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On October 05 2013 21:39 Incognoto wrote:Yeah I did a bit more research. Both cards are really close in value it's actually a pretty tough call. Anyway, I need advice for something a bit weird, this is a PC I'm thinking of building: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
Hard to say. Let's say 500€ but we could go over. This shouldn't be too expensive.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1650x1050. I'll be getting a monitor probably.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
No games aside maybe some FS2004. I won't be getting a video card I don't think it's needed.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
I'll get to that after this part since it's a bit complicated.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yeah
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Monitor, yes. Sound card is also required I think. Maybe something else but I'm not sure yet. It will be in the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No
What country will you be buying your parts in?
France
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
amazon.fr
So, this is the idea of the computer I'm planning on building. My dad always expressed the desire to have a sound system that he could control remotely from his bed. Basically, there are two nice speakers in his room, if he wants to play an album, he has to get out of bed, take the CD, pop it in, etc. Fuck that. The idea is that the music is on a hard drive (or SSD, I'll get to that later). From his bed with a remote (maybe an ipod or some shit like that? idk), he could choose what music to play. The system would then play the music which is on the hard drive on the speakers. Now, I realize that such a thing probably already exists (probably needs an ipod or something). However, I want it to be a desktop PC with a good sound card instead of a dedicated sound system. This is because in our house, our laptops for some reason can't connect to the ethernet network in rooms far from our router. However, both my old desktop and my new desktop can connect to that ethernet network. So I have access to the internet from my room with my desktop whereas my parents with their laptops are forced to go downstairs and use the wifi in the kitchen. I want my parents to have internet in their bedroom and I know that a desktop motherboard with its ethernet drivers has the ability to connect the network properly whereas laptops (for some reason) can't. I want the hard drive to be an SSD because I want my parents to be impressed with how their new desktop will load all of its shit really fast. My parents don't game so a graphics card won't be needed. I think the only game my dad might play would be Flight Simulator 2004, which is a pretty old game, so I think the integrated graphics of a good motherboard should be sufficient. Since the PC will only be used for playing music (on a great sound card though, I also have yet to choose a good one) and browsing the web, it doesn't really need high-end parts. I've been thinking of using a low end Ivy-Bridge processor. It's a generation older so it's cheaper than a low end Haswell processor and it's not like this system needs amazing performance (maybe I should get a low end Haswell?). The SSD will work to make the computer feel very fast. My current build (sound card will change once I figure out what's a good buy): http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1L4xqi3-3220: Since it's a PC for web-browsing and music playing, I really think that only 2 cores are needed. It should also run the computer quite nicely. I want the PC to feel really fast but it doesn't need a lot of power for that. MSI B75MA-E33: Just a motherboard which should hold everything together. It has a slot for the sound card we're getting and it might fit a video card if some day we need one (probably not). 4 Gb of RAM: Should be more than sufficient for this build. Samsung 840 Series 120 Gb SSD: The only storage on this computer will be the SSD because I think the only thing this computer will be storing is music and perhaps some pictures. Probably no games. Thing is, we already have external HDs and if this computer ever needs more storage it's not like it would be complicated to just buy another HD. Sound Card: Not sure what it's going to be yet but it should be a card that plays music in really high quality. This card should also allow the PC to hook up to the speakers or already-existing sound system (not sure how it's going to play out, this part). Fractal Design Core 1000: Cheapest case worth anything? I was really happy with mine when I built my last PC. DVD Writer: Will be essential for getting all the music my parents have on CDs (there's quite a fuckton tbh) on the hard drive. Antec Earthwatts EA-380D: HUGE OVERKILL. Seriously couldn't find a PSU with lower wattage more adapted to this PC. I also need a high-quality budget monitor. Seriously, for what this PC is going to do it doesn't need a great monitor. A good one at a low price would be good, though I'm probably better off asking in the monitor thread. Now, I'm pretty sure that everything I've described up until now should be feasible without any problem whatsoever, except for the interface. I'm not sure how my dad could control the PC from his bed and I'm not sure how he could see what music he's choosing on a (standard) monitor. This is where I'm stumped and I'm really looking for solutions. Cheers, sorry for walls of text. Edit: I mean something like this actually: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.rozkovec.android&hl=enGoogle gave me something to work with but I would still rather hear what actual people have to say.
