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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
I looked up the Turbo speeds of the i5-2400 and they are like this: 3.2, 3.3, 3.3, 3.4, so it should run at 3.2ghz or 3.3ghz, never at 3.4ghz compared to i3-2100 (I'd bet Windows will very rarely disable a core so it should be 3.2ghz). Haswell i3 is improved to 4MB cache, i5 still at 6MB, and there's an i3 that seems neat with 3.6ghz clock speed. It might do a lot better. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
so it should run at 3.2ghz or 3.3ghz, never at 3.4ghz Turbo seems to just do whatever it feels like when you're not at like 100% load on multiple cores 4340 sure kicks ass | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
The extra L3 cache probably actually does help nontrivially though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-6.html (See G860 and i3 2100 vs i5 2400) Of course I know there's lot of other benchmarks from various websites that "show" that they're much closer together. I am not cherry-picking here for the sake of an argument - or at least, not in an unjustified way. We have to look at how they ran their test. Many have average frame rates in the 70s or something like that, and they'll mention that they were using a long replay (or something similar with very few big battles to actually stress the CPUs in the scenarios that we really care about). For what it's worth, Phenom IIs showed similar big advantages over Athlon IIs EDIT: This is also why Cyro's RAM results corroborate. If faster RAM matters, then more L3 cache definitely matters even more as I was saying earlier - because it's checked before RAM, and it's almost an order of magnitude faster. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
But yeah, performance figures from AT and elsewhere (and especially Athlon II vs. Phenom II as pointed out) make the case. | ||
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
Case = Corsair Carbide 200R HDD = Western Digital Blue 1TB PSU = Rosewill Capstone 450 RAM = G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 1600MHz Mobo = MSI B85M-G43 CPU = Intel Core i5 4670 SSD = Samsung 840 120GB GPU = ASUS Radeon R9 270 2GB My biggest question I suppose is about the video card: the gtx 660 is almost exactly the same price with a free game (AC4). The comparisons I've found through a quick google show the cards as pretty similar, would it be dumb / shortsighted to get the gtx 660? Also his old HDD is still functioning, would having 3 drives total be a problem to fit on that mobo for any reason? Gonna do some price comparisons between sites before I place any orders, just easiest to link all to newegg (USA based) Thanks!  Edit: forgot to note, this person does not want to do any overclocking | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Also the MSI B85M-P33/E33 might be a tiny bit cheaper, not sure, look it up. These motherboards have 4 SATA ports if memory serves, so enough for 2 HDDs, 1 SSD and an optical drive. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On January 10 2014 14:14 Trumpet wrote: Trying to help out a friend who's replacing an old dell PC and wants to build something that will allow him to play games again and for the foreseeable future (~5 years). Budgeting around $800-900, so I'm mostly copying the guideline build in the first post. Basically I'm just posting here to make sure I haven't made any glaring oversights in compatibility or missing an obviously better deal. Monitor / optical drive / OS etc being transferred over. Case = Corsair Carbide 200R HDD = Western Digital Blue 1TB PSU = Rosewill Capstone 450 RAM = G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 1600MHz Mobo = MSI B85M-G43 CPU = Intel Core i5 4670 SSD = Samsung 840 120GB GPU = ASUS Radeon R9 270 2GB My biggest question I suppose is about the video card: the gtx 660 is almost exactly the same price with a free game (AC4). The comparisons I've found through a quick google show the cards as pretty similar, would it be dumb / shortsighted to get the gtx 660? Also his old HDD is still functioning, would having 3 drives total be a problem to fit on that mobo for any reason? Gonna do some price comparisons between sites before I place any orders, just easiest to link all to newegg (USA based) Thanks! Edit: forgot to note, this person does not want to do any overclocking Having 3 drives is fine unless he also has 4 CD drives. There are 6 SATA slots so he's good. Definitely do some price comparisons...your 8GB RAM is particularly expensive considering you can get 16GB for $140. The 1TB HDD is also pretty expensive, for $30 more you can get a 3TB. The R9 270 is a better card than GTX 660. Because AC4 is being given away from free by Nvidia as a promotion, it would be a mistake to calculate the full retail price of the game ($60) into the savings because you can get it on eBay for about $20. Plus it's smaller which makes cable management and installation easier if you're stoned or drunk. Here's a comparison of the two: http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-270-vs-GeForce-GTX-660 Also, 120GB SSDs are selling for about $90 in Canada so you can probably get that cheaper as well xD. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
