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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 08 2013 04:08 GMT
#1061
Reviews are out:

http://techreport.com/review/25466/amd-radeon-r9-280x-and-270x-graphics-cards
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7400/the-radeon-r9-280x-review-feat-asus-xfx
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/63522-amd-radeon-r9-280x-3gb-review.html
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 04:23:12
October 08 2013 04:19 GMT
#1062
Good noise levels on the Asus R9-280X. 99th percentile numbers (TR-review) are quite nice too.
And now the wait for the 290-nonX numbers haha.

On that note - Anandtech's new "AMD Center" is hilariously gaudy looking. Seems like there are still some placeholders left-in-place.
With no power comes no responsibility?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 04:57:03
October 08 2013 04:27 GMT
#1063
On October 08 2013 06:00 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
RAM 8 Gb(69€): Holy shit expensive.


Wha that's pretty normal prices

Sammy kits went from £65 to £120 in a few months, and were £35 like a year ago, 1600 kits etc have hovered those kinds of prices for a while no?


Yeah the prices are normal. It just felt expensive considering overall system price. :p

Edit: New R9 cards look pretty nice.

With the R9 280X in particular, it looks like Nvidia may have to lower prices on GTX 770 especially and perhaps 760 as well. R9 280X seems really damn cost efficient.
maru lover forever
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 05:21:29
October 08 2013 05:21 GMT
#1064
On October 08 2013 12:25 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 12:16 Monokeros wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your current build?

Processor Intel Core 2 Quad CPU 2.4GHZ (OC at 2.7 right now)
Motherboard Nvidia nForce 680i SLI SPP
Memory Corsair 4GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 449MHz
Video Card NVidia GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Primary Storage 238GB Western Digital SCSI

What is your monitor's native resolution?
Primary: 1920x1080 Secondary: 1440x900

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade
My computer is currently below average for a gaming PC if that, since I have a pretty limited budget I was wondering if it would be possible to just upgrade it in steps starting with the motherboard/CPU along with the necessary heatsink/power supply to support it and then using the other "stuff' I have right now on my computer and then build from there as I get more money later down the line. I feel like my processor is the most limiting thing I have right now, although my whole build is pretty weak anyways. I'm assuming that I'll need a new motherboard because an good CPU upgrades probably aren't compatible with my current one.

What is your budget
$200~300 currently is my budget.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

Brand preferences
I'd like an i5 since from what I understand it's a pretty solid processor and will last me awhile, just like how mine
managed to last me the last 5 years.


You'll need a new motherboard and new memory as well for a core i5. If you want an overclockable setup than that would be out of your budget but $300 would barely be enough for a non-overclockable setup (i5 ~$190, H81 ~$60, 4GB RAM ~$40). It'd be better just to save up a bit more money.


So I'd need 8GB ram total? And I'm guessing I'd need a new power supply and heatsink too? If I had a budget of $700 it'd be doable then right?
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 08 2013 05:28 GMT
#1065
You don't need 8GB of RAM but your current RAM is DDR2 which is not used anymore so you need to buy new DDR3 RAM.

You could re-use your current power supply if it's a good one. You could re-use your heatsink as well provided the manufacturer provides you with the mounting bracket for LGA1150.

Yes, $700 would easily get you all that.
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
October 08 2013 05:29 GMT
#1066
You have to replace your DDR2 with DDR3, your ram is useless in an upgrade.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
October 08 2013 05:57 GMT
#1067
R9 270X is a joke. It's a 7870 with a boost clock and slightly faster memory and it's $20 more expensive...The only thing that would make it worth while is if it has a higher voltage limit.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Lipko
Profile Joined December 2012
Hungary22 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 08:02:42
October 08 2013 07:48 GMT
#1068
After some looking around on the internet I found a pre-built PC.
I know that building my PC parts are almost always better but this build looks good imo.

For 540 euros I can get the following setup:

- Processor: Intel Core i5-4570S 2.9GHz
- Motherboard: Asus B85M-G
- Memory: 8GB Kingston HyperX 1600MHz DDR3
- Hard drive: 1TB 7200 rpm (unknown brand)
- Video card: nVidia GeForce GTX650 2GB DDR5 (unknown brand)
- Case: Cooler Master Elite Knight
- Power supply: Cooler Master 500W

Is that i5-4570S any better than the i3-4130 what Incognoto suggested for me?
I also don't like that there are so many components which manufacturers are unknown.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
October 08 2013 07:56 GMT
#1069
Yes but it's terrible.

S means Slow.
Kingston RAM means 1.65v junk.
2GB GTX 650 is laughable.
Elite is Cooler Master terms means cheap.
unknown PSU means have fun when it blows up.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Lipko
Profile Joined December 2012
Hungary22 Posts
October 08 2013 08:09 GMT
#1070
On October 08 2013 16:56 iTzSnypah wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Yes but it's terrible.

S means Slow.
Kingston RAM means 1.65v junk.
2GB GTX 650 is laughable.
Elite is Cooler Master terms means cheap.
unknown PSU means have fun when it blows up.



My budget is around 500 euros so I can't really get any better video card.
I mostly play sc2 and I think I don't really need a good video card.
I thought the same about the processor and checked some benchmarks and that i3-4130 always did better than this i5-4570S.
I didn't know that Kingston RAM is junk and am very surprised to hear that, I always though that they are prestigious brand among memories.
Thx for the response, I will stick to Incognoto's build.
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
October 08 2013 08:18 GMT
#1071
On October 08 2013 14:28 skyR wrote:
You don't need 8GB of RAM but your current RAM is DDR2 which is not used anymore so you need to buy new DDR3 RAM.

