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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
But overall the varity of choices is big enough to pick properly. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 06 2014 20:42 Cyro wrote: Haswell i3 is actually quite a beast, they increased clock speed some since ivy. You'd need an fx8320 to have a significantly better CPU (as apu or fx-6300 at stock will lose in some areas and not win by a large margin in others) so for non-OC it's a surprisingly good choice. APU is sweet for lower budget and you could probably pull away with a midrange build and oc'd 6300 for most stuff (just not sc2) but it's actually an ok choice, moreso than ivy i3 against vishera ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eFhlEYx.png) Yeah not only is it a good CPU but it's also not priced that bad. It's still €40 more than the FX 6300. However if we're taking overclock into account, which is perfectly valid since you're going to want to overclock the FX 6300 to get the most out of it, then costs go up. You're already going to want a good heatsink for the FX 6300, which should cost €40+. Then you're going to want a good motherboard for overclocking. I imagine it won't cost €50. A little google search told me that the GA-990FXA-UD3 is a good choice and that's €105 on amazon.fr. This seems somewhat expensive so maybe there are cheaper motherboards to be found that will allow for a good overclock on the FX 6300. So that's €145 + €95 which means that an overclocked FX 6300 (the goal here being to out-perform the i3 4340) will be €260, which is definitely marginally more expensive than an i3 and H81 motherboard. €260 is actually enough for an i5 and H81. ..This seems somewhat wrong, I think I must have messed up the prices in the motherboard/heatsink required to overclock the FX 6300. So instead another google search seemed to indicate the GA-970A-UD3, which is about €75. That goes for about €210. That sounds better, it's less expensive than an i5 4670 by itself. ^So maybe such a set up wouldn't be so bad, for the FX 6300. I'm guessing it does out-perform the i3 4340 but perhaps not enough to be worth its cost? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
multithread vs singlethread, it's hard to give up one for the other but i3's a pretty powerful option now http://i.imgur.com/GE5bblS.png ^4670/4770 turbo to ~3.7-3.9, so i3 @3.6 and otherwise same performance | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Anyway, I decided to do some reseach for this post and found this blog entry: http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/multi-core-and-multi-threading/ It was a very nice read, it explained very clearly how threads work, how multi-tasking works, as well as why more cores / hyperthreading is a good thing and why it still has it limitations. Single thread performance remains quite important; I remember reading on oc.net that someone thought that single threaded performance will be something less and less relevant as programs are able to utilize more cores efficiently. While that is partly true, I don't believe we'll ever see a program written that won't still be somewhat limited by sequential instructions, so single thread performance will forever remain an important aspect to a CPU. I'm not sure which processes, besides gaming as that's obvious, would benefit greatly from single thread performance. Perhaps things like boot times for the OS? Compressing .rar files and uncompressing them? Geeh, I almost want an i3 now. Except I already have its big brothah | ||
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
I've been considering upgrading my GPU from a 570 to a 770 which as far as I can tell is a solid call, and ditching my 2 21" monitors for a single 24" as I only use my PC every now and then for gaming these days. I've had a browse around and I can obviously get a nice upgrade but reading about g-sync has given me pause, there is a g-sync option available in the UK but it seems devastatingly overpriced: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-modified-24-asus-vg248qe-g-sync-black-led-monitor-1920x1080-800000001-350cd-m-1ms-vesa-dport All previews I've read seem to shit praise for this tech and it does sound pretty snazzy, especially for lower end cards which probably doesn't include a 770 now but it may well extend its life expectancy. Either way its over £150 more for essentially the same monitor, that being said jitter does really bug me in a fair number of games but would a 770 with something more like this (or other 120hz or higher monitor) be worthwhile? http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-007-AO&groupid=17&catid=510 I really should know these things but I've been out of PC gaming for a while now ^_^ | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On January 07 2014 06:30 adwodon wrote: Anyone have any opinions on getting a new monitor? I've been considering upgrading my GPU from a 570 to a 770 which as far as I can tell is a solid call, and ditching my 2 21" monitors for a single 24" as I only use my PC every now and then for gaming these days. I've had a browse around and I can obviously get a nice upgrade but reading about g-sync has given me pause, there is a g-sync option available in the UK but it seems devastatingly overpriced: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-modified-24-asus-vg248qe-g-sync-black-led-monitor-1920x1080-800000001-350cd-m-1ms-vesa-dport All previews I've read seem to shit praise for this tech and it does sound pretty snazzy, especially for lower end cards which probably doesn't include a 770 now but it may well extend its life expectancy. Either way its over £150 more for essentially the same monitor, that being said jitter does really bug me in a fair number of games but would a 770 with something more like this (or other 120hz or higher monitor) be worthwhile? http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-007-AO&groupid=17&catid=510 I really should know these things but I've been out of PC gaming for a while now ^_^ I have the VG248QE and the 144Hz is amazing. I also run it with a GTX 770 and i5 4670K. The resolution might not be the greatest like a 1200 or 1440 but 1080p on 24 inches is perfect because the text is still readable without adjustment. Not sure how much £150 is but I bought it on sale in Canada for $250 in case you wanted to do a price comparison. And it's 3D vision ready in case you want to purchase the 3D vision kit from Nvidia in the future! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
