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On January 06 2014 11:40 wptlzkwjd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 10:54 micksr wrote:Hey guys I just built a computer that I built from here. Having some issues, and needing to know if I need to return this graphics card, also wondering if my psu is powerful enough. Anyway here's the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440109. I post here because I thought it kind of related to building my computer, and maybe I can get some advice before I decided to return it. Thanks It seems to me that your GPU is overclocked and not stable because it's very similar to what happens to me. Do you ever get the BSOD when it requires a hard reset? If so, what's the error?
I have gotten the BSOD once, I didn't write down the error. I read that some others lowered the clock speed on theirs and it fixed it, I tried it and it didn't work, but maybe I didn't go low enough. I'll try again soon.
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Hi TL, I would like to help me with PC build, first of all I need two PC's for different reasons, let's take a look separately:
PC #1
What is your budget?
600-620$
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1280x1024
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
World of Warcraft mostly, mid-high settings
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Internet surfing, skyping and etc
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Ukraine, but it's fine to use european prices
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No
PC #2
What is your budget?
600-620$
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1680x1050
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Starcraft2 mostly with medium settings, don't wanna loose some frames due to 200vs200 fights
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Social networks, inet surfing, skype, and playing some games like half life2
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, I need a monitor atleast from 22 to 24 inches
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I've heard that latest Intel processors fits sc2 the best (f.e i3-4xxx series)
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Ukraine, but it's fine to use european prices
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No
P.S. Am going to buy all the parts at inet shop of my friend, http://enter.biz.ua but unfortunately, their website does not support eng language for now. Thanks!
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For the second build at very least, you're ideally looking to get an i5 4670 with an H81 motherboard. I'm not sure that it'll fit your budget though. GPU should be something like a GTX 650 or an HD 7770. That should be able to run SC2 reasonably well, probably beyond medium settings even. However if you ALSO need a monitor on top of that..
Try this on for size: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/2wv50
€500. If you want to get a decent monitor on top of that, I think it should cost €150, which is €650 total. That's out of your budget unfortunately. So maybe you could switch the i5 4570 for an i3. I'm not sure I'd recommend this. i3s are a bit on the expensive side for what they are. They're dual cores with hyperthreading; i5s are true quad-cores, which is better. i3s are fine chips but again, they cost a tad too much for what they are. The better alternative at that price range would be AMD processors, however they have poor single-threaded performance, which makes them far from ideal for playing SC2.
I wouldn't scrap the i5, I would either stretch the budget a bit (getting an i5 4430 instead of a 4570 would probably help) for the monitor or just get a cheap monitor that cost like €80 in electronic stores. Get the prettiest one that isn't too expensive, for example. They won't be great but they'll do, I guess.
For the first build, I would probably recommend the 7770 again (especially at that resolution..) however this time I think you have more freedom in terms of CPU choice (you can get something cheaper than an i5). But, I won't say more since I don't know what WoW really needs to run well. It's a pretty old game if I'm not mistaken, so it can't be too demanding. Otherwise the parts remain the same as the first build: 8 Gb of RAM, 1 TB HDD, that PSU isn't too bad at €44, the case is one of the best budget cases in Europe as well.
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On January 06 2014 17:29 Incognoto wrote:For the second build at very least, you're ideally looking to get an i5 4670 with an H81 motherboard. I'm not sure that it'll fit your budget though. GPU should be something like a GTX 650 or an HD 7770. That should be able to run SC2 reasonably well, probably beyond medium settings even. However if you ALSO need a monitor on top of that.. Try this on for size: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/2wv50€500. If you want to get a decent monitor on top of that, I think it should cost €150, which is €650 total. That's out of your budget unfortunately. So maybe you could switch the i5 4570 for an i3. I'm not sure I'd recommend this. i3s are a bit on the expensive side for what they are. They're dual cores with hyperthreading; i5s are true quad-cores, which is better. i3s are fine chips but again, they cost a tad too much for what they are. The better alternative at that price range would be AMD processors, however they have poor single-threaded performance, which makes them far from ideal for playing SC2. I wouldn't scrap the i5, I would either stretch the budget a bit (getting an i5 4430 instead of a 4570 would probably help) for the monitor or just get a cheap monitor that cost like €80 in electronic stores. Get the prettiest one that isn't too expensive, for example. They won't be great but they'll do, I guess. For the first build, I would probably recommend the 7770 again (especially at that resolution..) however this time I think you have more freedom in terms of CPU choice (you can get something cheaper than an i5). But, I won't say more since I don't know what WoW really needs to run well. It's a pretty old game if I'm not mistaken, so it can't be too demanding. Otherwise the parts remain the same as the first build: 8 Gb of RAM, 1 TB HDD, that PSU isn't too bad at €44, the case is one of the best budget cases in Europe as well.
