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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20319 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 04:47:33
July 20 2015 04:47 GMT
#10241
On July 20 2015 13:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Unfortunately, I only have access to a 1366x768 monitor for the foreseeable future (out of money). I tried out Dota 2 and it looks like I'm lagging despite everything being up to date. Would it be because of the monitor?


You're not using your graphics card, so yes. You need to connect the screen to the graphics card to use it and VGA is pretty ancient analog standard, the best usually available is a passive dvi to vga adapter if you have a dvi-i output on the graphics card
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
July 20 2015 04:47 GMT
#10242
On July 20 2015 12:35 B.I.G. wrote:
I had exactly the same issue plasmid. Everything was working but nothing on screen. For others that might face this issue: as soon as you install a graphics card your motherboard will stop using its internal graphics, rendering any ports for monitors on your motherboard useless.

I bought a 2 euro vga to dvi converter and fixed the issue.

That's not strictly true. It's often just a mobo setting to enable both. On mine, both remain enabled by default.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 20 2015 04:58 GMT
#10243
On July 20 2015 13:47 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2015 13:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Unfortunately, I only have access to a 1366x768 monitor for the foreseeable future (out of money). I tried out Dota 2 and it looks like I'm lagging despite everything being up to date. Would it be because of the monitor?


You're not using your graphics card, so yes. You need to connect the screen to the graphics card to use it and VGA is pretty ancient analog standard, the best usually available is a passive dvi to vga adapter if you have a dvi-i output on the graphics card

My graphics card has HDMI, DVI, and DP ports. I (well my parents too) want a 23" monitor. Is there any order of quality to the ports on the graphics card, and are there any good monitors that size for about $100? I don't care about having a gaming monitor, I'm never going to be good enough for the ms delay to matter.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
July 20 2015 05:07 GMT
#10244
On July 20 2015 13:47 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2015 12:35 B.I.G. wrote:
I had exactly the same issue plasmid. Everything was working but nothing on screen. For others that might face this issue: as soon as you install a graphics card your motherboard will stop using its internal graphics, rendering any ports for monitors on your motherboard useless.

I bought a 2 euro vga to dvi converter and fixed the issue.

That's not strictly true. It's often just a mobo setting to enable both. On mine, both remain enabled by default.

I stand corrected. This can be the case then
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
July 20 2015 05:08 GMT
#10245
Which of these matches what the DVI port looks like?

[image loading]
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 20 2015 05:15 GMT
#10246
On July 20 2015 14:08 Craton wrote:
Which of these matches what the DVI port looks like?

[image loading]

It's DVI-I Dual-LInk
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 05:21:54
July 20 2015 05:20 GMT
#10247
Just get a DVI (male) to VGA (female) adapter and use that. They cost about $5.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200911

[image loading]
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 20 2015 05:29 GMT
#10248
On July 20 2015 14:20 Craton wrote:
Just get a DVI (male) to VGA (female) adapter and use that. They cost about $5.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200911

[image loading]

Good stuff, I checked around and I can get one this Thursday since the electronics stores near me don't readily carry it
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20319 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 06:21:44
July 20 2015 06:20 GMT
#10249
On July 20 2015 13:58 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2015 13:47 Cyro wrote:
On July 20 2015 13:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Unfortunately, I only have access to a 1366x768 monitor for the foreseeable future (out of money). I tried out Dota 2 and it looks like I'm lagging despite everything being up to date. Would it be because of the monitor?


You're not using your graphics card, so yes. You need to connect the screen to the graphics card to use it and VGA is pretty ancient analog standard, the best usually available is a passive dvi to vga adapter if you have a dvi-i output on the graphics card

My graphics card has HDMI, DVI, and DP ports. I (well my parents too) want a 23" monitor. Is there any order of quality to the ports on the graphics card, and are there any good monitors that size for about $100? I don't care about having a gaming monitor, I'm never going to be good enough for the ms delay to matter.


DP > DVI > HDMI but all three are digital and outside of a few technologies (like adaptive sync) it doesn't matter unless one has the bandwidth that you need for your resolution and refresh rate and another doesn't (HDMI revision that's used on most stuff cannot do 1080p at 120hz or 1440p past ~70hz)

monitor IDK, $100 is very cheap.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
July 20 2015 08:33 GMT
#10250
Worth saving for a decent IPS/PLS monitor IMO. Like the monitor is the thing you are looking at the entire time that you are usaing the pc. They also last for a loooooonggg time compared to other components. So to me it makes sense to invest in at minimum a decent PLS/IPS 1080p display.

