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My motherboard just got fried and I'm looking for recommendations for a replacement that will work with my current (not too hot) set up.
I currently run:
(DEAD)Motherboard: Foxconn P45A-S LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80580Q8300
GPU: EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 Video Card - 768MB GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual DVI, Mini HDMI, SLI, DirectX 11
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
PSU: Rosewill Xtreme Series RX750-S-B 750W Continuous @40°C ,80 PLUS Certified, ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91, SLI Ready CrossFire Ready, Active PFC Compatible with Core i7, i5 Power Supply
OS: Windows 7 (64 bit)
I'm looking to stay under $150 if that's possible. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
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On January 09 2014 13:25 Tapatio wrote:
My motherboard just got fried and I'm looking for recommendations for a replacement that will work with my current (not too hot) set up.
I currently run:
(DEAD)Motherboard: Foxconn P45A-S LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80580Q8300
GPU: EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 Video Card - 768MB GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual DVI, Mini HDMI, SLI, DirectX 11
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
PSU: Rosewill Xtreme Series RX750-S-B 750W Continuous @40°C ,80 PLUS Certified, ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91, SLI Ready CrossFire Ready, Active PFC Compatible with Core i7, i5 Power Supply
OS: Windows 7 (64 bit)
I'm looking to stay under $150 if that's possible. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Could try an MSi board:
http://products.ncix.com/detail/msi-g41m-p33-combo-matx-lga775-g41-ddr3-1pci-e16-1pci-1-1pci-vga-sata2-usb2-0-motherboard-59-79104.htm
It's $70 but it supports DDR3 RAM so maybe use the rest of your budget to upgrade that too? Here's a 4GB kit for $50.
http://products.ncix.com/detail/g-skill-ripjaws-f3-12800cl9d-4gbrl-pc3-12800-4gb-2x2gb-ddr3-1600-cl9-9-9-24-core-i5-1-5v-memory-kit-41-42745.htm
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hi. im complete noob in computer building and i wish to build my own.
my budget is at most $670 to at least $447
Since I know jack squat about the components, I wish to build the budget gamer build ($472) in the OP.
I've done a bit of research through the internet about the prices in one particular shop
http://pcx.com.ph/
the items listed in the budget gamer build (without the case) amounted to $425
there's this site that's been recommended to me, its kind of like an ebay type of marketplace.
http://www.tipidpc.com/ where people do meet ups for the sale.
One of the games I'd like to play would be the Call of Duty series and Skyrim.
If there's anything I've missed please do tell since I know nothing (jon snow).
thanks!
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Is there a reason as to why the RAMs that the OP listed as around 60$ are all now 80+$? Should I wait to buy 2x4GB RAM? I can't find any 2x4s that are in the 60 dollar range that the OP has posted in the builds. TT
How are these lesser-known companies' RAM? ie. TEAM and Apotop? Sounds sketchy to me.
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The majority of RAM is made by SK Hynix. Choosing RAM based on the reseller is kind of pointless. As for prices, DDR4 is going to be coming into fruition by the end of the year (on Halo products) so the price hike is basically price fixing because they can.
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iTz, thanks man. But yeah after researching more I learned about the SK Hynix factory fire which really hindered supply of RAM, so I read that it was moreso low supply and the economy doing better >> higher demand, than actual price fixing.
But, unless I am going to wait for DDR4, I should just assume these are going to be the price points for this whole year?
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I can't decide between the i3-4130 @ 99$ or the i5-3570k @ 159$ or even the i5-4670K @ 179$ (All Microcenter prices)
Having the ability to OC looks appealing, but I am upgrading from an Athlon X2 250 so the initial jump in performance is much bigger from my build now to the i3 than from the i3 to the i5s (correct me if I am wrong on that) and I am fairly certain I will be blown away by the i3 compared to the proc I am running now. But will the extra 60$ or 80$ make my experience that much better? (not to mention I would have to buy an aftermarket heat sink for the OC'ing)
I have seen the benchmark/performance charts and I know the i5s are better and unlocked but I really can't translate those charts into reality and be able tell if it's worth it to dish out the extra 60 bucks for the i5 3570k? The i3-4130@ 99$ seems like such a steal.