Get an AMD A series, super cheap and pretty good graphics performance. 4gb ram is fine, get an SSD if you are going to be turning it on and off but if its just going to be on forever then put a big hdd in.
Also get a nice HTPC case so it looks like a dvd player or something.
When i built a year or so ago the IR on motherboards was complete crap, and a usb ir reciever is easy to get and works well. The logitech harmony remote is a great buy if you are going to be controlling more than one device. Windows media centre is good if you go the IR remote route.
If you are just controlling the computer then put xbmc on (media player) and get xbmc remote (Works great on android, not sure about apple). Then you just control everything from a smartphone/tablet over wifi, even grab an old smartphone if you have one and make it a dedicated remote. I think it should be possible to turn the computer on from a smartphone as well, I haven't done it before though.
Sound file wise, 320kbps mp3 and .flac are indistinguishable to me through a decent sound system.
Thats all I can think of atm, ask away if you have any more htpc questions.
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I've never had trouble with Newegg returns. You will have to pay restocking fee if you're going to be sending stuff back, but I doubt you get around that anywhere.
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On October 06 2013 16:59 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 21:39 Incognoto wrote:Yeah I did a bit more research. Both cards are really close in value it's actually a pretty tough call. Anyway, I need advice for something a bit weird, this is a PC I'm thinking of building: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
Hard to say. Let's say 500€ but we could go over. This shouldn't be too expensive.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1650x1050. I'll be getting a monitor probably.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
No games aside maybe some FS2004. I won't be getting a video card I don't think it's needed.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
I'll get to that after this part since it's a bit complicated.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yeah
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Monitor, yes. Sound card is also required I think. Maybe something else but I'm not sure yet. It will be in the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No
What country will you be buying your parts in?
France
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
amazon.fr
So, this is the idea of the computer I'm planning on building. My dad always expressed the desire to have a sound system that he could control remotely from his bed. Basically, there are two nice speakers in his room, if he wants to play an album, he has to get out of bed, take the CD, pop it in, etc. Fuck that. The idea is that the music is on a hard drive (or SSD, I'll get to that later). From his bed with a remote (maybe an ipod or some shit like that? idk), he could choose what music to play. The system would then play the music which is on the hard drive on the speakers. Now, I realize that such a thing probably already exists (probably needs an ipod or something). However, I want it to be a desktop PC with a good sound card instead of a dedicated sound system. This is because in our house, our laptops for some reason can't connect to the ethernet network in rooms far from our router. However, both my old desktop and my new desktop can connect to that ethernet network. So I have access to the internet from my room with my desktop whereas my parents with their laptops are forced to go downstairs and use the wifi in the kitchen. I want my parents to have internet in their bedroom and I know that a desktop motherboard with its ethernet drivers has the ability to connect the network properly whereas laptops (for some reason) can't. I want the hard drive to be an SSD because I want my parents to be impressed with how their new desktop will load all of its shit really fast. My parents don't game so a graphics card won't be needed. I think the only game my dad might play would be Flight Simulator 2004, which is a pretty old game, so I think the integrated graphics of a good motherboard should be sufficient. Since the PC will only be used for playing music (on a great sound card though, I also have yet to choose a good one) and browsing the web, it doesn't really need high-end parts. I've been thinking of using a low end Ivy-Bridge processor. It's a generation older so it's cheaper than a low end Haswell processor and it's not like this system needs amazing performance (maybe I should get a low end Haswell?). The SSD will work to make the computer feel very fast. My current build (sound card will change once I figure out what's a good buy): http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1L4xqi3-3220: Since it's a PC for web-browsing and music playing, I really think that only 2 cores are needed. It should also run the computer quite nicely. I want the PC to feel really fast but it doesn't need a lot of power for that. MSI B75MA-E33: Just a motherboard which should hold everything together. It has a slot for the sound card we're getting and it might fit a video card if some day we need one (probably not). 