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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 12 2015 05:37 GMT
#9281
Doesn't liquidation mean they sell all their stock cheap?

RIP TD q_q
maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 12 2015 05:50 GMT
#9282
Yep, everything is discounted to sell. Motherboards are 15% off apparently.
HewTheTitan
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada331 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 06:05:36
March 12 2015 06:05 GMT
#9283
This is less than an hour after I ordered elsewhere. You troll! jk
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
March 12 2015 10:23 GMT
#9284
Hei guys i have been thinking about buying a new pc.. what do you guys think of this build?



http://pcpartpicker.com/p/thsxt6
Yes im
89vision
Profile Joined September 2010
United States70 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 13:47:36
March 12 2015 13:44 GMT
#9285
On March 11 2015 03:03 Cyro wrote:
the v300 is a pretty bad SSD. It wasn't amazing before, but they shipped one version to reviewers and then crippled it with a hardware change under the hood and didn't announce it. There are much better SSD's out there~


Any reccomendations for 120 or 240 gb ssd under $150?
this one is really cheap right now on tigerdirect: Sandisk



I am having a hard time deciding if spending twice the amount on an i3-4160 is worth it vs a Pentium G3220. This build is for basic school work (like office and web pages), and regular 1080p streaming like netflix. Probably at the same time. I'm fine with overclocking but am thinking about using this Silverstone case so I can't use a large cooler.

Is the i3 "twice" as good for non gaming? Will it be relevant as long?

Thanks
An itch only a deadlift can scratch
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 05:34:52
March 12 2015 15:48 GMT
#9286
On March 12 2015 22:44 89vision wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 03:03 Cyro wrote:
the v300 is a pretty bad SSD. It wasn't amazing before, but they shipped one version to reviewers and then crippled it with a hardware change under the hood and didn't announce it. There are much better SSD's out there~


Any reccomendations for 120 or 240 gb ssd under $150?
this one is really cheap right now on tigerdirect: Sandisk



I am having a hard time deciding if spending twice the amount on an i3-4160 is worth it vs a Pentium G3220. This build is for basic school work (like office and web pages), and regular 1080p streaming like netflix. Probably at the same time. I'm fine with overclocking but am thinking about using this Silverstone case so I can't use a large cooler.

Is the i3 "twice" as good for non gaming? Will it be relevant as long?

Thanks


For gaming, it'll depend more on clock-speed than anything the hyper-threading you get by going from the Pentium to an i3, for most games. A faster dual core (Pentium) should be better than a slower dual core with hyper-threading (i3). A Pentium is more than enough for what you're describing and can pull off light gaming without problem as well. Don't expect to stream or video record with it though.

Neither the Pentium nor the i3 give off enough heat to warrant an aftermarket cooler, the stock cooler that comes from Intel is strong enough to cool a full-blown i5. If you notice the stock cooler is noisier than you'd like (which I doubt), you can always buy an after-market cooler and install it afterwards.


E: Lol that case is the one I bought for my parents' HTPC. Nice little case, well priced too.
maru lover forever
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
March 12 2015 23:43 GMT
#9287
On March 12 2015 14:37 Incognoto wrote:
Doesn't liquidation mean they sell all their stock cheap?

RIP TD q_q


I wouldn't RIP them yet - brick and mortar has never been their primary business. But it looks like maybe I have someplace to go this weekend...
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
usedtocare
Profile Joined August 2013
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 03:19:53
March 13 2015 03:16 GMT
#9288
Is this mobo sufficiently good for OC?
http://www.microcenter.com/product/433127/Z97_PC_Mate_Socket_LGA_1150_ATX_Intel_Motherboard

Is it worse than this? Am I essentially paying $30 more for a free mouse and better audio chipset?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770

Should I maybe get something else around $100? thanks!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20332 Posts
March 13 2015 03:36 GMT
#9289
The PC mate isn't good for OC. Those ~130 boards are around the minimum of what you should be buying
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
usedtocare
Profile Joined August 2013
United States243 Posts
March 13 2015 03:39 GMT
#9290
On March 13 2015 12:36 Cyro wrote:
The PC mate isn't good for OC. Those ~130 boards are around the minimum of what you should be buying


Do you have a personal favorite?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20332 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 06:10:44
March 13 2015 03:55 GMT
#9291
Not really but that $130 with a kunzu v2 pro thingy mouse is nice. That's not a bad mouse and it has some resale value.