You could re-use your current power supply if it's a good one. You could re-use your heatsink as well provided the manufacturer provides you with the mounting bracket for LGA1150.

Yes, $700 would easily get you all that.


My power supply is an Antec 650w ATX12V don't know if that'll be enough since I'm planning on upgrading my video card later on too. I'm pretty sure I'm going to want to replace my heatsink because right now the cooling on my computer is really bad I get into the 70C+'s really easily. So to sum it up it'd be:
i5, 4GB of DDR3 Ram, H81 Motherboard, new heatsink, maybe power supply, and would I be able to reuse my current case, a Cooler Master Elite 330U, or would I be better off getting a new one?
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
October 08 2013 08:30 GMT
#1072
On October 08 2013 17:09 Lipko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 16:56 iTzSnypah wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Yes but it's terrible.

S means Slow.
Kingston RAM means 1.65v junk.
2GB GTX 650 is laughable.
Elite is Cooler Master terms means cheap.
unknown PSU means have fun when it blows up.




I mostly play sc2 and I think I don't really need a good video card.

I meant the 2GB part. It's an absolute waste for a GTX 650.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 12:09:04
October 08 2013 12:06 GMT
#1073
With the R9 280X in particular, it looks like Nvidia may have to lower prices on GTX 770 especially and perhaps 760 as well.


r9 280x's came in here at ~£240

We've had 7970's cheaper for like a month. Recently, the Asus Directcu ii TOP card on ocuk for £227, it's still there, competing with the £350 4gb 770's. This release changes nothing in UK market, anyone buying a new card now wouldn't pick up a 280x, they'd want the asus top 7970

260x too. Everything here is WORSE than the price:performance we saw in the last few months, wow
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
October 08 2013 13:19 GMT
#1074
On October 08 2013 21:06 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
With the R9 280X in particular, it looks like Nvidia may have to lower prices on GTX 770 especially and perhaps 760 as well.


r9 280x's came in here at ~£240

We've had 7970's cheaper for like a month. Recently, the Asus Directcu ii TOP card on ocuk for £227, it's still there, competing with the £350 4gb 770's. This release changes nothing in UK market, anyone buying a new card now wouldn't pick up a 280x, they'd want the asus top 7970

260x too. Everything here is WORSE than the price:performance we saw in the last few months, wow

Don't expect price drops until the "older" stock is mostly cleared out.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
October 08 2013 15:42 GMT
#1075
On October 08 2013 22:19 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 21:06 Cyro wrote:
With the R9 280X in particular, it looks like Nvidia may have to lower prices on GTX 770 especially and perhaps 760 as well.


r9 280x's came in here at ~£240

We've had 7970's cheaper for like a month. Recently, the Asus Directcu ii TOP card on ocuk for £227, it's still there, competing with the £350 4gb 770's. This release changes nothing in UK market, anyone buying a new card now wouldn't pick up a 280x, they'd want the asus top 7970

260x too. Everything here is WORSE than the price:performance we saw in the last few months, wow

Don't expect price drops until the "older" stock is mostly cleared out.


Best 280x models below £220? If it happens i'd be surprised
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
October 08 2013 16:06 GMT
#1076
On October 09 2013 00:42 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 22:19 Rollin wrote:
On October 08 2013 21:06 Cyro wrote:
With the R9 280X in particular, it looks like Nvidia may have to lower prices on GTX 770 especially and perhaps 760 as well.


r9 280x's came in here at ~£240

We've had 7970's cheaper for like a month. Recently, the Asus Directcu ii TOP card on ocuk for £227, it's still there, competing with the £350 4gb 770's. This release changes nothing in UK market, anyone buying a new card now wouldn't pick up a 280x, they'd want the asus top 7970

260x too. Everything here is WORSE than the price:performance we saw in the last few months, wow

Don't expect price drops until the "older" stock is mostly cleared out.


Best 280x models below £220? If it happens i'd be surprised

...HD 7000 has been heavily discounted for over a month to clear stock. Also you are paying extra to be an early adopter of a new card. Seriously just wait a month, R9 280X prices will drop a fair bit.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
October 08 2013 16:30 GMT
#1077
What are you expecting? For them to match (or?) drop below the discounted 7970 prices?

It's confusing seeing stuff like this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-322-AS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1842 when their 7970 card is openly available for 0.7x the price
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 08 2013 16:33 GMT
#1078
I think Europe always gets screwed on pricing lol
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
October 08 2013 16:35 GMT
#1079
Drop below. If you look at the history of any AMD card they drop hard in price after a few months.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 16:42:15
October 08 2013 16:40 GMT
#1080
On October 09 2013 01:33 skyR wrote:
I think Europe always gets screwed on pricing lol


I was just confused by the flood of cards from ~£240-320 when good model of same card was available for £227. Seems like people who don't know what they are buying are getting screwed hard there


What do you guys think of these?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-002-RT&groupid=701&catid=2330&subcat=2666
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-001-RT&groupid=701&catid=2330&subcat=2666
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-000-RT&groupid=701&catid=2330&subcat=2666

Seems quite aggressive pricing, and reminds me of hyper 212 and hr-02 macho a lot
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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