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On December 22 2013 17:01 IMKR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 02:02 Ropid wrote:
MSI Afterburner is a program where you can tweak things about voltage and clock speeds of your GPU and the GPU's memory chips, also tweak the way the fans on the GPU react to temperature increases. It wants to run at Windows start-up and will show up as an icon in the notification area of the task-bar.
Prime95, you should probably not use anymore on Haswell CPUs! Haswell introduced "AVX2" instructions and improvements to the older "AVX". Programs using that stuff can squeeze a lot more performance out of the CPU than what was previously possible. The extra performance does not magically come free and will produce a lot of heat compared to past CPUs. That's a problem in prime95 in its stress test mode as it is not behaving like a normal program that only occasionally throws in some AVX instructions instead of using them continuously back-to-back.
Additionally, I feel prime95 is not that good to prove stability. Despite it running without crashing the PC, you might still see crashes in normal use. That was different in the past.
x264 is great because it's actually a normal program and using AVX for something useful. This is what you should use.
Heaven is great for seeing if the GPU works right. In my experience, it's about the hottest the GPU can get for normal stuff.
I don't feel comfortable to suggest anything to use as I don't know any program that works well to show stability. A current chess engine seems to work great but that might take some annoying research to set up.
The best proof of stability in my mind would be to just use the PC for games and stuff for hours for several days and see what happens. This means I do not have anything good to suggest for what to do if you build a PC for someone else. :/ are all of these free software? also, what about this http://store.steampowered.com/app/223850/its on sale and someone said to get it.
3D Mark and 3DMark 11 are pretty good benchmarks. You can download them for free and try it out instead of spending the $2.50. For GPU benchmarking, if you're interested, I suggest Heaven Unigine 4.0, which is also free.
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I've been tasked with figuring out how to upgrade my brothers computer, and don't know too much about it! So all knowing TLers, would you mind helping? :D
What is your current build?
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Wolfdale 45nm Technology
RAM
2.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz (7-7-7-20)
Motherboard
alienware alienware (Socket 775)
Graphics
SyncMaster (2048x1152@60Hz)
1024MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 (NVIDIA)
Storage
232GB Seagate ST325041 0AS SCSI Disk Device (SATA)
Optical Drives
HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H55L ATA Device Audio
High Definition Audio Device
750W PSU
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I was thinking motherboard + cpu + graphics card and ram? He doesn't really use his computer for anything other than streaming (watching)/gaming. So play games at better graphics?
What is your budget?
~500-600$
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
I think he likes nvidia
I was thinking the typical gamer build?
Processor (CPU) $215 Intel Core i5 4670
Motherboard $75 MSI B85M-G43
Memory (RAM) $60 G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 1600MHz
Video Card (GPU) $180 ASUS Radeon R9 270 2GB
Maybe an nvidia card instead?
He has that older giant ass alienware case so that's not gonna be an issue w/ size or anything.
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On December 22 2013 17:56 IMKR wrote:another question on this build that destiny is doing for one of his client + Show Spoiler +at 28:11 he talks abuot a molex connector to power the fan controller. what is this fan controller thing? and a molex connector used for? the case he used is a source 210. is this fan controller a separate item you have to buy?
People usually think of those old, large, flat 4-pin power connectors when someone says "Molex". I'm sure you know which I mean. The PSUs all still have a bunch of those.
Molex is actually a trademark. Technically, all kinds of connectors are Molex connectors. Those tiny fan connectors and the large PCI-E power connectors and the 24-pin power for the board, etc. Some other connectors are something else. For example the connectors on the cables for the case buttons and lights are not Molex (and I forgot the name).
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I'm reposting this, not sure if it was seen earlier in the thread as I had it hidden in a spoiler.
What is your budget?
$800-$1200 (nothing strict, I can go over)
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1680x1050. May buy a new one.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Not a ton of gaming. Would like to play starcraft on medium at least. I don't mind spending a bit extra if I change my mind and play a few more games. I definitely don't need to play AAA on high settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Basic Office type stuff, programming, some medium size database work, HD stream watching. 2 monitors (3 if it's inexpensive/easy to do). Possibly some screen-capturing to make videos.