There's this kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428&clickid=w7:3h8Shr10MXzY0xoT0wWcNUkT1i4TZXSOVSs0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na Which is a bit slower than what you're getting (1600 vs 2133), though it's cheaper and it's at $70 with the promo code. In fact, I THINK that you can't take advantage of the faster RAM with that motherboard without going into the BIOS and touching stuff and whatnot (does a non-OC board have the ability to set RAM speed higher?), either way the gains from getting 2133 MHz RAM over 1600 MHz are minimal, especially if there's a big price difference such as what we have here. | ||
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
On January 10 2014 22:11 Incognoto wrote: There's no need to pay a lot of extra money for 16 Gb of RAM, unless you really need it. If you're not sure whether you need it or not, it means you probably don't. There's this kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428&clickid=w7:3h8Shr10MXzY0xoT0wWcNUkT1i4TZXSOVSs0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na Which is a bit slower than what you're getting (1600 vs 2133), though it's cheaper and it's at $70 with the promo code. In fact, I THINK that you can't take advantage of the faster RAM with that motherboard without going into the BIOS and touching stuff and whatnot (does a non-OC board have the ability to set RAM speed higher?), either way the gains from getting 2133 MHz RAM over 1600 MHz are minimal, especially if there's a big price difference such as what we have here. oh whoops, good catch! I didn't actually intend to go with 2133, juggling too many tabs atm >.> Thanks for the infos yall Reason for just getting the 1TB HDD is the person who'd be using it is used to having only 500GB, so with a 120GB SSD and a 1TB + the old 500GB HDDs that should more than suffice. On January 10 2014 15:28 Incognoto wrote: Also the MSI B85M-P33/E33 might be a tiny bit cheaper, not sure, look it up. These motherboards have 4 SATA ports if memory serves, so enough for 2 HDDs, 1 SSD and an optical drive. That one is indeed about $5 cheaper, I may still stick with the currently listed one though as it has room to add memory and the 2 extra SATA ports. Gonna keep it in mind though if budget concerns arise! | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On January 10 2014 22:11 Incognoto wrote: There's no need to pay a lot of extra money for 16 Gb of RAM, unless you really need it. If you're not sure whether you need it or not, it means you probably don't. There's this kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428&clickid=w7:3h8Shr10MXzY0xoT0wWcNUkT1i4TZXSOVSs0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na Which is a bit slower than what you're getting (1600 vs 2133), though it's cheaper and it's at $70 with the promo code. In fact, I THINK that you can't take advantage of the faster RAM with that motherboard without going into the BIOS and touching stuff and whatnot (does a non-OC board have the ability to set RAM speed higher?), either way the gains from getting 2133 MHz RAM over 1600 MHz are minimal, especially if there's a big price difference such as what we have here. Eh...it's debatable because his friend wants a machine for the next 5 years. Who knows what kind of stupidly high and useless requirement CoD will have in the future. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On January 11 2014 05:43 Cyro wrote: COD Ghosts only uses like ~2gb of RAM though Yeah it's stupid and useless but unless you fill their requirement, you can't even launch the game xD. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
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Rodrek
United States14 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1508494 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On January 11 2014 13:31 Rodrek wrote: I've been looking into buying a computer for the past few months... After looking through this thread and piecing together a bunch of things, I randomly stumbled onto a "Combo bundle" from newegg that seems pretty decent. Being the computer illiterate that I am I would like to hear what TL thinks about it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1508494 It's a nice build but you can probably price match each part for slightly cheaper. The 120GB SSD looks particularly expensive, you can get an ADATA 128GB SSD for around $80 CAD. HDD you can get for $60, RAM prob $70, and i5 4670K + mobo combo is around $320-340. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On January 11 2014 13:45 wptlzkwjd wrote: It's a nice build but you can probably price match each part for slightly cheaper. The 120GB SSD looks particularly expensive, you can get an ADATA 128GB SSD for around $80 CAD. HDD you can get for $60, RAM prob $70, and i5 4670K + mobo combo is around $320-340. The power supply is also extremely bad and should be replaced immediately. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
I'm building my PC this weekend and I have some questions: My case has 3 fans, do I connect them directly to powersupply or to motherboard?` | ||
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