4 Gb of RAM: Should be more than sufficient for this build. Samsung 840 Series 120 Gb SSD: The only storage on this computer will be the SSD because I think the only thing this computer will be storing is music and perhaps some pictures. Probably no games. Thing is, we already have external HDs and if this computer ever needs more storage it's not like it would be complicated to just buy another HD. Sound Card: Not sure what it's going to be yet but it should be a card that plays music in really high quality. This card should also allow the PC to hook up to the speakers or already-existing sound system (not sure how it's going to play out, this part). Fractal Design Core 1000: Cheapest case worth anything? I was really happy with mine when I built my last PC. DVD Writer: Will be essential for getting all the music my parents have on CDs (there's quite a fuckton tbh) on the hard drive. Antec Earthwatts EA-380D: HUGE OVERKILL. Seriously couldn't find a PSU with lower wattage more adapted to this PC. I also need a high-quality budget monitor. Seriously, for what this PC is going to do it doesn't need a great monitor. A good one at a low price would be good, though I'm probably better off asking in the monitor thread. Now, I'm pretty sure that everything I've described up until now should be feasible without any problem whatsoever, except for the interface. I'm not sure how my dad could control the PC from his bed and I'm not sure how he could see what music he's choosing on a (standard) monitor. This is where I'm stumped and I'm really looking for solutions. Cheers, sorry for walls of text. Edit: I mean something like this actually: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.rozkovec.android&hl=enGoogle gave me something to work with but I would still rather hear what actual people have to say. Get an AMD A series, super cheap and pretty good graphics performance. 4gb ram is fine, get an SSD if you are going to be turning it on and off but if its just going to be on forever then put a big hdd in. Also get a nice HTPC case so it looks like a dvd player or something. When i built a year or so ago the IR on motherboards was complete crap, and a usb ir reciever is easy to get and works well. The logitech harmony remote is a great buy if you are going to be controlling more than one device. Windows media centre is good if you go the IR remote route. If you are just controlling the computer then put xbmc on (media player) and get xbmc remote (Works great on android, not sure about apple). Then you just control everything from a smartphone/tablet over wifi, even grab an old smartphone if you have one and make it a dedicated remote. I think it should be possible to turn the computer on from a smartphone as well, I haven't done it before though. Sound file wise, 320kbps mp3 and .flac are indistinguishable to me through a decent sound system. Thats all I can think of atm, ask away if you have any more htpc questions.
Sexy, thanks for the advice. Just now I was actually building a new system around the AR-5300 (which is indeed really cheap) processor and the MSI FM2-A55M-E33 motherboard. Total system cost now is much lower than what I originally had.
I just need to choose a sound card now: http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Lqtp
I was wondering if I couldn't get a PSU/Case hybrid instead. Something that might look nice and cost less than FDC1000 and PSU I'm getting. Thing is, it's hard to not get the Fractal Design Core 1000 because it's so damn cheap and it's a really good case.
I was also indeed planning to get a USB IR receiver, overall they don't seem expensive at all. Something like this, coupled with WMC and 256 or 320 kps music should really do well.
The SSD I'll be getting because this system doesn't need a LOT of storage and I do indeed think that it'll be turned off whenever it's not in use. SSD also means being able to quickly switch between WMC and using normal computer programs (internet browsing and Office Pack stuff). Ideally, they could do all three at once. I'm pretty sure the AMD A4-5300 should handle that.
My parents aren't keen on tablet/android stuff so I'll be sticking to standard PC coupled with an IR remote, I think. No need for xbmc.
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On October 06 2013 18:05 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 16:59 Blaec wrote:On October 05 2013 21:39 Incognoto wrote:Yeah I did a bit more research. Both cards are really close in value it's actually a pretty tough call. Anyway, I need advice for something a bit weird, this is a PC I'm thinking of building: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
Hard to say. Let's say 500€ but we could go over. This shouldn't be too expensive.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1650x1050. I'll be getting a monitor probably.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
No games aside maybe some FS2004. I won't be getting a video card I don't think it's needed.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
I'll get to that after this part since it's a bit complicated.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yeah
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Monitor, yes. Sound card is also required I think. Maybe something else but I'm not sure yet. It will be in the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No
What country will you be buying your parts in?