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
Yes. Whatever version of windows is preferred.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
keyboard, mouse for big hands. I would like to try a mechanical keyboard. Mouse only needs to be decent.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
Thank you. Sorry if I have missed anything.
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What is your budget?
700-800
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League of Legends, Dota 2, SC2, Diablo 3. Medium
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Streaming if I am able to
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Only thing I do have is a monitor, mouse and keybboard
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None
Thanks in advance and I am sorry if I missed anything!
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I currently have just a 4.5 year old laptop and I'm planning on building my first PC.
What is your budget?
$1000-$1200 excluding peripherals.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
Plan to buy 1080p monitor.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Starcraft 2, all kinds of games on Steam, high settings. Mainly, I want a computer that will be able to play any game that comes out 0-5 years from now on at least medium settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Web browsing.
Do you intend to overclock?
No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, I think I'll get Windows 8.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, but I'm not concerned about them right now. Not part of my budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No.
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I've come up with a partial build:
Processor: Intel i5-4670 - $215
Graphics: EVGA GeForce GTX760 - $250
Heat sink: [don't know]
Motherboard: [don't know - fine with standard ATX or micro ATX]
RAM: Kingston Blu 2x4GB 1600MHz DDR3 - $73
Storage: Kingston 240GB SSD SATA 3 - $140 (Note: I'd like to get a 480GB SSD, but they're currently more than twice as much as the 240. I don't think I need a hard disk drive - I don't store movies on my computer and I only play a few games at a time.)
Power Supply: Seasonic M12II 620 - $95
Case: [don't know - fine with mid tower or micro]
OS: Windows 8.1 - $97
Also, an optical drive for ~ $20
A few questions:
-What motherboard should I buy and why?
-Do I need a heat sink if I'm not going to overclock? Would a 212 Evo be worth buying compared to the stock fan?
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You don't need a heatsink if you're not going to overclock, the stock cooler is enough. Good motherboard would be a nice B85 or H81 chipset.
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Why not a Z87? Also I've had two builds heat up on me with the stock intel heatsinks. I recommend getting a Zalman or similar aftermarket one even if you're not over clocking.
Edit: Just built a machine with an MSi Z87-G45 motherboard. It's very nice. =)
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A Z87 is for overclocking. If your'e not going to overclock, it's unnecessary expenditure. Similarly for an aftermarket heatsink. The stock cooler is enough to keep a CPU cool at stock speeds.
On another note, does anyone happen to have any recommendations for relatively cheap 2.1 speakers (~$20-40 CDN range)?
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On December 22 2013 02:02 Ropid wrote:
Prime95, you should probably not use anymore on Haswell CPUs! Haswell introduced "AVX2" instructions and improvements to the older "AVX". Programs using that stuff can squeeze a lot more performance out of the CPU than what was previously possible. The extra performance does not magically come free and will produce a lot of heat compared to past CPUs. That's a problem in prime95 in its stress test mode as it is not behaving like a normal program that only occasionally throws in some AVX instructions instead of using them continuously back-to-back.
Additionally, I feel prime95 is not that good to prove stability. Despite it running without crashing the PC, you might still see crashes in normal use. That was different in the past.
:/
is somethign called the "intelburntest" okay for haswell cpu then?
also, where is this test at? and does it test the cpu? (is it only for OC cpu test?, or is it okay to use it to test a CPU even if its not OCed?)
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What is your budget? About 20000 SEK edit: at current rates this is about 3050 USD. can throw in more if this is not enough for a good pc
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080p 144hz
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I want to play everything on ultra lol. no games in particular just everything i find interesting
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? i use a second monitor for movies and series but thats about it
Do you intend to overclock? yep but would like a cpu cooler that isnt too heavy/big i dont need a top oc just a moderate one its still a improvement to stock
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? not sure, i hear its alot of hassle. might just leave this blank. can throw in a second gpu the next month
Do you need an operating system? would like a windows 7
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? nop
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. i like gigabyte motherboards, nvidia and intel cos #hateamdtrain
What country will you be buying your parts in? Sweden
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Komplett.se inet.se ( I know it's hard to understand swedish >.<)
So yeah other then that I acutally built a pc earlier this year, in the summer but i got the income and i want additional epeen xd. I might be getting a obsidian 900D but that'd be excluded from this build budget, just throw in one and ill decide when i order. will order some time around feb i think. Selling my old pc including the windows key so need new one. definetly want i7 haswell or better if theres anything better lul. 780s are quite cheap after TI came out here in sweden, like they dropped from 6000 to 4000 SEK. i dont know anything about RAM but from what i understand soon games will be needing more then 8gb?