I pretty much only play sc2, but that might change, I'm not really sure. I do like having lots of things/windows/programs open.
I still need to get RAM also as I am running 2x2 GB so the 60$ saved (if going for the i3 over the i5) pretty much covers my RAM, almost.
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On January 09 2014 18:40 mooseman1710 wrote:
I can't decide between the i3-4130 @ 99$ or the i5-3570k @ 159$ or even the i5-4670K @ 179$ (All Microcenter prices)
Having the ability to OC looks appealing, but I am upgrading from an Athlon X2 250 so the initial jump in performance is much bigger from my build now to the i3 than from the i3 to the i5s (correct me if I am wrong on that) and I am fairly certain I will be blown away by the i3 compared to the proc I am running now. But will the extra 60$ or 80$ make my experience that much better? (not to mention I would have to buy an aftermarket heat sink for the OC'ing)
I have seen the benchmark/performance charts and I know the i5s are better and unlocked but I really can't translate those charts into reality and be able tell if it's worth it to dish out the extra 60 bucks for the i5 3570k? The i3-4130@ 99$ seems like such a steal.
I pretty much only play sc2, but that might change, I'm not really sure. I do like having lots of things/windows/programs open.
I still need to get RAM also as I am running 2x2 GB so the 60$ saved (if going for the i3 over the i5) pretty much covers my RAM, almost.
I'd go with the 4670k if you actually will overclock, not just say you will overclock which all of my friends seem to do when buying CPUs. But keep in mind that you will most likely have to buy a separate cooler, whether air or water, for the CPU if you do decide to overclock. This might cost you another $20.
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
Get i5 and OC if you want monster CPU (4670k), get $99 i3 if you don't. The biggest price gap would be in some random h81 board for non OC, vs a ~z87x-d3h and beefy cooler for good+cool OC
I'd go with the 4670k if you actually will overclock, not just say you will overclock which all of my friends seem to do when buying CPUs.
Worth a quote, like half a dozen people here who bought OC setups did not actually OC, or just set ~4-4.2ghz at a high voltage without stability testing. I'm kinda questioning reccomending any cooler worth money, because few seem happy to use more than like ~1.2v on i5 (which is freezing.. haswell or not)
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If I am just doing basic web surfing and playing sc2, that doesn't really require a monster computer right? Is it possible to tell me the difference between a monster computer and the i3? Maybe in terms of how many things you're doing at once or how much faster things would be? Ahh I'm sorry if that will yield a very vague weird answer.
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/Ck3B9u5.png
http://i.imgur.com/IGtsRrU.png
i3 would be around the bottom for that model (3.4ghz) and i5 you can probably hit near the top with OC, is good for i3 because sc2 doesn't scale past ~1.5 cores. That benchmark is labeled in CPU core speed, uncore speed, RAM clocks (because sc2 seems to scale with RAM bandwidth/latency)
For a video encoder that's maxing all cores, OC i5 would be twice as fast (2 cores vs 4) and then like *1.3x on top of that because of higher clock speed, so like 2*1.3 (~2.6x) as fast with a decentish oc (4.42ghz), that is if you math assuming linear scaling with core counts and frequency.. and it's probably close enough to do that for a video encoder.
You're paying for that in like $80 more for CPU and a big chunk extra on mobo and cooler (like $50 each) as well as some time, if you don't find OC fun then it's not the most enjoyable thing to do
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What's a voltage that would require a good cooler then? 1.2-1.3 ish?
I have a Q6600 laying around (well it's not laying around since it's being used) that I would like to attempt overclocking. But I don't know what my motherboard is for that board, nor do I know where the hell I'm going to find a P45 board. Then there's the cooler which I don't feel like buying (though it could do with a replacement).
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On January 09 2014 22:27 Incognoto wrote:
What's a voltage that would require a good cooler then? 1.2-1.3 ish?