France
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
amazon.fr
So, this is the idea of the computer I'm planning on building. My dad always expressed the desire to have a sound system that he could control remotely from his bed. Basically, there are two nice speakers in his room, if he wants to play an album, he has to get out of bed, take the CD, pop it in, etc. Fuck that. The idea is that the music is on a hard drive (or SSD, I'll get to that later). From his bed with a remote (maybe an ipod or some shit like that? idk), he could choose what music to play. The system would then play the music which is on the hard drive on the speakers. Now, I realize that such a thing probably already exists (probably needs an ipod or something). However, I want it to be a desktop PC with a good sound card instead of a dedicated sound system. This is because in our house, our laptops for some reason can't connect to the ethernet network in rooms far from our router. However, both my old desktop and my new desktop can connect to that ethernet network. So I have access to the internet from my room with my desktop whereas my parents with their laptops are forced to go downstairs and use the wifi in the kitchen. I want my parents to have internet in their bedroom and I know that a desktop motherboard with its ethernet drivers has the ability to connect the network properly whereas laptops (for some reason) can't. I want the hard drive to be an SSD because I want my parents to be impressed with how their new desktop will load all of its shit really fast. My parents don't game so a graphics card won't be needed. I think the only game my dad might play would be Flight Simulator 2004, which is a pretty old game, so I think the integrated graphics of a good motherboard should be sufficient. Since the PC will only be used for playing music (on a great sound card though, I also have yet to choose a good one) and browsing the web, it doesn't really need high-end parts. I've been thinking of using a low end Ivy-Bridge processor. It's a generation older so it's cheaper than a low end Haswell processor and it's not like this system needs amazing performance (maybe I should get a low end Haswell?). The SSD will work to make the computer feel very fast. My current build (sound card will change once I figure out what's a good buy): http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1L4xqi3-3220: Since it's a PC for web-browsing and music playing, I really think that only 2 cores are needed. It should also run the computer quite nicely. I want the PC to feel really fast but it doesn't need a lot of power for that. MSI B75MA-E33: Just a motherboard which should hold everything together. It has a slot for the sound card we're getting and it might fit a video card if some day we need one (probably not). 4 Gb of RAM: Should be more than sufficient for this build. Samsung 840 Series 120 Gb SSD: The only storage on this computer will be the SSD because I think the only thing this computer will be storing is music and perhaps some pictures. Probably no games. Thing is, we already have external HDs and if this computer ever needs more storage it's not like it would be complicated to just buy another HD. Sound Card: Not sure what it's going to be yet but it should be a card that plays music in really high quality. This card should also allow the PC to hook up to the speakers or already-existing sound system (not sure how it's going to play out, this part). Fractal Design Core 1000: Cheapest case worth anything? I was really happy with mine when I built my last PC. DVD Writer: Will be essential for getting all the music my parents have on CDs (there's quite a fuckton tbh) on the hard drive. Antec Earthwatts EA-380D: HUGE OVERKILL. Seriously couldn't find a PSU with lower wattage more adapted to this PC. I also need a high-quality budget monitor. Seriously, for what this PC is going to do it doesn't need a great monitor. A good one at a low price would be good, though I'm probably better off asking in the monitor thread. Now, I'm pretty sure that everything I've described up until now should be feasible without any problem whatsoever, except for the interface. I'm not sure how my dad could control the PC from his bed and I'm not sure how he could see what music he's choosing on a (standard) monitor. This is where I'm stumped and I'm really looking for solutions. Cheers, sorry for walls of text. Edit: I mean something like this actually: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.rozkovec.android&hl=enGoogle gave me something to work with but I would still rather hear what actual people have to say. Get an AMD A series, super cheap and pretty good graphics performance. 