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Spiller
Profile Joined September 2014
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-21 20:03:45
June 21 2015 20:00 GMT
#10041
I built mine last summer with an R9 270 and i3 4160, same case, hard drive, memory, power supply, and motherboard. My total cost was roughly the same as the list I linked with the i5 and the R9 280 because I had to buy windows and prices in general have gone down since then. The i3 would be fine for CS:GO and most current games but if you want any "future-proofing" I think the i5 is a better investment.


Yeah I figured I would be sacrificing performance on newer releases, but the only one off the top of my head that I'm real excited for is Fallout 4, and that won't be out for a while anyway so its not a big deal if I wait a year or so to upgrade and get the game once its on sale and all the DLC is out.

Besides CS:GO i would probably just play semi-old stuff like Dark Souls, Fallout 3/NV (with a few mods) and Mass effect series, all of which I've played before on PS3 but I think I would enjoy replaying them with the PC experience and with the ability to Mod ( especially Fallout).

So it seems like the i3 would be good for what I want to do right now and maybe in a year or more, when I hopefully have more flexibility in terms of money, I can upgrade some of the components a couple notches to handle any new releases I want to play at that time.

Decent plan? I have to admit I am actually getting ahead of myself a bit because I need to save a bit more to even get the budget rigs you linked and since I'm living at home right now I have to talk to my parents about it. My Dad is a stubborn man who isn't a gamer at all and I know he won't be happy that I want to spend 600 dollars on a computer lol.

Either way I appreciate all the help you've given me, it makes the task of building my own PC feel a lot less daunting and I definitely plan on doing it as soon as I'm able.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 22 2015 00:18 GMT
#10042
Spiller, if your goal is to go under $700 if possible and are never really looking at upgrades to handle the more demanding newer AAA titles on higher settings, just buying a computer and not parts can be cheaper, especially if you need an OS. In any case, you can definitely get under $700.

You can get a full Core i5 system with Windows for $400, for example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103929

And throw a GTX 750 Ti in there for $105 (admittedly a 1 GB model, but that is cheap):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500348

Maybe an extra 4 GB of DDR3 too for $25:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231634


Ack1027, you're going to need a better processor to stream unless you end up using GPU encode. Actually, that could be worthwhile regardless.

The Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM is long discontinued. The P2414H and U2414H (the latter having different inputs and slimmer bezels but otherwise just being more expensive) are replacements and are superior in a number of ways. This is going to be a decent chunk of the budget, though.

Core i5-4590 - $160 in store
http://www.microcenter.com/product/432161/Core_i5-4590_33GHz_LGA_1150_Boxed_Processor

Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 - $40 *
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128770

Zotac GTX 750 Ti 1 GB - $105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500348

Team Elite 2 x 4 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 - $44
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313429

Crucial BX100 256 GB - $90 **
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-BX100-250GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B00RQA6TEI/

Western Digital Blue 1 TB - $50 ***
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Desktop-7200rpm-Internal-Drive/dp/B0088PUEPK/

Rosewill Line-M - $40
http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Micro-ATX-Computer-12-5-Inch-LINE-M/dp/B00AAJ0ZGK/

Seasonic SSR-350ST - $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Dell P2414H - $180 after promo code (EMCATKX25)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260149

* note that many H81 motherboards won't support the Haswell refresh processors without a BIOS update, but even rev 1.0 of that board supports the full range with the original (only?) BIOS version according to Gigabyte's website, it looks like. As with any mobo, it can randomly die but a model as cheap as this is a little bit more on the edge. If MC is offering a motherboard with the CPU as a deal that comes out about the same price, use that.

** or downgrade to say 128 GB on the SSD

*** or spend the extra and get a 2 TB 3.5" hard drive or however large you'd want from whatever vendor that's 7200 rpm. If it doesn't state the rpm, assume it's not 7200 rpm.

I tried to get over $150 at Amazon. Note there's no optical drive but you seem to be a Steam kind of guy and use flash drives. That costs about $15 more if you want that.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 01:06:45
June 22 2015 00:50 GMT
#10043
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DTDVQ7

How's this look?
Specifically regarding the Case, Power supply, HDD [ I guess no big dif here other than warranty? ], and GPU. Are there any big differences in the ones you and I selected?

My $150 gift card on amazon will go towards the monitor I've decided since its like $180 anyway.

Oh just noticed the CPU is different. I guess yours is just the straight out better deal?

Also the monitor isn't a huge deal or anything. I was just really happy with my u2312hm so I figured naturally another Dell monitor is ok to go with. Are there other great 1080p monitors in this price range?

Thanks a ton again!