Talking about i3-i5 processors and sc2, if am not mistaken sc2 working only with 2 cores, so why do I need 4 cores? Yes, I get that i3 is expensive for it's potential, but it's still better that most of AMD products. Monitore is not the issue, i'm still not sure how many inches i wanna for comfortable game :D
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Yea just for playing sc2, i5 doesn't make much sense. It won't scale two cores vs four so haswell i3 @3.6ghz is good option. It's nice to have an i5 4670 for other stuff (especially with a midrange gpu) but not neccesary.
An i5 4430 @3.0-3.2ghz depending on turbo at a greater price than i3 @3.6 would not be appealing to me for a rig to just play sc2 and do other tasks where cpu does not matter
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On January 06 2014 18:44 Cyro wrote:
Yea just for playing sc2, i5 doesn't make much sense. It won't scale two cores vs four so haswell i3 @3.6ghz is good option. It's nice to have an i5 4670 for other stuff (especially with a midrange gpu) but not neccesary.
An i5 4430 @3.0-3.2ghz depending on turbo at a greater price than i3 @3.6 would not be appealing to me for a rig to just play sc2 and do other tasks where cpu does not matter
Intel Core i3 4130 3.4GHz (3mb, Haswell, 54W, S1150) is the best possible option amoung of i3 processors in a shop am going to buy. Few question about GPU, ATI Radeon R7 250 1Gb GDDR5 Sapphire in comparison to Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card? Or maybe some gigabyte/msi/asus/palit analogs u could possibly recommend?
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Well, I just dislike the idea of building a €500+ system for just one game. I'm sure you highly enjoy SC2, but will you ONLY ever play that game? In my opinion, computers need to have a minimum of longevity to them and should be able to do more than just one task. Games that have yet to come out will probably be much better optimized than SC2, if you ever want to play them the quad-core might be better.
However, you're completely right that i3 is a perfectly viable choice. It still has hyperthreading, it's still a good CPU. Even if it isn't as cost-efficient as a more expensive i5, it's still way less expensive. So, 100% go for it if you've weighed the pros and cons. :p
As far as I know, the 7770 is (much) faster/better than the R7 250. Though it really does depend on pricing, if the prices are very close than the 7770 is b etter, otherwise if you can get the R7 250 dirt cheap it should probably run SC2 at those settings without problem.
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Well, I just dislike the idea of building a €500+ system for just one game
I do too, but i5 costs money, it's kinda wasteful to get 3.0-3.2ghz model instead of 3.5-3.9, and then once you've done that it just looks silly if you don't have at least a midrange gpu next to it, and suddenly the budget is up 50% or more
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On January 06 2014 19:16 Incognoto wrote:
Well, I just dislike the idea of building a €500+ system for just one game. I'm sure you highly enjoy SC2, but will you ONLY ever play that game? In my opinion, computers need to have a minimum of longevity to them and should be able to do more than just one task. Games that have yet to come out will probably be much better optimized than SC2, if you ever want to play them the quad-core might be better.
However, you're completely right that i3 is a perfectly viable choice. It still has hyperthreading, it's still a good CPU. Even if it isn't as cost-efficient as a more expensive i5, it's still way less expensive. So, 100% go for it if you've weighed the pros and cons. :p
As far as I know, the 7770 is (much) faster/better than the R7 250. Though it really does depend on pricing, if the prices are very close than the 7770 is b etter, otherwise if you can get the R7 250 dirt cheap it should probably run SC2 at those settings without problem.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not going to use the system only for a single game, I just want this single game run properly and without lags, and basicly i think that with current system I can comfortably play MK9, Metro2034 and some older games like WC3, besides it would be possible even to stream WC3, generally not interested in video rendering or streaming.
