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Corsair Carbide Air 540 (concerns about the noise and no bottom dust filter. I found out they sell custom-made one in demciflex and the fans can be replaced for quiet ones. I like the case though.)
The air540 is usually ran in a config of 4:2 or 5:1 intake to exhaust. That creates a lot of positive pressure which means that dust can't enter from the bottom, rear, or anywhere else from the pretty open style of the case.
If you don't want to run six fans, you can run something like 3:1 (three front intake, one rear exhaust) completely fine, and you can also run like 800rpm fans if you feel like it.
It comes with a dust filter for the 3x front, but if you're intaking from top too then i would suggest looking up how people cheaply make basic dust filters. You don't need something expensive, people make dust filters all of the time.
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/18602-diy-dust-filter/ - from quick google
Was just an example of a high end case, because i spent a while looking and ended up with one of those pretty recently~
Cases don't make noise, fans do. Some fans are loud, others are not. You can control fan speed in various ways~ some cases have noise dampening stuff, but that usually lowers airflow and forces you to use higher fan RPM settings on case fans and GPU for similar cooling potential
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Maybe just the Define R4. Blocked vents are even better than filtered vents on the Arc Midi R2, like at the top, for keeping dust out (when not using). I don't know what about large midtowers wouldn't really be futureproof unless one day you decide you want a crazy watercooling loop or want more drives than the thing holds.
There are only a limited number of common upgrades one can make inside a case: swap CPU/mobo/RAM/graphics/other expansion/drives and so on. Unless what you're doing requires some unique or demanding usage of internal space, what's going to limit your possibilities in the future?
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didn't know that about dust filters, that's neat
meh i don't have a single dust filter at all, i just clean the case a lot and don't have the side panel on.
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On August 31 2014 03:19 Myrmidon wrote:YouTube, Twitch, video conferencing? Pretty much anything modern and not super-low-powerw, even the lowest end stuff, should be okay. Here's a deal on a $225 system (Celeron 1017U, i.e. dual core, low-power Ivy Bridge 1.6 GHz so not thaaat bad) including OS: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/desktops/lenovo/q-series/q190Use a cheapo passive HDMI -> DVI converter if necessary. Other systems at a higher price would be a little more powerful, but as skyR pointed out earlier, if you need a Windows license, going part-by-part is often more expensive in this price range. For $335, with a Haswell dual core at 2.8 GHz (this for sure being plenty for your uses): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883156229 For some reason I was oblivious to how much W7 etc is these days. I now see how the prebuilt with cheap license just wins out in that range ... like how every dollar you save shopping manufacturers and models cannot match the dells and such savings on cheap windows. Anyways, I learned something thx all.
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On September 01 2014 05:24 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 03:19 Myrmidon wrote:YouTube, Twitch, video conferencing? Pretty much anything modern and not super-low-powerw, even the lowest end stuff, should be okay. Here's a deal on a $225 system (Celeron 1017U, i.e. dual core, low-power Ivy Bridge 1.6 GHz so not thaaat bad) including OS: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/desktops/lenovo/q-series/q190Use a cheapo passive HDMI -> DVI converter if necessary. Other systems at a higher price would be a little more powerful, but as skyR pointed out earlier, if you need a Windows license, going part-by-part is often more expensive in this price range. For $335, with a Haswell dual core at 2.8 GHz (this for sure being plenty for your uses): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883156229 For some reason I was oblivious to how much W7 etc is these days. I now see how the prebuilt with cheap license just wins out in that range ... like how every dollar you save shopping manufacturers and models cannot match the dells and such savings on cheap windows. Anyways, I learned something thx all.
Maybe you have an old copy of windows XP or vista. Install that with the licence and upgrade to W7, maybe.
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Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Just get a better PSU of lower capacity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068&cm_re=rosewill_capstone-_-17-182-068-_-Product
i5 build with cheaper cooling, mobo would be much more cost effective. Alternatively, if you care about multithreaded performance enough to pay for i7 and stronger cooling, you could just do something like this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.61 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($209.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($208.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($204.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB DirectCU II Video Card ($436.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Blue ATX Full Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K70 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($111.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse ($68.11 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Astro A40 + MixAmp Pro - White 7.1 Channel Headset ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2264.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-01 23:13 EDT-0400
i7 4790k has ~1.2x the multithreaded performance of i5. The 5820k has around ~1.7x the multithreaded performance, so it's a far far far bigger upgrade.