The GIGABYTE z97x-gaming 5 (a very different board with a very similar name) is only $140 so that's a good choice - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=z97x-gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product - but that msi board, although VRM is worse it's still sufficient unless you're being anal about what parts can do what, the pricing and the mouse with it is good.

Most of the time i'd just say lol whatever free crap (i got some rubber dome keyboard with my g1 980 which had no value to me although it's a pretty good rubber dome board) but a kinzu v2 pro is actually a mouse that some self respecting and aim-aware gamer might want to use, AFAIK. I'm not sure of exact specifics of it but it should be alright if not super solid, and while the $60 "value" is quite adventurous, it's worth a fair price when new.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
usedtocare
Profile Joined August 2013
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 18:21:38
March 13 2015 16:39 GMT
#9292
On March 13 2015 12:55 Cyro wrote:
Not really but that $130 with a kunzu v2 pro thingy mouse is nice. That's not a bad mouse and it has some resale value.

The GIGABYTE z97x-gaming 5 (a very different board with a very similar name) is only $140 so that's a good choice - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=z97x-gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product - but that msi board, although VRM is worse it's still sufficient unless you're being anal about what parts can do what, the pricing and the mouse with it is good.

Most of the time i'd just say lol whatever free crap (i got some rubber dome keyboard with my g1 980 which had no value to me although it's a pretty good rubber dome board) but a kinzu v2 pro is actually a mouse that some self respecting and aim-aware gamer might want to use, AFAIK. I'm not sure of exact specifics of it but it should be alright if not super solid, and while the $60 "value" is quite adventurous, it's worth a fair price when new.


I wanted to thank you for all the advice, it really is amazing to be able to ask someone knowledgeable and get the answers.

But now I am drooling over the Gygabyte mobo after having ordered the msi one. What a sexy beast. Second-guessing sucks lol.

I think I am still okay though, I agree with your reasoning. I'll post the whole build. I feel I could've waited a bit until few items go on sale

here it is
MSI Z97-Gaming 5 LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard 129.99 w/kinzu v2 pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770

FSP Group Raider S 550 550W ATX 12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS SILVER Certified 49.99 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104179

Western Digital Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive 54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory 70.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666

Corsair Carbide Series 200R Black Steel / Plastic compact ATX Mid Tower Case 49.99 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018

And an i5 4690k from BestBuy pricematched with microcenter at $212 after tax

Shipping total was like $14

NET TOTAL 581 (Out of pocket expense 421, had some store credit at Best buy)
Michael-Hots
Profile Joined March 2015
United States5 Posts
March 13 2015 23:22 GMT
#9293
Hey. I'm wanting someone to critique my potential build.

So here's what I'm wanting;
-Gaming computer with a budget from 1k-1.5k
-The ability to run almost any game on it's highest settings with ease
-The ability to stream and have multiple programs open at once
-Plenty of RAM as well as memory so that I can use the computer for some smaller things like maybe school
-A keyboard...currently I have a $35 mouse that I'm happy with and can manage.
-I need everything, from top to bottom, mouse, computer chair, monitor, etc.

Sorry if it's not in the format as shown on page 1, I don't know all of that information.

Thanks.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 14 2015 00:30 GMT
#9294
Holy cow, 200g of thermal paste. You know the aftermarket coolers come with some already, and you don't even use more than say a grain-of-rice sized amount per application, right?

Anyway, I disagree with the allocation here primarily in terms of the amount spent inside the box vs. outside the box. Different people value in-game performance and everything else done on the computer with different weightings, especially because some spent a much greater percentage of their time gaming as opposed to other things, but I would say that most people probably spend too much on the box itself. For example, you are always looking at the computer monitor while using the computer, but the only time the difference between a GTX 970 and a GTX 960 (again, just an example) is felt is while playing certain newest AAA titles with details cranked.