I have a Q6600 laying around (well it's not laying around since it's being used) that I would like to attempt overclocking. But I don't know what my motherboard is for that board, nor do I know where the hell I'm going to find a P45 board. Then there's the cooler which I don't feel like buying (though it could do with a replacement).
You can overclock on any LGA 775 motherboard...
E: You are going to be thermally limited long long before the ICH of the motherboard becomes a factor (Most LGA 775 motherboards use a 90nm process for their chipsets which limits their max FSB speed, while the late boards (P45/G45 ect) use a 65nm process which can clock much higher).
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United Kingdom20343 Posts
What's a voltage that would require a good cooler then? 1.2-1.3 ish?
Pretty vastly different between CPU architectures and even stuff like i5 vs i7
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On January 09 2014 01:10 Incognoto wrote:
Why do you want an i7 in particular? Do you know what it means to get an i7 over an i5? Your budget completely allows for an overclocked 4770k though, so you can get it. Just, if you're not going to use its capabilities why not save money and get an i5?
Well, thats true I guess. I just thought the price difference would matter even though the capabilities wouldn't be used fully.
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^Is just kinda pointless to get i7 for certain situations because it only offers a performance benefit over i5 under specific loads
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On January 09 2014 19:35 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://i.imgur.com/Ck3B9u5.png http://i.imgur.com/IGtsRrU.pngi3 would be around the bottom for that model (3.4ghz) and i5 you can probably hit near the top with OC, is good for i3 because sc2 doesn't scale past ~1.5 cores. That benchmark is labeled in CPU core speed, uncore speed, RAM clocks (because sc2 seems to scale with RAM bandwidth/latency) For a video encoder that's maxing all cores, OC i5 would be twice as fast (2 cores vs 4) and then like *1.3x on top of that because of higher clock speed, so like 2*1.3 (~2.6x) as fast with a decentish oc (4.42ghz), that is if you math assuming linear scaling with core counts and frequency.. and it's probably close enough to do that for a video encoder. You're paying for that in like $80 more for CPU and a big chunk extra on mobo and cooler (like $50 each) as well as some time, if you don't find OC fun then it's not the most enjoyable thing to do
Keep in mind that desktop i5s have 6MB L3 cache vs i3s 3MB. This actually makes a huge difference (too lazy to look up and link benches, shouldn't be too hard to find) even with both running at the same frequency. It should be fairly intuitive - after all L3 cache is accessed before RAM, and it's way faster than RAM.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521-12.html
with Dual channel DDR3-1600, L3 cache was 185GB/sec in this bench, while RAM was at 20GB/sec. So, I would first invest in getting an i5 over an i3, then in CPU overclocking, and lastly faster RAM.
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i3 has half as many cores though, too. I don't know how useful more L3 is when CPU is at lower overall loads (or in general)
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I mean specifically for SC2 where 2 cores are doing all of the work (and really, as you've mentioned often, it's mostly 1 with the 2nd at ~50%)
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129
i3 2100 vs i5 2400, 45.4 vs 58.7 FPS - that's ~29% more for the i5
Comparing the two chips:
- exact same architecture, same L1 and L2 cache sizes when looking at 2 cores, cache latencies, etc.
- 3.1GHz vs 3.3GHz on 2 cores for the i5 so ~6% frequency advantage
- 3MB L3 vs 6MB L3
So, out of 29%performance advantage, only 6% can be explained by higher clock speeds. The extra cores on the i5 almost certainly don't contribute by easing other minimal system load (check the dual-core with no HT Pentium G850, actually gets 47.8FPS).
So I would estimate roughly 20% better perf. in SC2 from increasing the cache in this particular type of architecture. Might not be as significant (per size increase) when going from, for example, 6MB on i5s to 8MB on i7s (and it doesn't do as much it seems, 2500K vs 2600K are within margin of error from each other)
EDIT: I know some things changed with Haswell but this type of analysis still applies.
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That seems really big, i dunno what to say
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