Edit: CPU out of stock where I live T_T
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 01:17:11
June 22 2015 01:15 GMT
#10044
I would heavily advise against the 260X, it is a really bad card and will barely get 60 fps in dota, the 750ti recommended is a better choice, or a 280 for $150 is also available http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150705 if you want to spend more money
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 01:44:10
June 22 2015 01:43 GMT
#10045
Dell P2_14 and U2414H are some of the best matte sub-24" 1920x1080 60 Hz monitors available for a non-professional user. You can save say $50 by getting something with a worse stand, worse motion clarity, worse out-of-box calibration and some more on top of that if you get a TN, but if it's feasible in budget it's a good choice.

Just in case you didn't catch it, the P2414H at newegg is the 23.8" model. The P2314H linked there is the 23" model.

Other than the graphics card, everything checks out. The Cooler Master case may be a bit better.


Also, on second thought I am checking more Gigabyte motherboards and I'm no longer confident about the boards supporting Haswell refresh out of box. They're all showing just a single BIOS version in the CPU support list, so while they're likely to work, maybe you find old stock of some motherboard with some revision from 2013 or 2014 that has issues. You may want to get the first generation Haswell (very slightly lower clock speeds) just to be safe. That's i5-4670, i5-4570, i5-4440, i5-4430.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 12:09:49
June 22 2015 02:22 GMT
#10046
Ahh. skyR recommended me the 260x and said it should def be enough for dota and csgo at 1080p so that's why I was looking for that. I was trying to save money on the video card here since its a big part of the budget.

Why the hell are they making a 23.8 and a 23 model, good call there. That's pretty confusing.

I'm not sure what yu mean by gigabyte motherboards supporting haswell refresh's out of the box. I've read from choosemypc.net where I got my intial build parts from that ' Some Intel H81 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Haswell Refresh CPUs. '

So I guess I just need the bios version? It seems safe cuz I'm seeing a lot of these builds around. Either way I will drop by microcenter before purchasing cpu/mobo and see if they have a deal. Otherwise I'm gonna go with the i5-4460

Thanks guys.

Edit: Ok yeah I'm gonna go with the 280. Is there any reason I shouldn't use this PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139050&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Almost all the PSUs so far have to use rebates anyway [ god damn i hate them ] and this seems cheaper considering the performance.

Further reading that may interest you myr: http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2pcsq2/some_intel_h81_chipset_motherboards_may_need_a/

Prolly going for this mobo
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I6DLKE8/?tag=pcpapi-20
Definitely supports haswell refreshes.

I can't find shit on this drive and the differing model number makes me curious:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/334293/Barracuda_1TB_7,200_RPM_SATA_III_6Gb-s_35_Internal_Hard_Drive_ST3100005N1A1AS
That's pretty cheap.. What's the difference between this one and the ones linked? I mean the cache is 32mb compared to 64 but is that even a big deal? Don't think I'll notice.
Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
June 22 2015 14:31 GMT
#10047
So I am starting to get to a point where my GPU is beginning to struggle a little even on medium settings for games like GTA 5 and that. I was wondering if I should buy one of the current generation cards since most cards are rebrands and a 970 and such are pretty solid with SLI options later in life. Or should I wait for the new cards to come out and see if a price drop occurs anywhere or if its really worth getting a new model.


At current I am using a AMD 6850 1gb HD GPU with a 4790K CPU. I do however have a 450w PSU so will probably need a new one aswell but a 650W should be able to handle an SLI build later?


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d_runk
Profile Joined March 2013
124 Posts
June 22 2015 15:00 GMT
#10048
For those looking for a cheap IPS monitor, I got a refurbished LG 22EA63V for 79£ on ebay when I moved to my new place, it has worked perfectly for the past 20 months. Don't be afraid to buy used hardware if you know what you are doing!
"You just offended like 90% of the world -I'm fine with that. 90% of people are pretty stupid" Jinro
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
June 24 2015 00:44 GMT
#10049
On June 22 2015 10:43 Myrmidon wrote:
Also, on second thought I am checking more Gigabyte motherboards and I'm no longer confident about the boards supporting Haswell refresh out of box. They're all showing just a single BIOS version in the CPU support list, so while they're likely to work, maybe you find old stock of some motherboard with some revision from 2013 or 2014 that has issues. You may want to get the first generation Haswell (very slightly lower clock speeds) just to be safe. That's i5-4670, i5-4570, i5-4440, i5-4430.

A bit surprised it's not the cheapest board anymore, but I can vouch for http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731 being compatible with Haswell refresh out of the box. (In case anyone wants customer feedback on a cheaper mobo.)
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 24 2015 05:30 GMT
#10050
On June 22 2015 11:22 Ack1027 wrote:
Ahh. skyR recommended me the 260x and said it should def be enough for dota and csgo at 1080p so that's why I was looking for that. I was trying to save money on the video card here since its a big part of the budget.

Why the hell are they making a 23.8 and a 23 model, good call there. That's pretty confusing.