About GPU, there are dozen of close to 7770 cards but different brands, R7 250 is the closest of saphire radeon avaliable for now and the prices are almost equal (like 8 euro difference in 7770 favour), so am gonna try to figure out what would be the closest (as an example GF GTX650 1Gb DDR5 Palit), but since u told it not gonna matter, i'm starting to doubt, should I even explore the differences? :D
About current memory, no options to get Avexir, what about Goodram, Hynix, Team products?
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Indeed. I kind of see now that recommending an i5 with a low clock rate, is inefficient compared to getting an i3 with a nice clock rate, at a much lower price.
I also feel that perhaps, for a given GPU, the gaming performance differences between an i3 and an i5 are minimal. They're there, especially for games like BF4, but for most other games I think we're talking about a couple FPS at most. Generally speaking, the AMD CPUs are better than i3s at that price range though, so people get them instead. SC2 is an exception to that rule.
Edit: If there's an €8 difference between the R7 250 and the 7770, the 7770 wins hands down. Google a few benchmarks, you'll see. GTX 650 vs HD 7770 is a closer match but I think the 7770 comes out slightly ahead.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/536?vs=681
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_650_msi_power_edition_review,16.html
In terms of which brand to get, I think just the least expensive is good. Sapphire/Gigabyte/ASUS/MSI are mostly equivalent, imo.
Oh and the RAM I got was just generic RAM to see how the final build would be priced. Any RAM would do I guess. 8 GB of RAM is good. Best price should be the one you're getting. Look for 1600 MHz at 1.5V if possible, otherwise 1.65V is good too. I've never heard of any of those brands though tbh
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@ Incognito
@ Cyro
Big thanks guys, u helped me with my doubts and thoughts 
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Generally speaking, the AMD CPUs are better than i3s at that price range though, so people get them instead.
Haswell i3 is actually quite a beast, they increased clock speed some since ivy. You'd need an fx8320 to have a significantly better CPU (as apu or fx-6300 at stock will lose in some areas and not win by a large margin in others) so for non-OC it's a surprisingly good choice. APU is sweet for lower budget and you could probably pull away with a midrange build and oc'd 6300 for most stuff (just not sc2) but it's actually an ok choice, moreso than ivy i3 against vishera
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Okay final build:
MSI H81M-E33 Socket 1150 (~44 Euro)
Intel Core i3 4130 3.4GHz (3mb, Haswell, 54W, S1150) (~99 Euro)
GF GTX650 1Gb GDDR5 MSI (N650-1GD5/OC v1) (~85 Euro)
DDR3 2x4GB 1600MHz Goodram 1,5v (~63 Euro)
Case + PSU ProLogix A05B/5026 Black PSS-460W-12cm (~45 Euro)
Monitor Acer 23" TFT G236HLBbd (ET.VG6HE.B03) Black (~119 Euro)
HDD SATA 1.0Tb WD, 6Gb/s, 64Mb, Caviar Blue (~50 Euro)
Total: 505 Euro
P.S. Strange to have a monitor as the most expensive part O_o
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You don't have a psu in there
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It might be with the case. The name has a "460W" in it.
You should definitely hunt down a serious review about the PSU in that case before you buy it where they open it up and judge the parts being used on the inside of it. There's actually PSUs that can act dangerous on a hot summer day for example, catch fire.
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On January 06 2014 21:57 Ropid wrote:
It might be with the case. The name has a "460W" in it.
You should definitely hunt down a serious review about the PSU in that case before you buy it where they open it up and judge the parts being used on the inside of it. There's actually PSUs that can act dangerous on a hot summer day for example, catch fire.
Sounds legit. Yea, PSU comes with case, but it's not a big deal and those components can be easily replaced by Aerocool Strike X 500 500W or some Zalman PSU equivalent with almost any Tower(case).
UPD: Build will be almost 80 Euros cheaper cause all the items moved with trade but not retailer price.
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Is the case good though? I'd expect a psu or a case to cost 45 euro, not both
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On January 06 2014 22:54 Cyro wrote:
Is the case good though? I'd expect a psu or a case to cost 45 euro, not both
Case is just very simple, PSU seems okay but still thinking about more powerful 500w PSU
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You don't need 500w, 250 would probably be more than fine but it's important to have good quality unit, the rated wattage is not a good indication of quality
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Okay, than aiming for some Zalman PSU's, seems like their products pretty fine.
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