4gb ram is fine, get an SSD if you are going to be turning it on and off but if its just going to be on forever then put a big hdd in. Also get a nice HTPC case so it looks like a dvd player or something. When i built a year or so ago the IR on motherboards was complete crap, and a usb ir reciever is easy to get and works well. The logitech harmony remote is a great buy if you are going to be controlling more than one device. Windows media centre is good if you go the IR remote route. If you are just controlling the computer then put xbmc on (media player) and get xbmc remote (Works great on android, not sure about apple). Then you just control everything from a smartphone/tablet over wifi, even grab an old smartphone if you have one and make it a dedicated remote. I think it should be possible to turn the computer on from a smartphone as well, I haven't done it before though. Sound file wise, 320kbps mp3 and .flac are indistinguishable to me through a decent sound system. Thats all I can think of atm, ask away if you have any more htpc questions. Sexy, thanks for the advice. Just now I was actually building a new system around the AR-5300 (which is indeed really cheap) processor and the MSI FM2-A55M-E33 motherboard. Total system cost now is much lower than what I originally had. I just need to choose a sound card now: http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1LqtpI was wondering if I couldn't get a PSU/Case hybrid instead. Something that might look nice and cost less than FDC1000 and PSU I'm getting. Thing is, it's hard to not get the Fractal Design Core 1000 because it's so damn cheap and it's a really good case. I was also indeed planning to get a USB IR receiver, overall they don't seem expensive at all. Something like this, coupled with WMC and 256 or 320 kps music should really do well. The SSD I'll be getting because this system doesn't need a LOT of storage and I do indeed think that it'll be turned off whenever it's not in use. SSD also means being able to quickly switch between WMC and using normal computer programs (internet browsing and Office Pack stuff). Ideally, they could do all three at once. I'm pretty sure the AMD A4-5300 should handle that. My parents aren't keen on tablet/android stuff so I'll be sticking to standard PC coupled with an IR remote, I think. No need for xbmc.
Sounds good, I have an A8-3870 and that has way more than enough power so the A4-5300 should do fine for your purposes. I would double check for evidence of someone else using that processor for a similar purpose just to be safe though.
I definitely recommend getting a dedicated htpc case, even if it costs a little more. Your parents will like it a lot more if it looks less like a computer and more like a dvd player.
I have an Antec NSK2480B, one of the fans bearings are dying but otherwise its been great if a little expensive.
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A quick google search revealed the A4-5300 has been used without problems in HTPC builds. I'm going to go with this one because it's really cheap and I'm sure that it will be sufficient.
I have found 2 HTPC cases that don't seem too expensive, I might look into them. However, both are easily more than 2 times more expensive than the FDC1000. I'll ask what my mother thinks, in terms of aesthetics she should be a reliable source. One of the good things about the FDC1000 that I like as well is that a hefty hard drive can be added with minimal hassle. Not sure if that's possible with an HTPC case?
Edit: For the sound card, I'm looking into the Asus Xonar series. Unless I'm mistaken, I'll be connection to an amplifier that works for the speakers. Not sure of exact power but I believe it's a bit hefty. RCA input required. I may use adapters I think
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My Q4 2008 PC has served well, but I'm finally going to build a new rig!
+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
~$1000 USD
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I will be getting a new 1920x1080 monitor (not included in the budget.)
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Mainly I play DOTA 2 (will play LotV for a month when it comes out, beyond that... we'll see!). But I also want to be able to play new AAA titles at medium/high settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Media PC/Web Browsing
Do you intend to overclock?
Haven't done it before, but I am willing to give it a try. Don't want to risk shortening the life of my cpu too much though.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No. I will be using Windows 7 Professional.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I want to get a 23"-24" IPS monitor. This is in addition to the $1000 budget. So +$200 or so I guess.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None, I have access to a Microcenter nearby though.
What is your current build?
core 2 duo, radeon 4870, 4gb ram
I'd like to get something around the high-end gamer sample build in the OP. i5 something, 8gb ram, 160-250gb SSD, and at least a 2TB hard drive.
Other note, I am lazy and don't want to do upgrades n' stuff once I build this in case that influences anything. Ready to buy any day now, unless there's some good reason to wait.