For actual numbers, some realistic values on x264 benchmark (well, stability test) i've been using:
About 3.5fps for i5
about 4.1fps for quad core i7 (@4.5ghz)
probably 6fps is achievable with 6-core i7 5820k
4 core vs 4core+ht vs 6core+ht. If 4 core isn't "enough" for you, then the 6 core is a very appealing option at that pricing, especially if you were considering any kind of expensive z97 or cooling stuff.
That x99 motherboard may or may not be bad, i'm not sure. Just an example.
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What is your budget?
~$800
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
CS:GO, DayZ, Dota2, all on high or whatever
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
just ordinary stuff nothing special
Do you intend to overclock?
Maybe, probably not
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
n/a
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
n/a
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4440 is terrible. get the 4570 it's ~10% faster for like $10 more.
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For a friend of mine, gaming PC with a 700 € budget:
+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
€ 700,00
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
This generation's games in 1080p, or 720p 60 FPS
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Uni work etc.
Do you intend to overclock?
No sir!
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Intel CPU, SSD, HDD
Mini ITX would be wonderful, but it's not necessary if it kills the budget.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany, Europe
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Not in love with alternate, to be honest.
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For an H81 motherboard, you pay a 50% premium for m-itx over standard. So that's €20.
http://www.amazon.de/ASRock-H81M-DGS-Mainboard-micro-ATX-DDR3-Speicher/dp/B00HUFQ1EC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-1&keywords=H81
vs
http://www.amazon.de/Asrock-H81M-ITX-Mainboard-Mini-ITX-Speicher/dp/B00EOBXQW0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-2&keywords=h81 itx
I think good cases for m-itx are the Bitfenix Prodigy or the Node 304 from Fractal Design, both of which are more expensive than solid budget cases, I guess, such as the Cooler Master N200:
http://www.amazon.de/Fractal-Design-FD-CA-NODE-304-BL-PC-Gehäuse-schwarz/dp/B009PIEMUC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409766868&sr=8-1&keywords=node 304
http://www.amazon.de/BitFenix-Prodigy-Mini-ITX-Gehäuse-schwarz/dp/B008BZVTX8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409766794&sr=8-1&keywords=bitfenix prodigy
http://www.amazon.de/Cooler-Master-NSE-200-KKN1-Midi-Tower-PC-Gehäuse/dp/B00BTQD40W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-1&keywords=N200
So you're paying a ~€50 premium for the m-itx, that's what I get after a few minutes of searching.
After that, it's mostly standard stuff. i5 4690 which is compatible with the H81M-itx from ASRock. No SSD since I think that GPU power is better, however you can change that if you want. The PSU is the Superflower Golden Green, good PSU for its price. There are cheaper PSUs but you're better off with a good unit. €60 does seem a lot for a 450W PSU, not sure if there are better options, but I don't go over the budget either way. I hesitated at the Pro 450W, but it's just not as good as the Superflower unit. The graphics card is an R9 280, which should be good for high to ultra settings on 1080p. It'll be good enough for most games, you won't max Crysis 3 or Arma 3 but you'll still get some good performance. I went with the Node 304 for this build since it's a bit cheaper than the Prodigy.
http://www.amazon.de/Super-Flower-SF-450P14XE-HX-Netzteil/dp/B00H2ZZKB0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-1&keywords=superflower golden green 450
http://www.amazon.de/Crucial-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00CEU-Ballistix-Arbeitsspeicher-240-polig/dp/B006YG94Y2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409767584&sr=8-1&keywords=8 Gb RAM
http://www.amazon.de/Intel-i5-4690-Prozessor-3-90GHz-Sockel/dp/B00K5J2252/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409767569&sr=8-1&keywords=i5 4690
http://www.amazon.de/Western-Digital-WD10EZEX-interne-Festplatte/dp/B0088PUEPK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1409767680&sr=8-2&keywords=western digital 1tb
http://www.amazon.de/ASUS-Radeon-3072MB-GDDR5-90YV0620-M0NA00/dp/B00J3K9Y6E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=undefined&sr=8-1&keywords=R9 280
E: oops, misread, didn't see you wanted an ssd. i guess you'll have to eat into the CPU/PSU/GPU budget to afford one, maybe also get a smaller HDD.
