :O
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How do you understand which ones are refresh? From release date only?
That's the easiest guaranteed way to check without googling around
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