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On October 06 2013 11:53 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 11:13 doobielespaul wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey thanks for the reply. I changed the build a bit http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1LhlGThis ram has a CAS rating of 7, I thought was pretty good for the price. I changed the ssd to 840 pro and got a 7970. I also got a VS239H-P, it's an IPS monitor. I fear that the cheaper IPS monitors maybe not be better than expensive LED, I read you can get blurr effects for gaming, I was hoping to get your opinion on this monitor. I couldn't find the U2312HM on ncix. But at this price range, I figured might as well go all the way and not cheap out on parts. I want a computer that will last. If I chose to not overclock, I would change the cpu, remove the cpu cooler and get a cheaper mobo? Would that make the pc less future proof? There's these 2133MHz for $75: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 , http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61213LED is the backlit, all modern monitors have LED backlighting. Ghosting shouldn't be an issue on most modern monitors. If you're sensitive to the issue than you may want to get a 120Hz monitor instead. You buy the U2312HM from Dell directly, it's often on sale for under $200 so that VS239H-P is not attractive at $180. Seasonic M12II 620 is old and is not better than the G series. Coolermaster Storm Enforcer is not better than the Define R4. Samsung 840 Pro is unnecessary. Noctua NH-U14S is better and less expensive. Yes, if you choose not to overclock than you remove the heatsink, change to non-K suffix processor, and get a H87 / B85 / H81 motherboard. You'd get a shorter useful life by not overclocking.
Alright then. What do you recommend as an alternative cheap ssd. Is kingston any good? v300
Went back to G 550(i was afraid of not having enough wattage), grabbed the fractal r2 midi, changed the cooler back to u14s. Found someone on kijiji selling that dell monitor for 170$
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On October 06 2013 22:35 Jonoman92 wrote:My Q4 2008 PC has served well, but I'm finally going to build a new rig! + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
~$1000 USD
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I will be getting a new 1920x1080 monitor (not included in the budget.)
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Mainly I play DOTA 2 (will play LotV for a month when it comes out, beyond that... we'll see!). But I also want to be able to play new AAA titles at medium/high settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Media PC/Web Browsing
Do you intend to overclock?
Haven't done it before, but I am willing to give it a try. Don't want to risk shortening the life of my cpu too much though.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No. I will be using Windows 7 Professional.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I want to get a 23"-24" IPS monitor. This is in addition to the $1000 budget. So +$200 or so I guess.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None, I have access to a Microcenter nearby though.
What is your current build?
core 2 duo, radeon 4870, 4gb ram
I'd like to get something around the high-end gamer sample build in the OP. i5 something, 8gb ram, 250gb SSD, and at least a 2TB hard drive. Other note, I am lazy and don't want to do upgrades n' stuff once I build this in case that influences anything.
Would you like to try to build inside a small case or do you want something normal? There's some very small cases for mATX and ITX sized motherboards that will fit everything you want and you might like the idea of having a small PC case.
On October 06 2013 22:39 doobielespaul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 11:53 skyR wrote:On October 06 2013 11:13 doobielespaul wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey thanks for the reply. I changed the build a bit http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1LhlGThis ram has a CAS rating of 7, I thought was pretty good for the price. I changed the ssd to 840 pro and got a 7970. I also got a VS239H-P, it's an IPS monitor. I fear that the cheaper IPS monitors maybe not be better than expensive LED, I read you can get blurr effects for gaming, I was hoping to get your opinion on this monitor. I couldn't find the U2312HM on ncix. But at this price range, I figured might as well go all the way and not cheap out on parts. I want a computer that will last. If I chose to not overclock, I would change the cpu, remove the cpu cooler and get a cheaper mobo? Would that make the pc less future proof? There's these 2133MHz for $75: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 , http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61213LED is the backlit, all modern monitors have LED backlighting. Ghosting shouldn't be an issue on most modern monitors. If you're sensitive to the issue than you may want to get a 120Hz monitor instead. You buy the U2312HM from Dell directly, it's often on sale for under $200 so that VS239H-P is not attractive at $180. Seasonic M12II 620 is old and is not better than the G series. Coolermaster Storm Enforcer is not better than the Define R4. Samsung 840 Pro is unnecessary. Noctua NH-U14S is better and less expensive. Yes, if you choose not to overclock than you remove the heatsink, change to non-K suffix processor, and get a H87 / B85 / H81 motherboard. You'd get a shorter useful life by not overclocking. Alright then. What do you recommend as an alternative cheap ssd. Is kingston any good? v300 Went back to G 550(i was afraid of not having enough wattage), grabbed the fractal r2 midi, changed the cooler back to u14s. Found someone on kijiji selling that dell monitor for 170$
There's the expensive "840 Pro" from Samsung, but there's also the cheaper "840" and its newer version "840 EVO". Maybe look at those.