I'm not sure what yu mean by gigabyte motherboards supporting haswell refresh's out of the box. I've read from choosemypc.net where I got my intial build parts from that ' Some Intel H81 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Haswell Refresh CPUs. '

So I guess I just need the bios version? It seems safe cuz I'm seeing a lot of these builds around. Either way I will drop by microcenter before purchasing cpu/mobo and see if they have a deal. Otherwise I'm gonna go with the i5-4460

Thanks guys.

Edit: Ok yeah I'm gonna go with the 280. Is there any reason I shouldn't use this PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139050&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Almost all the PSUs so far have to use rebates anyway [ god damn i hate them ] and this seems cheaper considering the performance.

Further reading that may interest you myr: http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2pcsq2/some_intel_h81_chipset_motherboards_may_need_a/

Prolly going for this mobo
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I6DLKE8/?tag=pcpapi-20
Definitely supports haswell refreshes.

I can't find shit on this drive and the differing model number makes me curious:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/334293/Barracuda_1TB_7,200_RPM_SATA_III_6Gb-s_35_Internal_Hard_Drive_ST3100005N1A1AS
That's pretty cheap.. What's the difference between this one and the ones linked? I mean the cache is 32mb compared to 64 but is that even a big deal? Don't think I'll notice.


If you don't mind used parts, /r/hardwareswap has decent deals. 280s usually go for <130$ and 280x for around 150$.

For monitors definitely check out /r/buildapcsales. Most 23" 60hz monitors go for around 120-130$. I've seen some below 100$ but I didn't spend all that much time looking.

For cpu you can go through this process and sget a 4590 for 160$ at staples. You might have to try a few times but it might be worth it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2zmm40/psa_staples_will_price_match_microcenter_instore/

Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 17:19:28
June 24 2015 17:19 GMT
#10051
THANK YOU KNYTTYM

Your links and advice led me to this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/3aysoh/sales_staples_visa_checkout_15_off_with_price/

I just got a i5 4590 for $126.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 24 2015 21:33 GMT
#10052
-_-

USA = free hardware
maru lover forever
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
June 24 2015 21:59 GMT
#10053
No kidding, it's 300 euro here+shipping. A damn fine price for that thing.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 22:26:18
June 24 2015 22:21 GMT
#10054
Currently on the market for a video card. That being said I could hold out for a couple months for prices to stabilize due to new 300 series and Fury release?
What is your budget?
~300USD range (willing to stretch it to around 350 if insanely good deal)

What is your monitor's native resolution?
2560x1440 + 1920x1080 (2nd monitor)

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
LoL (max), Modern Triple AAA title on 1440p at around high settings.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
watching tv shows, youtube videos, shitposting on forums.

Do you intend to overclock?
Probably not.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Probably not.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Nope.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
liftlift > tsm
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 24 2015 22:52 GMT
#10055
at that price really just 290/290x from amd or a 970 from nvidia
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 24 2015 22:53 GMT
#10056
On June 25 2015 07:52 Kupon3ss wrote:
at that price really just 290/290x from amd or a 970 from nvidia

yeah, that's what I was figuring.

Diamond is offering a r9 290 for 220 bucks, I might just get that.
liftlift > tsm
Nuf
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark145 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 08:02:22
June 26 2015 08:01 GMT
#10057
What is your budget?
My budget for the computer is 1600$

What is your monitor's native resolution?
I will be going for full hd

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
All kinds. For example CS:GO, League of Legends to new single player titles such as The Witcher 3 etc.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
I'd like to stream, I'd like to make youtube videos.

Do you intend to overclock?
Yes, slightly.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
I don't have experience with dual graphics card, so no.

Do you need an operating system?
No.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
This is just for the computer itself, so no. (Full tower case I do need though.)

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Any brand as long as it's quality. I do like MSI (motherboard etc.) and Intel CPUs and Nvidia Graphic cards.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
I live in Denmark, we have a komplett.dk here.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I don't have a retailer preference, if you know a good one I'm open ears.

Hope you guys can help me. I'm sitting on a 10 year old computer, and it deserves retirement.
Edit: Also, it does not need to spend all 1600$, for the sake of spending it. If you can do it cheaper, by all means go ahead. But Denmark is an expensive country...
For the Swarm!
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
June 27 2015 18:21 GMT
#10058
What budget card would you guys recommend for CS:GO that would be an upgrade from GTX 460?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
June 27 2015 21:37 GMT
#10059
Maybe an r9 280, check that you have near 100% GPU load when you have too low FPS though (so you're sure it's not just some other part of system limiting you - csgo is very gpu light)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
June 29 2015 21:38 GMT
#10060
I need a cheap, reliable SSD. It can have as little as 60GB for my purposes. Is there anything cheaper or better than a 128GB Crucial MX100?
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