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What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
This generation's games in 1080p, or 720p 60 FPS
1080p30 / 720p60 with bad AA and some missing settings is "console" level and it's not really difficult at all for a system anywhere near 700 euro to hit. A Haswell i5 and r9 280 is many levels beyond that~
I think m-itx is the "really small" form factor and matx is the "small", atx is "regular" so usually matx is fine without being too much of a problem for components, but mitx is more out of the way. I'm not really sure though, because i don't buy small form factor stuff
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I just got m-itx parts and then filled in the rest to accommodate the budget. If you can get to an i5 and the R9 280, no reason not to for a gaming build. I totally see the merits of a more portable system that m-itx offers, even m-atx can be somewhat cumbersome when you move around a lot, which is something that I do. However if he wants both an SSD and an HDD, he might need weaker parts to remain in budget. q_q
E: By the way, what are you running on the Air 540? 5:1 intake to exhaust? Did you notice a significant drop of temperatures from your old case to the Air 540, in terms of GPU / CPU ?
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I'm still not set up properly, it wasn't a big deal with me using only a "midrange" gpu (lol gk104) but it'll be more important when i'm running 300 watts down there.
Planning to run 5:1 though with pci-e slot covers removed. I already got substantial temp drops as it is, just because of clear airflow paths to/from cpu cooler so i can load the CPU and temps will peak in a minute or two and never go higher (as opposed to gradual case heating and rising over 10minutes+)
I don't think most people really care that much about mitx vs matx, and matx is easier to work with
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Alright so I'm asking here again because everything's changed a little. I'm looking for a ''Home-use'' laptop for my family who will use it for emailing, banking, social media, browsing, watching movies and perhaps playing some very light games on it. I've found a €500 laptop at Aldi (manufactured by Medion) here. The specs:
- Intel Core i3-4100M processor
- NVIDIA GeForce GT825M 1GB
- 4 GB RAM
- 1 TB hybrid harddisk with 8 GB Flash
- Standard dvd burner/writer
- Bluetooth 4.0
- HDMI- & VGA-output
- webcam with microphone
- 2x USB 3.0 and 2x USB 2.0
- 15.6'' 1366x768 screen
So this seems like a good deal for €500, right? Non-integrated graphics, fast booting with an SSD for the OS and a big drive for larger files, an i3-4100m processor and plenty of RAM. I'm wondering if this isn't too much for just a home laptop however.
I really just want a laptop that runs smoothly without any hiccups, big processing/booting times etc. It's safe to go with an i3 4100M but is it necessary? I have 0 experience with recent (low end) laptops so I'd like to hear you guys' opinion on this. If I should go for something cheaper, at what pricerange and CPU should I be looking at? Sadly a LOT of the low end laptops have just a 5400RPM hard drive in it which is really meh.
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On August 26 2014 11:44 skyR wrote:
GTX 760 would be a sizable upgrade from a GTX 470 but at the $300+ price point, you are better off with a GTX 770.
I didn't think I wanted to spend this much money, but in the end the difference is immense, and the parts will be useable should I decide to replace the mobo/cpu.
I started with this.
Added a Crucial MX100 256gb hard drive. Stuck with Win 7 and used the Acronis included with the drive to make the switch. I forgot to defrag beforehand, and I don't know if thats a big deal.
Then I got 8gb GSkill Ripjaw X series ram.
And finally an ASUS GTX 770.
Final build is here.
How did I do?
Any recommendations?
Many thanks, I actually referenced this thread a lot while going through the process. It helped me answer a lot of the questions I had, and even helped me search for more answers when I did not understand which questions to ask.
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You're running your RAM at 1690mhz due to a base clock overclock of 133mhz to 141.1mhz, it seems (or maybe it was just bugged there?)
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