Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 49

On October 05 2013 07:20 Cyro wrote:
3930k and 4930k are 6-core CPU's. You pay a large premium for them and their motherboards, because they offer about 30% higher performance in some tasks (such as video encoding or professional rendering work, where you can fully load all cpu cores) but they're slower in many tasks (stuff that won't highly load more than 4 cores) than the newer architecture quad cores, and MUCH more expensive. You can get a locked i5 for a tiny fraction of that price, and it'd actually perform better in a lot of games. You could do such a thing with the same GPU for like 40% of your budget

An overclocked 4770k is a much, much better option for streaming, and similarly significantly cheaper than a stock 4930k. 4930k only makes sense for niche applications unless you're making a $3k build.

Standard go-to powerful gamer would be overclocked i5-4670k with something like a 7970 or 780 if you were throwing money

On October 05 2013 07:23 skyR wrote:


If you're spending money for a 4930k, you really shouldn't be buying low-end crap like the Hyper 212 and HAF912. The Arc Midi R2 is on sale right now for $65, a far better case than the HAF 912 for just a bit more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352031

GTX 660 is sort of questionable if you want to play the latest games on the highest settings possible, I assume this means you want ultra or max settings if possible.

Games don't utilize six cores, an i7 4930k would perform worse than an i5 4670k in all games (and tasks that aren't heavily threaded) because the 4930k is based on the older Ivybridge architecture while the 4670k is the newer Haswell architecture.. One of the reasons why you buy an i7 4930k, which is an hex core with hyperthreading, is for professional usage such as editing in your case. Though I question whether you actually need it since you only picked 2x4GB 1600MHz memory rather than 2x8GB higher frequency memory that most individuals concerned with editing would pick.

Core i7 4930k is a socket LGA2011 processor, you need a X79 motherboard for it. Z87 motherboards are socket LGA1150 which cannot fit a bigger LGA2011 processor and can only fit LGA1150 processors such as the Core i5 4670k or Core i7 4770k.

On October 05 2013 09:10 doobielespaul wrote:stuff

On October 05 2013 09:55 Rollin wrote:

Why are you getting a 4770k over a 4670k?

Are you even going to overclock (significantly)? Most people that can't be bothered building a computer can't be bothered overclocking either, and that build would cost a lot less if you weren't to spend money on overclocking components.

A tailored 760 + 4670 build would cost less than half for the same game perfomance, then you add in the monitor on top. Some places do $50 assembly too. Ehh with ssd and stuff as well maybe about $900-$1000 minus monitor.

On October 05 2013 11:36 skyR wrote:


I think you're a bit confused.

No, an stock 4930 has two extra cores over a 4770 so it will outperform it in every well threaded task such as encoding.

Both the 3970x and 4930k are similar but not the same.

How much memory you use depends on your workload but the logic is if you're spending $400 to obtain two extra cores and a platform that supports 64GB of RAM than you will be doing some serious stuff which will likely use as much cores and RAM as you can feed it. And the expense of 2x8GB over 2x4GB is trivial when you're getting a 4930k.

Some of the reasons why you should pay more for a case was touched upon on the OP. Objectively, the Arc Midi R2 is a far better case than the HAF912 but subjectively, it may not be. Arc Midi R2 has more mounting points for fans, supports 140mm fans, includes an additional fan, better fans and dust filters, tool-less assembly, rubber grommets, more HDD mounts, modular HDD cages, black interior, etc).

A $280 motherboard is extremely unnecessary. Your budget is limited and you say you're going to be dealing with video so there is no reason to spend an enormous amount on a motherboard when you don't even have a Core i7. All that crap that you may or may not use is nice and all but the money you are wasting is better being wasted on the processor, graphics card, or a larger SSD - the three components that actually make a difference in most situations. A better graphics card allows you to play on higher settings / at a higher FPS, a larger SSD makes it so you don't have to micro-manage multiple drives, and a better processor reduces the time it takes to encode (and helps with CPU intensive games like Starcraft II). For like 99.9% of the population, a $300 motherboard does nothing for them over a motherboard that costs half as much. Something like a Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is already overkill if you're just beginning to learn to overclock. The extra SATA, NIC, and Wi-Fi on the expensive boards can all be added on via add-on cards.

Chances are, you could also use that money on monitors and other stuff.

U14S is the bigger brother of the U12S. You pay more for a bit better performance at the expense of of compatibility (blocks the first PCI-E slot on some boards and some DIMM slots so memory with tall heatspreaders will not fit).

On October 05 2013 11:42 doobielespaul wrote:


Because logical increments. I saw the benchmarks for 4770k are better.
I just need an i7 for hyperthread for pro tools and good gaming on the side.
The reason for overclocking is because they say it's free performance. I feel it's worth the minor price difference to overclock.

On October 05 2013 14:59 skyR wrote:


We generally recommend the Gigabyte Z87X-D3H.

On October 05 2013 16:13 skyR wrote:


A Radeon HD7970 offers far better value in gaming (similar / better performance for $100+ less and three free games). However, it may perform worse than a GTX 770 in Premiere Pro as Adobe didn't support Open CL on Windows until earlier this year so CUDA support may be a bit more mature.

The rest is okay? I assume you have HDDs already for storing all the video. If not, then you would need to buy some.

Sorry, I don't have any suggestions for X79. If you're going to throw down nearly $1000 for a CPU and motherboard than I think it's best to do your own research.

On October 05 2013 16:28 Incognoto wrote:



Generally speaking, it seems you're better with overclocking either an i5 4670k or an i7 4770k. Now, the i7 is more expensive than the i5 and in terms of just gaming performance, it doesn't offer much more. Games don't take advantage of the i7's hyper threading. The i7 does offer more if you're stream at high resolutions and high FPS, if you're going to encode and so on.

In your shoes I would build around three components (you can swap between both the discussed processors):

Gigabyte Z87X-D3H
i7 4770k
AMD 7970 3Gb

Generally speaking, the 7970 seems to be destroying the GPU market at the moment. Well, not literally, but they're very good deals for what they are. A single 7970 runs most games at near maxed settings, if you get 2 and crossfire them (pretty sure the Z87X-D3H allows for this? correct me if I'm wrong), you can destroy any game at maxed settings. You can read the past few pages of this thread where Cyro goes into a bit more detail about how the 7970 is a really good card to buy at the moment. Also note that 3 Gb of VRAM is better than Nvidia's 2 or 4 Gb of VRAM.

After that SSD, HD, RAM, case and PSU are all up to you and your budget.

I strongly recommend reading this thread before choosing a PSU: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

Maybe I'm wrong to always plug this but it seems like such a good list because people over there know their shit and if you cross reference with what people on TL say, everything adds up. Thanks to that list, you can be lazy and not over-think about which PSU to get.