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On May 28 2014 21:23 Incognoto wrote: Edit: Yeah I just added it up on amazon.de, it'd be cheaper to do it yourself and you get a better PSU. I threw in a decent budget case but you can get a better one if you want. €842 total
E: oops forgot cpu cooler. i stole ropid's and here we are. but this is still cheaper, you get better parts. and I did this in 3 minutes on amazon.de, if you do research with other distributors you could shave off even more money.
thanks man. looks good, but the problem is: i have no clue about building pcs on my way. and i dont want to screw up something. thats why i went on a site where i can just set up things from a list, they build it together and i can start as soon as it survives. and at the moment i dont got enough time to learn everything about it due to work.
but i'll see how much i can save by going to amazon and if it really pays off ima try and ask a friend or try to learn it by myself
but thanks so far!
Other shops like mindfactory.de or hardwareversand.de or alternate.de are cheaper than Amazon. If you buy all parts through them - and they do have a large inventory and you get everything you want typically - you can also save on shipping costs.
They do also have that service where they assemble the PC for you for a bunch of € and another service where they test it for some more €. I don't know if they are allowed to install that large cooler for you. It might rip everything apart when the case gets thrown around while it's shipped to you.
Mindfactory is typically cheapest. They also have a deal where you will not pay shipping costs if you order in the middle of the night between 0:00 and 6:00. You can compare prices for everything on geizhals.de. You will see MF is often close to the top for all parts. Geizhals.de is also where you can find ideas for what other shops to look at other than those I mentioned.
Building yourself isn't hard, really. All parts are actually separate devices. You are basically only connecting everything with cables and stuff. Things you are not allowed to do, the cables will simply not fit. You can just go slow and take your time and take hours to finish and nothing goes wrong typically.
The only scary part from my point of view is the CPU socket. The moments between removing its protective cap and installing the CPU, the pins inside the socket are exposed. Those pins are super sensitive. If you let something fall inside the socket, the motherboard is instantly broken.
On May 28 2014 21:23 Incognoto wrote: Edit: Yeah I just added it up on amazon.de, it'd be cheaper to do it yourself and you get a better PSU. I threw in a decent budget case but you can get a better one if you want. €842 total
E: oops forgot cpu cooler. i stole ropid's and here we are. but this is still cheaper, you get better parts. and I did this in 3 minutes on amazon.de, if you do research with other distributors you could shave off even more money.
thanks man. looks good, but the problem is: i have no clue about building pcs on my way. and i dont want to screw up something. thats why i went on a site where i can just set up things from a list, they build it together and i can start as soon as it survives. and at the moment i dont got enough time to learn everything about it due to work.
but i'll see how much i can save by going to amazon and if it really pays off ima try and ask a friend or try to learn it by myself
but thanks so far!
Why ibuypower and not say hardwareversand or something else that does assembly?
Actually, a quick look through shows a comparable build possible for less but with a quieter case, quieter graphics card (probably), quieter power supply, and some other improvements: + Show Spoiler [build] +
If you go through the build configurator, that includes the 30 euros cost of assembly. Actually, on second thought Corsair lists 160 mm CPU cooler clearance and the HR-02 Macho is 162 mm, but usually they just tend to be conservative. If not, similar Scythe Mugen 4 was the same cost anyway, and that uses a 120 mm fan and has a height of 156 mm.
On May 28 2014 21:23 Incognoto wrote: Edit: Yeah I just added it up on amazon.de, it'd be cheaper to do it yourself and you get a better PSU. I threw in a decent budget case but you can get a better one if you want. €842 total
E: oops forgot cpu cooler. i stole ropid's and here we are. but this is still cheaper, you get better parts. and I did this in 3 minutes on amazon.de, if you do research with other distributors you could shave off even more money.
thanks man. looks good, but the problem is: i have no clue about building pcs on my way. and i dont want to screw up something. thats why i went on a site where i can just set up things from a list, they build it together and i can start as soon as it survives. and at the moment i dont got enough time to learn everything about it due to work.
but i'll see how much i can save by going to amazon and if it really pays off ima try and ask a friend or try to learn it by myself
but thanks so far!
Other shops like mindfactory.de or hardwareversand.de or alternate.de are cheaper than Amazon. If you buy all parts through them - and they do have a large inventory and you get everything you want typically - you can also save on shipping costs.
They do also have that service where they assemble the PC for you for a bunch of € and another service where they test it for some more €. I don't know if they are allowed to install that large cooler for you. It might rip everything apart when the case gets thrown around while it's shipped to you.