Also, you are not specific about which games you care about, what these "multiple programs" might be, and so on, but for most people I would guess that downgrading the GTX 970 and the Core i7 would be prudent, on top of moving to 8 GB of RAM. RAM can always be upgraded later. You may even want to consider forgetting about CPU overclocking to save a further $100 or so on the model of Core i5, motherboard, and skipping the aftermarket cooler.

This is relatively unimportant, but the power supply there is relying on that $20 rebate and is actually kind of a mediocre build and quality. The wattage is a lot higher than you need for that, but the quality may be under some $50-60 models normally.

If you are running a 1080p 60 Hz monitor, I think an R9 290 at about $250 is about what to get if you're a a heavy gamer with an eye for graphics detail. The higher-end cards are more for hardware enthusiasts and gamers running 120+ Hz or 2560x1440 or some higher resolution. However, Nvidia has Nvenc, which you can use for encoding for streaming if you don't mind the quality downgrade and don't want to bog down the CPU.

Some people care a lot about having an SSD. Others don't. Some would pay for a more expensive mouse and keyboard while others won't care. Some would get much more expensive speakers while others don't care. Keep in mind also that surround sound setups don't work very well without the right speaker positioning and room, so make sure there are actually places to put the surrounds (at the correct heights too). Also note that when budget constrained, 2 channels is going to be better for music and may be better in most games where you're not wanting to precisely localize sounds.

You probably don't want the Acer H236HLbid for gaming because of the reverse ghosting from the pixel overdrive. That kills the whole deal. If you're looking for a 60 Hz IPS monitor, there are better choices. If you weren't, what are you even going for? Some would suggest getting a 120+ Hz monitor instead for better gaming fluidity—which would actually allow a GTX 970 to stretch its legs—but others don't care as much about that. It depends some on your expectations and the games played.

And what happened to the computer chair? Desk?`


All in all, the build is largely sensible in general, but I can't tell if it's appropriate without further information.
usedtocare
Profile Joined August 2013
United States243 Posts
March 14 2015 02:26 GMT
#9295
Can you ship me like 2 grams of dat rich paste in an envelope? I didnt order any!
TerranHwaiting
Profile Joined December 2014
Korea (North)179 Posts
March 14 2015 03:29 GMT
#9296
Hey. I'm wanting someone to critique my potential build.


Looks good, but 200g Thermal paste is the most funny thing I ever read in this thread. I have a 1g shot here and I used it already like 3 or 4 times and its still not empty. :D
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20332 Posts
March 14 2015 03:58 GMT
#9297
Some other notes would be lacking an SSD, cooler too low end for an expensive haswell overclocking build, 650w PSU when a moderately OC'd haswell quad core and a 970 will bring you to ~350w full system power. Without CPU OC, more like 250-300w
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Michael-Hots
Profile Joined March 2015
United States5 Posts
March 14 2015 13:02 GMT
#9298
On March 14 2015 09:30 Myrmidon wrote:
Holy cow, 200g of thermal paste. You know the aftermarket coolers come with some already, and you don't even use more than say a grain-of-rice sized amount per application, right?

Anyway, I disagree with the allocation here primarily in terms of the amount spent inside the box vs. outside the box. Different people value in-game performance and everything else done on the computer with different weightings, especially because some spent a much greater percentage of their time gaming as opposed to other things, but I would say that most people probably spend too much on the box itself. For example, you are always looking at the computer monitor while using the computer, but the only time the difference between a GTX 970 and a GTX 960 (again, just an example) is felt is while playing certain newest AAA titles with details cranked.

Also, you are not specific about which games you care about, what these "multiple programs" might be, and so on, but for most people I would guess that downgrading the GTX 970 and the Core i7 would be prudent, on top of moving to 8 GB of RAM. RAM can always be upgraded later. You may even want to consider forgetting about CPU overclocking to save a further $100 or so on the model of Core i5, motherboard, and skipping the aftermarket cooler.

