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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1L8ec So now it's a tough call to make as both builds are pretty much the same in price. I don't know how good a processor AMD's A4-5300 is, I guess I'll have to go look that up. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 05 2013 19:04 dabom88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hm, well it seems as though Vykro picked a better 750w PSU than I did, so I've modified my build yet again, and it's on the suggested PSU list posted earlier. Also, as per suggested earlier in the thread, I've gone with the U14S Heatsink. PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1L3dJ CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.98 @ Outlet PC) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.19 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($132.98 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($126.92 @ NCIX US) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.00 @ Adorama) Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US) Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($85.87 @ Outlet PC) Total: $1330.91 Hmm? Not sure where you got the idea better from. Rosewill Hive is much worse than Corsair HX. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 05 2013 18:47 Vykromond wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Cyro: What would you recommend dropping the GPU to? I feel like if the 7970 is as good as you guys have been saying, it may be the best way to bulwark against the future if I'm going to use this machine for 2 years and change. I can get an EVGA GeForce 760 for about $250, it looks like; close enough for the $50 savings to be worth it? Or should I be looking cheaper? edit: With the EVGA card it looks like this. I upped the memory speed with the extra budget room. I couldn't get the 450W PSU to actually be cheaper by more than like $3 when considering NewEgg combo deals so I gave up. + Show Spoiler + CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($75.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($149.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.00 @ Adorama) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($255.91 @ Newegg) Case: Rosewill BlackHawk ATX Mid Tower Case ($76.50 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1150.34 Arc Midi R2 is better and less expensive than the Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352031 Unless you're getting that purely for aesthetics. $300 cards are more for people who are concerned with settings. If you really aren't concerned with settings than you don't even need a GTX 760. Even a Radeon HD7870 or GTX 660 can handle many of the modern games on medium-high comfortably. | ||
Vykromond
United States230 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.19 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($149.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.00 @ Adorama) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($255.91 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg) Total: $1140.02 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 06 2013 01:11 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 05 2013 23:36 Cyro wrote: Good lossy audio can be close to lossless, like 320k mp3's etc, and if you don't have good equipment and ears you might not notice difference, or even with it still not notice a difference on a lot of audio, but lossless is kinda a guarantee of quality (as long as the source is good quality) while there's quite a lot of bad mp3's etc out there All lossless audio formats sound the same by definition, FLAC is just like half of the file size and aparantly has support for tagging etc That makes a lot of sense actually, thanks. I've been thinking about it, if it's possible to get a media player like VLC to work so that it's possible to use it while being 4 meters away from the monitor (meaning you can see what you're doing from far away and the remote control can be used to navigate through the library), I might use that and .flac files instead of .mp3 and WMP. Anyway, this is the sort of thing I should probably look into once everything has been hooked up and ready to go. In the mean time, thanks a ton for clearing all of that up. Back to the actual computer: http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1L495 There's no problem in getting a processor and motherboard a generation old (from the little I know, Ivy-Bridge processors are still great processors) to save money, is there? No problem either in having only a 120 Gb SSD to put Windows and the music on? Total music shouldn't go over 50 Gb I'd wager, which leaves at least 60 Gb for anything else they might need. The idea is that my parents are going to be amazed at how fast the computer boots. Getting this SSD should do more to make the computer feel nice and fast than anything else, correct? The other possible set up is this one: http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/p/1L7Md It's a tad more expensive than the first one and something I don't quite like is that the motherboard is so small (only one PCI slot). Pretty sure I won't be getting it but I'll still ask as someone might point out something I haven't taken into account. Only good thing I can think of is that this might run games better on integrated graphics but I'm not even sure that's needed. What's with the expensive core i3 for just playing music? Lossless formats are for archiving or editing purposes. Very few people can actually perceive the difference in sound. Many who say they can are just victims of confirmation bias. 120GB is plenty for V0 and 320 but no where near enough for FLAC (unless you have like no music at all). FLAC albums are in the range of 200MB to 1GB+. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Lossless formats are for archiving or editing purposes. Very few people can actually perceive the difference in sound. Many who say they can are just victims of confirmation bias. lossless vs say a good aac 256kbit/s RIP, pretty much true. Anyone can pull out 120 mp3's though, and there's a lot of bad higher bitrate mp3 rips | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
GTX 660 - $169 GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB - $149 GTX 650 Ti - $129 http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/nvidia-fires-back-cuts-prices-of-gtx-660-gtx-650-ti-boost-gtx-650-ti/ | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
As for the choice of my processor, well I'm a bit in the dark. I'm someone who has always been weary of low prices (especially with food but I guess that's irrelevant) so I tried going for something other than whatever is the least expensive. I realize that this computer won't be doing anything particularly demanding but I'm still hoping for something that will load Windows or any program almost instantly with an SSD. Would I perhaps be better off with a Pentium G2020 processor (65€)? Might also look into going for some AMD processor with the ASRock motherboard I've been recommended earlier. I've also found out that there are actually PCs built for the purpose I'm talking about, they're HTPCs. With Windows 7, you can boot the computer directly to Windows Media Center, which allows you to access all the music on your hard-drive using exactly the kind of interface I was hoping for. It's pretty sexy actually. This with a USB IR Remote Control should get exactly the kind of system I'm looking for. Now the goal is to basically shave off anything useless to save money and get a good sound card. Edit: Stumbled upon this for anyone interested: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-r9-290x-price,24529.html | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Yeah, I've been pretty set on using .mp3 files as of now Why would you use mp3 over AAC or Opus? Edit: Stumbled upon this for anyone interested: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-r9-290x-price,24529.html Tomshardware is just rehashing news that is hours, days, or occasionally weeks old  | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 06 2013 04:46 Cyro wrote: Why would you use mp3 over AAC or Opus? Tomshardware is just rehashing news that is hours, days, or occasionally weeks old My bad I misread your post and thought mp3 was fine. didn't realize that aac was a file format. i'm a bit tired. i was so happy because windows media center was probably going to use mp3 files with 0 problems but i'm sure there's an equivalent program somewhere out there. not going to go near itunes or anything apple though edit: might be able to use something called zune as well | ||