Mindfactory is typically cheapest. They also have a deal where you will not pay shipping costs if you order in the middle of the night between 0:00 and 6:00. You can compare prices for everything on geizhals.de. You will see MF is often close to the top for all parts. Geizhals.de is also where you can find ideas for what other shops to look at other than those I mentioned.
Building yourself isn't hard, really. All parts are actually separate devices. You are basically only connecting everything with cables and stuff. Things you are not allowed to do, the cables will simply not fit. You can just go slow and take your time and take hours to finish and nothing goes wrong typically.
The only scary part from my point of view is the CPU socket. The moments between removing its protective cap and installing the CPU, the pins inside the socket are exposed. Those pins are super sensitive. If you let something fall inside the socket, the motherboard is instantly broken.
alright will check these out. thanks
i once watched/helped a friend build his pc (mainly watched ^^) it was so frustrating, he was on it for so many hours and in the end something didnt work as intended. so he had to rebuild all of it. all in all it took him 10+ hours to finish it and he already had some knowledge about pcs. and tbh if something gets broken and its my fault it will be even more frustrating. so yea i prefer to get it built together by some kind of professionals :p and its not just connecting, you have to know where everything is supposed to go, which cable is for what, then you have to try and not get the cables messed up. :D ima look how much the prebuilding will cost and if i'm willing to pay it. but thanks for your advice anyways!
just to be sure: the other parts are all good (except cooler/case/psu and the ssd kingston stuff -> probably bigger case to fit in be quiet dark rock 3, then lower psu/other brand probably be quiet, too and a different ssd brand) right? just so im sure about the parts i have to look out for and i can start properly comparing
On May 28 2014 21:23 Incognoto wrote: Edit: Yeah I just added it up on amazon.de, it'd be cheaper to do it yourself and you get a better PSU. I threw in a decent budget case but you can get a better one if you want. €842 total
E: oops forgot cpu cooler. i stole ropid's and here we are. but this is still cheaper, you get better parts. and I did this in 3 minutes on amazon.de, if you do research with other distributors you could shave off even more money.
thanks man. looks good, but the problem is: i have no clue about building pcs on my way. and i dont want to screw up something. thats why i went on a site where i can just set up things from a list, they build it together and i can start as soon as it survives. and at the moment i dont got enough time to learn everything about it due to work.
but i'll see how much i can save by going to amazon and if it really pays off ima try and ask a friend or try to learn it by myself
but thanks so far!
Why ibuypower and not say hardwareversand or something else that does assembly?
Actually, a quick look through shows a comparable build possible for less but with a quieter case, quieter graphics card (probably), quieter power supply, and some other improvements: + Show Spoiler [build] +
If you go through the build configurator, that includes the 30 euros cost of assembly. Actually, on second thought Corsair lists 160 mm CPU cooler clearance and the HR-02 Macho is 162 mm, but usually they just tend to be conservative. If not, similar Scythe Mugen 4 was the same cost anyway, and that uses a 120 mm fan and has a height of 156 mm.
i just heard of people buying on ibuypower and they were all satisfied. and i havent been comparing that much, first i wanted to have a plan on what parts i need and then go compare different sites. and tbh 30€ +- is not much of a big deal. but yeah im gonna go compare some sites now as i know what parts i need.
Before you order, just ask again with your list. It can always happen that a PSU isn't the best you can choose, no matter what brand, so someone might always find something better for you in the shop you want to order.
The RAM that you had on the list, it's great that its heat-spreader is tiny and will fit below the fan on the Dark Rock 3. RAM like that is what you should put on your list. The only thing you might want to look at is the speed of the RAM. I bet there's also offers with same price at a higher speed like 2133 MHz.
When looking for a board, you might also want to include the Z97 boards instead of only Z87. I think those new boards can run fine with the i5-4670k CPU. The future i5-4690k will still take a month or longer until it's released.
On May 29 2014 00:01 Ropid wrote: Before you order, just ask again with your list. It can always happen that a PSU isn't the best you can choose, no matter what brand, so someone might always find something better for you in the shop you want to order.
The RAM that you had on the list, it's great that its heat-spreader is tiny and will fit below the fan on the Dark Rock 3. RAM like that is what you should put on your list. The only thing you might want to look at is the speed of the RAM. I bet there's also offers with same price at a higher speed like 2133 MHz.
When looking for a board, you might also want to include the Z97 boards instead of only Z87. I think those new boards can run fine with the i5-4670k CPU. The future i5-4690k will still take a month or longer until it's released.
aight will do!
ok sounds good.
for the board: as far as i know the i5-4670k can be overclocked with the Asus Z87-K- so it gets as fast as a i7 processor. you sure i can do that with the Z97 too?
i once watched/helped a friend build his pc (mainly watched ^^) it was so frustrating, he was on it for so many hours and in the end something didnt work as intended. so he had to rebuild all of it. all in all it took him 10+ hours to finish it and he already had some knowledge about pcs.