This is relatively unimportant, but the power supply there is relying on that $20 rebate and is actually kind of a mediocre build and quality. The wattage is a lot higher than you need for that, but the quality may be under some $50-60 models normally.

If you are running a 1080p 60 Hz monitor, I think an R9 290 at about $250 is about what to get if you're a a heavy gamer with an eye for graphics detail. The higher-end cards are more for hardware enthusiasts and gamers running 120+ Hz or 2560x1440 or some higher resolution. However, Nvidia has Nvenc, which you can use for encoding for streaming if you don't mind the quality downgrade and don't want to bog down the CPU.

Some people care a lot about having an SSD. Others don't. Some would pay for a more expensive mouse and keyboard while others won't care. Some would get much more expensive speakers while others don't care. Keep in mind also that surround sound setups don't work very well without the right speaker positioning and room, so make sure there are actually places to put the surrounds (at the correct heights too). Also note that when budget constrained, 2 channels is going to be better for music and may be better in most games where you're not wanting to precisely localize sounds.

You probably don't want the Acer H236HLbid for gaming because of the reverse ghosting from the pixel overdrive. That kills the whole deal. If you're looking for a 60 Hz IPS monitor, there are better choices. If you weren't, what are you even going for? Some would suggest getting a 120+ Hz monitor instead for better gaming fluidity—which would actually allow a GTX 970 to stretch its legs—but others don't care as much about that. It depends some on your expectations and the games played.

And what happened to the computer chair? Desk?`


All in all, the build is largely sensible in general, but I can't tell if it's appropriate without further information.


About the 200g of thermal paste...lol. I know next to nothing about computers or how they work, and I went on reddit and asked someone to help me build a pc with the gaming budget I had in mind and he put some things in.

As far as the games go, Starcraft 2, probably battlefield, Heroes of the storm, some Steam games like Dota, path of exile, and the elder scrolls online. Basically I want to run flawlessly and have great graphics on the highest settings.

As for the speakers, I'm not even sure if I want them. I don't plan on using surround sound...just another thing the guy threw in. I made a few tweaks to his build because of the quality and ratings of some of the products. I do want a good monitor and graphics card but I don't need the highest end stuff to notice the "extra" details.

I do want a gaming chair (from what I heard from a korean player the cheapest they run in ~$80? If you guys could see this "laptop" I play and do things on, you'd laugh.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20332 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 14:07:58
March 14 2015 13:51 GMT
#9299
I missed a few posts sry

On March 12 2015 19:23 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Hei guys i have been thinking about buying a new pc.. what do you guys think of this build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/thsxt6


Don't buy that stuff, mostly bad. The CPU and GPU particularly

Any reccomendations for 120 or 240 gb ssd under $150?
this one is really cheap right now on tigerdirect: Sandisk


I'm not really up to date so recently it's just been mx100 all the things. Just don't touch a v300 or an 840 (regular or evo)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
HewTheTitan
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada331 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-14 18:29:35
March 14 2015 18:27 GMT
#9300
Thank you post/update:

I thought it might be nice to report: my new system is giving me 60+fps with sc2 on Extreme settings. Also, I'm even getting 50-60fps in grey goo most of the time, also maxed out. Doesn't feel like 60fps, feels more like 30, but fraps gives me that number, so who knows. Better than I expected. My computer fully boots in 10-15 seconds, and runs so quiet I don't even know its on.

So, again, thanks for the advice

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/dgpsBm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/dgpsBm/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.00 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($85.14 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($249.00 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.95 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($71.55 @ shopRBC)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($23.05 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1058.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-14 14:24 EDT-0400

I didn't notice this in time, but I'm okay with it:

Compatibility Notes

Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case has front panel USB 3.0 ports, but the Asus H81M-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard does not have onboard USB 3.0 headers. (disappointing, but fine)
Some Intel H81 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Haswell Refresh CPUs. (not an issue)
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