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On October 06 2013 22:39 doobielespaul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 11:53 skyR wrote:On October 06 2013 11:13 doobielespaul wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey thanks for the reply. I changed the build a bit http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1LhlGThis ram has a CAS rating of 7, I thought was pretty good for the price. I changed the ssd to 840 pro and got a 7970. I also got a VS239H-P, it's an IPS monitor. I fear that the cheaper IPS monitors maybe not be better than expensive LED, I read you can get blurr effects for gaming, I was hoping to get your opinion on this monitor. I couldn't find the U2312HM on ncix. But at this price range, I figured might as well go all the way and not cheap out on parts. I want a computer that will last. If I chose to not overclock, I would change the cpu, remove the cpu cooler and get a cheaper mobo? Would that make the pc less future proof? There's these 2133MHz for $75: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 , http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61213LED is the backlit, all modern monitors have LED backlighting. Ghosting shouldn't be an issue on most modern monitors. If you're sensitive to the issue than you may want to get a 120Hz monitor instead. You buy the U2312HM from Dell directly, it's often on sale for under $200 so that VS239H-P is not attractive at $180. Seasonic M12II 620 is old and is not better than the G series. Coolermaster Storm Enforcer is not better than the Define R4. Samsung 840 Pro is unnecessary. Noctua NH-U14S is better and less expensive. Yes, if you choose not to overclock than you remove the heatsink, change to non-K suffix processor, and get a H87 / B85 / H81 motherboard. You'd get a shorter useful life by not overclocking. Alright then. What do you recommend as an alternative cheap ssd. Is kingston any good? v300 Went back to G 550(i was afraid of not having enough wattage), grabbed the fractal r2 midi, changed the cooler back to u14s. Found someone on kijiji selling that dell monitor for 170$
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sorry I replied twice, once to myself. I'm a moron when it comes to forums
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You can edit or preview your post until you get the formatting right  . Formatting is pretty much universal across all forums, some just use different words or different symbols, but the syntax is very transferable, so it's a useful skill toi have.
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On October 07 2013 00:30 Rollin wrote:You can edit or preview your post until you get the formatting right . Formatting is pretty much universal across all forums, some just use different words or different symbols, but the syntax is very transferable, so it's a useful skill toi have.
I see what you did there
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On October 06 2013 22:45 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 22:35 Jonoman92 wrote:My Q4 2008 PC has served well, but I'm finally going to build a new rig! + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
~$1000 USD
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I will be getting a new 1920x1080 monitor (not included in the budget.)
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Mainly I play DOTA 2 (will play LotV for a month when it comes out, beyond that... we'll see!). But I also want to be able to play new AAA titles at medium/high settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Media PC/Web Browsing
Do you intend to overclock?
Haven't done it before, but I am willing to give it a try. Don't want to risk shortening the life of my cpu too much though.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No. I will be using Windows 7 Professional.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I want to get a 23"-24" IPS monitor. This is in addition to the $1000 budget. So +$200 or so I guess.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None, I have access to a Microcenter nearby though.
What is your current build?
core 2 duo, radeon 4870, 4gb ram
I'd like to get something around the high-end gamer sample build in the OP. i5 something, 8gb ram, 250gb SSD, and at least a 2TB hard drive. Other note, I am lazy and don't want to do upgrades n' stuff once I build this in case that influences anything. Would you like to try to build inside a small case or do you want something normal? There's some very small cases for mATX and ITX sized motherboards that will fit everything you want and you might like the idea of having a small PC case.