When i've built from scratch i usually take like three hours but that's with all the stuff like cable management and being thorough enough to power up 100% fine first time. If you're speed building you can throw something together in 10 or 15 minutes - for a newbie, it's really hard to guess. Some people are way faster than others, and it depends a lot on how much you know "basic" stuff like which of the four slots to put the RAM into and how to apply thermal paste etc
I think those new boards can run fine with the i5-4670k CPU. The future i5-4690k will still take a month or longer until it's released.
Not opened oc.net since ~10hours ago, do you have a source or is this still rumor? (the second part)
I know september was rumored by one "source" but quite a few people didn't think it would happen and i kinda agree, everything we saw before was June 2'nd and september seems too late. There are "sources" and "confirmed" stuff everywhere but nobody knows what the hell is going on with everything from devil's canyon to haswell-e to maxwell
I want to upgrade my GPU, im out of the loop since it has been a few years with this old one.
i have an AMD HD 6870 1GB card, its from my previous PC and was very good when i bought it, but its time is coming to an end. My power supply is a quality 500W PSU with gold star rating and all that stuff. I build my PCs myself, so heat transport is no issue.
I looked around and basically around 350 euro there is the amd R9 290. The Nvidia card, that compares to it seems to be the GTX 780, but that one is a cool 150 euro more expensive (wtf).
It seems to me te only logical choice would be the R9 290. Anyone has any inputs on this? And will my 500w be enough? I dont want to blow it up. My Cpu would be a i5 2500K, my motherboard handles the clockspeed and multipliers.
500w is ok for a 2500k and r9 r290, and 290 is a decent choice if you don't want to wait for 6 months (we're still on the 2012-2014 GPU generation) - might have to watch OC's, particularly combined GPU + CPU OC. The GPU would use lots more power than the CPU though, so if you keep it stock you're probably fine for a normal CPU OC.
which exact psu model is it though? Most are 450w or 550w.
Make sure that you don't get reference cooled 290 unless you're a fan of leaf blowers. They need to keep fan speeds somewhat high (like 2-3k rpm) to maintain stock speeds sometimes and it sounds pretty bad on that blower style cooler, it's one of the worst reference coolers out there to buy and AMD screwed up putting it on their high end cards
The Sapphire tri-x cooler is good. Avoid Asus DCU-II if you're picky.
I'm gonna guess Be Quiet! Straight Power E9 500W. Though yeah, what's the model? Most 500W power supplies should be able to handle that, as stated above, though.
I once had a 650W, but that blew up and i was lucky it didnt take my PC with it, so i bought a smaller one since my PC didnt need any more.
Im not in a rush, i stil can play games on high settings, but i currently have some overflow money, thats why i wanted to upgrade. Hardware is so expensive in EU TT
Silent Pro Gold 500W? Wait, that never existed. You linked what looks like original Silent Pro M (there's a newer Silent Pro M2), which is definitely not gold ra ted for efficiency. It's fairly solid though, in terms of actual performance and reliability, just not that efficient and kind of dated. The product description is pretty much wrong because it says 50A on +12V (600W) on a 500W power supply. Silent Pro M 500W has only 408W on +12V, so in terms of modern +12V-heavy computers it's more like a 430-450W model. It should still be enough for an R9 290. Just don't overclock it or push up the default power limit.
You could wait on the next generation of graphics cards. Or maybe just don't spend all the budget and save some for the next upgrade. An R9 280X can already almost double the performance of an HD 6870.
Well, i checked my case and it said silentpro 500w, i dont think i have any paperwork for it left. It was definately highly rated and with all kinds of certificates, i specifically looked for that stuff after my old PSU exploded i the middle of the day and almost killed my PC.
Maybe i should just upgrade, its just very annoying to do so because the cables run behind the mainboard. maybe running those modern monster cards with my CPU on 34A is not too clever.
On May 29 2014 08:55 Cyro wrote: Avoid Asus DCU-II if you're picky.
Is this a general Asus DCU-II problem? I'm planning on getting a non-reference Asus 780 Ti in my build.
I read they have some small teething problems. Something about heat pipes not fully covering the GPU. Bad memory modules as well? I think it might be only for AMD cards (if google is anything to go by):
But despite Asus DirectCU II R9 290 only having three of five heatpipes touch, noise levels are okay, much better than reference and in the pack. It's an issue with multiple manufacturers, really.
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