You still get jitter with G-Sync because it still depends on when the frames are ready, which is fluctuating. And if the game simulation is off, this doesn't fix it. However, not having to rely on fixed refresh timings should help a lot with consistency of motion. And when it works, you don't get tearing either. But both tearing and jittery motion should be less apparent on a 144 Hz monitor in the first place. For what it's worth, it looks like the actual pixel response times on the AOC monitor are slower than on the Asus (and not with configurable overdrive like on the Asus). Also no 3D Vision support and no LightBoost if you want to mess with those LightBoost hacks for strobing and blur reduction. I'm not sure if the G-Sync version of the VG248QE has those features with G-Sync disabled... might be worth a look. Though if you had to choose between the two, G-Sync addresses different issues but is a bigger deal so you'd probably want to be going with that anyway. So it may not be fair to call them essentially the same. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Pretty insane difference, like getting an SSD all over again That's not a final version of what G-Sync screens will be like. This particular screen should have absolutely no options the original ASUS screen has in its menus as everything about that gets replaced by the current G-Sync kit which seems a bit like a hack. The price is also off because of that kit and should look different in a final version built by ASUS themselves. I'd probably wait for those screens to be released. Yea i was dissapointed to learn this a few weeks after buying. Guess i'll maybe have to flip this monitor if i want gsync; but that was a large part of diving into this model over other ones | ||
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-070-BQ | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
AMD claims 20% better IPC for legacy x86 code on shortly upcoming Kaveri (Steamroller) as compared to Richland (Piledriver). They quote IPC because clock speeds are down on the CPU cores. Maybe more of the power budget is for the GPU and allowing the CPU and GPU to work together? This 20% is almost assuredly talking about loading multiple cores and getting the benefits in some workload of having two instruction decoders per module instead of one. That means single-threaded IPC improvement should be nothing like 20%. hUMA is in full force so more general compute applications can put those GCN GPU cores to work. Some contrived calculation got 7x speedup from using the GCN cores, for example. HD 7750 has 512 GCN cores, just for reference. Nvidia announced the new mobile Tegra chip, now for the first time using the current desktop GPU architecture, Kepler (to no one's surprise). Also as not much surprise, it uses 1 SMX, which is 192 Kepler CUDA cores. Of course, having 1 SMX means it can shed a lot of the logic connecting and managing multiple SMXs that is in the desktop/laptop chips. GTX 770 uses 8 SMXs for 1536 CUDA cores, while GTX 780 Ti has 15 SMXs for 2880 CUDA cores. So from now on, all Nvidia mobile chips will be using the same architecture as the laptop/desktop stuff. The relevant tie-in here is that they say all upcoming architectures will be (are) designed for mobile first (mobile as priority, not necessarily mobile products appearing on market first). Intel primarily focused on a push for 3D embedded cameras, voice, other more natural inputs as opposed to touch in some address. Relevant for the eventual future of computing and human-computer interface I guess. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
However the reviewer is relatively unknown. What's shown here must be taken with a grain of salt (cinebench is apparently partial to intel). Either way, comparing Kaveri to Richland, it seems Kaveri isn't that big a step up? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
They quote 302 vs 90 on multi vs single.. that's ~1.68x scaling onto two threads on a module. It got WORSE since piledriver? | ||
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Slakkoo
Sweden1119 Posts
What is your budget? $1400-1500 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? World of Warcraft, Battlefield 4, Dota 2. No need for max settings but high would be good. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Mostly schoolwork and surfing/skyping. Do you intend to overclock? No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. I like Nvidia and intel. An i7 would be nice. What country will you be buying your parts in? Sweden. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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mooseman1710
United States153 Posts
is this a good bundle (price/quality) for an i3 haswell? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On January 08 2014 15:58 Incognoto wrote: There's a first review out for Kaveri: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-A10-7850K-Performance-Review-529/ However the reviewer is relatively unknown. What's shown here must be taken with a grain of salt (cinebench is apparently partial to intel). Either way, comparing Kaveri to Richland, it seems Kaveri isn't that big a step up? 1. Looks like the column was pulled for the moment: Despite never communicating so to us, it has become clear that AMD intends for performance data to be withheld from the public until January 14th. In good faith we have proactively decided to take down this review until that time. Sorry everyone! 2. Also - Matt Bach is hardly an 'unknown' - look at his past works from 2011 through 2013: http://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php He is also Jon Bach's younger brother - you know, Jon, president of Puget systems. Also Matt's certainly has the breadth and lengthy industry experience that gives him credibility over most. You might want to actually perform some due diligence before saying he's an unknown haha. 3. Looks like OCN thread has the charts and quotes: http://www.overclock.net/t/1457371/puget-systems-amd-a10-7850k-performance-review/0_50#post_21537570 | ||
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