Well, I didn't consider trying a smaller form factor case. I guess if there isn't a disadvantage to it that'd be slightly good. As long as it can fit the video card (since I know those can be pretty big). Also guess it depends if I OC since aftermarket heatsinks (at least the one I have on my current pc) is quite large.
I'd say a smaller case is a plus for me if all else is equal, but not a big consideration.
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Upgrade Question
What is your current build?
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Pro3
Processor: Intel i5-2500
Graphics card: GTX 570
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB 1600MHz
HardDrive: WD black 1tb
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
To be able to play next gen games with 60 fps constant in 1080p
What is your budget?
£700
What country will you be buying your parts in?
England
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
intel/nvidia, other parts not bothered about
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How much VRAM does your 570 have? What's your current PSU model?
My first impression because you're on i5 2500 (locked) is that you might want haswell i5 for overclocking and one of the gpu's with the price drops this month. £227 7970 directcu ii TOP or one of the ones coming down looking appealing
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On October 07 2013 03:31 SpeedyTuyper wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Upgrade Question
What is your current build?
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Pro3
Processor: Intel i5-2500
Graphics card: GTX 570
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB 1600MHz
HardDrive: WD black 1tb
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
To be able to play next gen games with 60 fps constant in 1080p
What is your budget?
£700
What country will you be buying your parts in?
England
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
intel/nvidia, other parts not bothered about
Well the cheapest option would be to get an i5-3570K and HSF then overclock and like a 770 for graphics.
E: cheapest as in not needing a new motherboard.
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I don't really agree with buying into last gen socket, what kinda money savings would you get from that? Edit: Doh, can OC on that board. Missed that. Nevermind, my bad
770 is also a TERRIBLE buy in the UK man, you're paying ~£360 for 4gb version vs £227 for a 7970. Why would you pay over 50% more for the same performance?
With BF4 forcing me to lower textures to play on 1080p >without antialiasing either< i think 2gb VRAM won't be enough for maxing next gen games, even if you could get a 2gb 770 and be fine, it's wrecked by the 7970 at those kinds of prices
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On October 07 2013 03:41 Cyro wrote:
How much VRAM does your 570 have? What's your current PSU model?
My first impression because you're on i5 2500 (locked) is that you might want haswell i5 for overclocking and one of the gpu's with the price drops this month. £227 7970 directcu ii TOP or one of the ones coming down looking appealing
the 570 has 1.2GB vram, I am not sure on the powersupply model. The i5-2500 is not locked and can be overclocked just not as far as the i5-2500k
Also the card you linked I wouldn't use, I have never used amd and do not wish to start now, I am willing to pay extra for a card of the same quality if it is a nvidia card
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2500 is locked. You can run +4bins for 3.8Ghz...
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I'm not sure what you can do with multipliers on the 2500 (couple other people know this!) but there's not that much headroom on base clock. Are you able to control voltages and realistically hit like 4.2ghz+? if so then maybe not worth changing stuff. There's gains to be made on CPU front, but pretty small for the cost. Edit: 3.8 is not anything. 4ghz with 105 baseclock if doable is ok, but it's not quite 4.3 - 4.8, and being back a couple gens hurts you a bit. It's hard to replace, though
On GPU front, http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-273-AS <this is the hot stuff, but amd's releasing new lineup within a few days to a few weeks (staggered a bit iirc) which is mostly refreshed cards, and nvidia is dropping their prices across either the entire lineup or close to it and maybe releasing some new cards soon too that could be of a lot of interest. It's going to be the busiest month in a long time for GPU's
Also the card you linked I wouldn't use, I have never used amd and do not wish to start now, I am willing to pay extra for a card of the same quality if it is a nvidia card
Nvidia's competing offering is right now £350 or so. That card is £227. It's ok to have some preference, but i'd look at reasons pretty closely for that kind of a price gap, or hold out til nvidia's price drops and new GPU's fall into UK because red side made massive massive drops and green waited a long time to do it (this month) and also may not go as far, because they control the high end market right now (£480 780's) so red is trying to hold price:performance at the mid to upper midrange, and right now have control to an extent i've not seen ever from following gpu's
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