another edit: if theres anything new coming out that will improve computers alot, like a new generation of intel or similar coming out before summer 2014 let me know cos i have no idea
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A cute little attempt to make a build list of my own
Gigabyte Z87X-D3H
MSI GTX 780
i7 4770k
XFX ProSeries Core Edition 850W PSU
RAM? Something 8-16gb ?? dont know what 2400mhz does better then 1600mhz
Case? suggest one : )
CPU cooler? lol idk' phanteks??
Samsung 840 evo desktopkit? or is it oem or basic i should buy
WD Blue 1TB cause the price diffrence is close to none
Windows 7
Soundcard ?? what does it acutally do for someone who just does gaming and watches movies
idk what i missed
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On December 24 2013 02:24 IMKR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 02:02 Ropid wrote:
Prime95, you should probably not use anymore on Haswell CPUs! Haswell introduced "AVX2" instructions and improvements to the older "AVX". Programs using that stuff can squeeze a lot more performance out of the CPU than what was previously possible. The extra performance does not magically come free and will produce a lot of heat compared to past CPUs. That's a problem in prime95 in its stress test mode as it is not behaving like a normal program that only occasionally throws in some AVX instructions instead of using them continuously back-to-back.
Additionally, I feel prime95 is not that good to prove stability. Despite it running without crashing the PC, you might still see crashes in normal use. That was different in the past.
:/ is somethign called the "intelburntest" okay? also, where is this test at? and does it test the cpu? (is it only for OC cpu test?, or is it okay to use it to test a CPU even if its not OCed?)
Don't use it on Haswell, it has an even worse heat issue compared to prime95. It will produce scary temperatures with the stock cooler even without overclocking. + Show Spoiler +It's based on a benchmark called "linpack" that is ancient and was used to compare supercomputers. IBT is using Intel's hand optimized linpack implementation that tries to squeeze out the highest possible benchmark numbers out of the CPU. It's not actually testing anything useful, unlike for example the "x264 HD Benchmark" that encodes a video file.
Perhaps look at "AIDA64". There is a free trial version. It has some sort of stability test that is supposedly built with input from Intel engineers. You could just run that for a bunch of hours. That would test the CPU (and a bit of memory).
Open the Windows control panel and search for "memory problem" and click on the one search result you will get. It restarts the PC and runs a pretty short memory test outside of Windows.
For the GPU, just use Unigine Heaven. It's not that big of a download and you can use it to see if the cooling of the GPU is alright. Regarding the GPU's stability, you are just looking for artifacts appearing or the graphics driver crashing.
I tried to find something automatic that checks for errors when overclocking but there is not much. "EVGA OC Scanner X" can draw a scene that does not move and checks for artifacts by itself (no idea if it's only NVIDIA). "OCCT" can do the same I heard. People report they get crashes in games while those programs do not see any artifacts and run stable. 
Folding@Home can use the GPU to do computing stuff but needs hours to complete one pass of whatever it does. That makes it a bit useless for checking overclocking, I guess.
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On December 24 2013 02:24 IMKR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 02:02 Ropid wrote:
Prime95, you should probably not use anymore on Haswell CPUs! Haswell introduced "AVX2" instructions and improvements to the older "AVX". Programs using that stuff can squeeze a lot more performance out of the CPU than what was previously possible. The extra performance does not magically come free and will produce a lot of heat compared to past CPUs. That's a problem in prime95 in its stress test mode as it is not behaving like a normal program that only occasionally throws in some AVX instructions instead of using them continuously back-to-back.
Additionally, I feel prime95 is not that good to prove stability. Despite it running without crashing the PC, you might still see crashes in normal use. That was different in the past.
:/ is somethign called the "intelburntest" okay for haswell cpu then? also, where is this test at? and does it test the cpu? (is it only for OC cpu test?, or is it okay to use it to test a CPU even if its not OCed?)