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doobielespaul
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I got a quote from someone. Most of the things I tried to price matched got refused | ||
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ghindo
United States58 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On October 06 2013 01:51 skyR wrote: Hmm? Not sure where you got the idea better from. Rosewill Hive is much worse than Corsair HX. Because I don't know any better. I know nothing about PSUs and the like. All I knew was that it was a 750w PSU, and I don't know the difference between several different models of PSUs. And I figured I might as well get a cheaper PSU if they're both 750w semi-modular. I've tentatively put the HX back for now. What advantages does it have over a 750w that might be cheaper, such as a Corsair TX, Corsair CX, or the OCZ? Or like the Rosewill Hive in general. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 06 2013 09:24 dabom88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 06 2013 01:51 skyR wrote: Hmm? Not sure where you got the idea better from. Rosewill Hive is much worse than Corsair HX. Because I don't know any better. I know nothing about PSUs and the like. All I knew was that it was a 750w PSU, and I don't know the difference between several different models of PSUs. And I figured I might as well get a cheaper PSU if they're both 750w semi-modular. I've tentatively put the HX back for now. What advantages does it have over a 750w that might be cheaper, such as a Corsair TX, Corsair CX, or the OCZ? Or like the Rosewill Hive in general. Corsair HX uses all Japanese caps, is 80PLUS Gold, is rated at 50C, has a seven year warranty, and its Corsair. Rosewill Hive uses Taiwanese caps (worse), is 80PLUS Bronze (worse), is rated at 40C (worse), has a three year warranty (worse), and provides like 100w less power (worse). Corsair CX is crap, it's good for a cheap build but has no place in a mid-high end build. It just doesn't make sense to put $200+ in a second graphics card to get a significantly worse power supply for $50 or so less. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 06 2013 05:29 doobielespaul wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I got a quote from someone. Most of the things I tried to price matched got refused That list is okay but: RAM is overpriced by a bit, this G.Skill kit is $74: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57953 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD5211 ) I don't agree with getting a VS238H-P for $170 rather than waiting for U2312HM to go on sale but okay. I'd get a less expensive board like I suggested and I'd probably switch the Seasonic G out for a XFX Core Edition 550: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59615 but your call. | ||
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doobielespaul
10 Posts
On October 06 2013 10:22 skyR wrote: That list is okay but: RAM is overpriced by a bit, this G.Skill kit is $74: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57953 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD5211 ) I don't agree with getting a VS238H-P for $170 rather than waiting for U2312HM to go on sale but okay. I'd get a less expensive board like I suggested and I'd probably switch the Seasonic G out for a XFX Core Edition 550: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59615 but your call. Hey thanks for the reply. I changed the build a bit http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1LhlG This ram has a CAS rating of 7, I thought was pretty good for the price. I changed the ssd to 840 pro and got a 7970. I also got a VS239H-P, it's an IPS monitor. I fear that the cheaper IPS monitors maybe not be better than expensive LED, I read you can get blurr effects for gaming, I was hoping to get your opinion on this monitor. I couldn't find the U2312HM on ncix. But at this price range, I figured might as well go all the way and not cheap out on parts. I want a computer that will last. If I chose to not overclock, I would change the cpu, remove the cpu cooler and get a cheaper mobo? Would that make the pc less future proof? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 06 2013 11:13 doobielespaul wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 06 2013 10:22 skyR wrote: That list is okay but: RAM is overpriced by a bit, this G.Skill kit is $74: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57953 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD5211 ) I don't agree with getting a VS238H-P for $170 rather than waiting for U2312HM to go on sale but okay. I'd get a less expensive board like I suggested and I'd probably switch the Seasonic G out for a XFX Core Edition 550: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59615 but your call. Hey thanks for the reply. I changed the build a bit http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1LhlG This ram has a CAS rating of 7, I thought was pretty good for the price. I changed the ssd to 840 pro and got a 7970. I also got a VS239H-P, it's an IPS monitor. I fear that the cheaper IPS monitors maybe not be better than expensive LED, I read you can get blurr effects for gaming, I was hoping to get your opinion on this monitor. I couldn't find the U2312HM on ncix. But at this price range, I figured might as well go all the way and not cheap out on parts. I want a computer that will last. If I chose to not overclock, I would change the cpu, remove the cpu cooler and get a cheaper mobo? Would that make the pc less future proof? There's these 2133MHz for $75: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 , http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61213 LED is the backlit, all modern monitors have LED backlighting. Ghosting shouldn't be an issue on most modern monitors. If you're sensitive to the issue than you may want to get a 120Hz monitor instead. You buy the U2312HM from Dell directly, it's often on sale for under $200 so that VS239H-P is not attractive at $180. Seasonic M12II 620 is old and is not better than the G series. Coolermaster Storm Enforcer is not better than the Define R4. Samsung 840 Pro is unnecessary. Noctua NH-U14S is better and less expensive. Yes, if you choose not to overclock than you remove the heatsink, change to non-K suffix processor, and get a H87 / B85 / H81 motherboard. You'd get a shorter useful life by not overclocking. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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