Something like THIS
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
July 21 2015 03:49 GMT
#10251
Guys I have another question, it's not about building but rather organization in windows:

After I got my computer to work and installed Windows 7 it was obviously time to install or update drivers. I downloaded and unzipped all files in my E: drive (C: is my SSD E: 1TB storage). However now I realize that my computer doesn't recognize my E: drive as a local disk which obviously is a bit annoying. I will probably have to format which would mean losing all the driver files. After installing the drivers there was no way to tell where they were installed to. To sum up my question:

Am I correct to assume that all the drivers were installed to the System32\DriverStore folder? And as such, is it safe to format my E: drive to try and get Windows to recognize it as local?
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
July 21 2015 07:26 GMT
#10252
On July 21 2015 12:49 B.I.G. wrote:
Guys I have another question, it's not about building but rather organization in windows:

After I got my computer to work and installed Windows 7 it was obviously time to install or update drivers. I downloaded and unzipped all files in my E: drive (C: is my SSD E: 1TB storage). However now I realize that my computer doesn't recognize my E: drive as a local disk which obviously is a bit annoying. I will probably have to format which would mean losing all the driver files. After installing the drivers there was no way to tell where they were installed to. To sum up my question:

Am I correct to assume that all the drivers were installed to the System32\DriverStore folder? And as such, is it safe to format my E: drive to try and get Windows to recognize it as local?


If you've already installed the drivers using their installation program, then yes?

I'm more interested in figuring out how your E drive (which I'm guessing is internal) wound up being considered a network drive...
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
July 21 2015 18:32 GMT
#10253
Well, if I find out ill be sure to let you know. I guess I'm just gonna finish playing the witcher and then ill start messing around with moving drivers etc :D
HewTheTitan
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada331 Posts
July 21 2015 19:58 GMT
#10254
What is the cheapest cpu/gpu combo that can get Heroes running at 60fps in fights? I think low settings are fine. The build I came up with is still more than I wanted to spend, might still be slight overkill.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
July 21 2015 21:48 GMT
#10255
what resolution?
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20319 Posts
July 21 2015 22:31 GMT
#10256
On July 22 2015 04:58 HewTheTitan wrote:
What is the cheapest cpu/gpu combo that can get Heroes running at 60fps in fights? I think low settings are fine. The build I came up with is still more than I wanted to spend, might still be slight overkill.


Heroes has sc2 engine which is medicore for an RTS and awful for a moba. It's highly CPU bound and FPS was lower than expected when i played it in general.

A gtx960 or r9 280 should be more than fine for 1080p but you need at least a dual core haswell CPU (preferably i3 for system in general) and OC helps a lot if possible. It also has fairly significant RAM performance scaling which is accessible only from the OC-available chipset (z97 now)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
July 22 2015 13:46 GMT
#10257
My old laptop used to match SC2's official recommended sys reqs, and it barely run 1v1 @lowest settings @720p. I'd expect hots to require way more than official sys reqs state.
Age of Mythology forever!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
July 22 2015 13:57 GMT
#10258
On July 22 2015 07:31 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2015 04:58 HewTheTitan wrote:
What is the cheapest cpu/gpu combo that can get Heroes running at 60fps in fights? I think low settings are fine. The build I came up with is still more than I wanted to spend, might still be slight overkill.


Heroes has sc2 engine which is medicore for an RTS and awful for a moba. It's highly CPU bound and FPS was lower than expected when i played it in general.

A gtx960 or r9 280 should be more than fine for 1080p but you need at least a dual core haswell CPU (preferably i3 for system in general) and OC helps a lot if possible. It also has fairly significant RAM performance scaling which is accessible only from the OC-available chipset (z97 now)

Even those GPUs are probably overkill. 650ti runs sc2 at 1080p @60-120 fps, as long as you have the CPU.
Lothor
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-23 02:12:18
July 23 2015 01:48 GMT
#10259
Hey TL,

I'm in the market for a laptop for school and sc2 and am planning to wait for Skylake to drop in the upcoming months. My grand idea is to get a second monitor that I can plug it into at home and run SC2 at 144hz 1440p. Is this realistic?

Any speculation on release date of Skylake for laptops?

Any ideas on what kind of fps the integrated graphics might provide for SC2?

Do you think Macbook Pros will be refreshed with Skylake this year? Is it worth it to get a macbook pro?
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-23 02:23:34
July 23 2015 02:22 GMT
#10260
On July 23 2015 10:48 Lothor wrote:
Hey TL,

I'm in the market for a laptop for school and sc2 and am planning to wait for Skylake to drop in the upcoming months. My grand idea is to get a second monitor that I can plug it into at home and run SC2 at 144hz 1440p. Is this realistic?

Any speculation on release date of Skylake for laptops?

Any ideas on what kind of fps the integrated graphics might provide for SC2?

Do you think Macbook Pros will be refreshed with Skylake this year? Is it worth it to get a macbook pro?



Ehh, I think skylake windows laptop will release late this year since they are pumping out the U variants out first.
I think apple will refresh skylake early next year. January or February like how hey refresh broadwell around that time this year
But running at full 144hz means you get 144fps which I don't think is realistic for integrated graphics and especially on the bigger resolution.

The iGPU will prob be iris pro 6200 which is pretty good. Id expect 60+ I guess but i m not sure if you will get to utilize the monitor's whole refresh rate.
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