Like Ropid said, IBT is just an outdated version of Linpack, which is the hottest thing on Haswell and not at all appropriate for stock cooler
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3TDrA6k.png)
They're fine to run, but only if you manually control voltages. Some of the only deaths of Haswell CPU's have been from running linpack/prime with auto or adaptive voltage, i think it's not a threat unless you have like 1.3vcore set but it's not nice to get hit with way higher vcore than you set if you're not using manual voltage (even at 1.27vcore on i5 as shown with cool ambients etc, nh-d14 = 100c)
Pretty tricky to stability test haswell, i wouldn't even bother if you are on auto voltage, because it both uses a significantly higher voltage than neccesary and raises it depending on the load
If you wanna see if stuff works, go grab Cinebench r15 and x264 benchmark (though x264 bench by default uses an outdated encoder, it's still ok)
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So since im not going to be OC'ing my CPU, theres no point in running stress tests?
does the same thing apply to the GPU as well if i dont plan on OC'ing?
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There's a large backlog so I'm not going to search for exact parts. If you have questions, concerns, etc., or need help hitting the budget and/or finding specific parts, post back.
On December 22 2013 20:12 Terrix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've been tasked with figuring out how to upgrade my brothers computer, and don't know too much about it! So all knowing TLers, would you mind helping? :D
What is your current build?
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Wolfdale 45nm Technology
RAM
2.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz (7-7-7-20)
Motherboard
alienware alienware (Socket 775)
Graphics
SyncMaster (2048x1152@60Hz)
1024MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 (NVIDIA)
Storage
232GB Seagate ST325041 0AS SCSI Disk Device (SATA)
Optical Drives
HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H55L ATA Device Audio
High Definition Audio Device
750W PSU
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I was thinking motherboard + cpu + graphics card and ram? He doesn't really use his computer for anything other than streaming (watching)/gaming. So play games at better graphics?
What is your budget?
~500-600$
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
I think he likes nvidia
I was thinking the typical gamer build?
Processor (CPU) $215 Intel Core i5 4670
Motherboard $75 MSI B85M-G43
Memory (RAM) $60 G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 1600MHz
Video Card (GPU) $180 ASUS Radeon R9 270 2GB
Maybe an nvidia card instead?
He has that older giant ass alienware case so that's not gonna be an issue w/ size or anything.
Yeah, those parts are about right. Shop around for slightly better prices. GTX 660 is a similar price and maybe slightly worse on average. You might consider stepping up to the GTX 760.
On December 23 2013 00:13 micksr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm reposting this, not sure if it was seen earlier in the thread as I had it hidden in a spoiler.
What is your budget?
$800-$1200 (nothing strict, I can go over)
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1680x1050. May buy a new one.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Not a ton of gaming. Would like to play starcraft on medium at least. I don't mind spending a bit extra if I change my mind and play a few more games. I definitely don't need to play AAA on high settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Basic Office type stuff, programming, some medium size database work, HD stream watching. 2 monitors (3 if it's inexpensive/easy to do). Possibly some screen-capturing to make videos.
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
Yes. Whatever version of windows is preferred.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
keyboard, mouse for big hands. I would like to try a mechanical keyboard. Mouse only needs to be decent.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
Thank you. Sorry if I have missed anything.
Check keyboard and mouse threads.
Get an LGA 1150 Core i5 without a suffix letter (e.g. i5-4670; only differences are the prices and clock speeds), LGA 1150 motherboard (B85, H81, or H87) with the ports you need, 8 GB of DDR3 RAM (in two sticks), HD 7770 or R9 260X to be cheap but totally overkill for SC2 and run modern games reasonably (they're not too far off what's in current-gen consoles), hard drive, SSD if you want one (e.g. Samsung 840 EVO; there are others). Check OP for cases, PSUs, etc. I'd just go with a Rosewill Capstone 450W.
You can always get a better graphics card later if you change your mind. Without being sure, I wouldn't go over an R9 270 now.
You can easily run three monitors off of this setup. There's probably not a reason to get a couple of IPS monitors, and you can use your old one too if you want, which you can run off of the integrated graphics. Check the monitor thread. If you don't need stand adjustments and want to go cheap, there's the LG IPS224V-PN at newegg for $120 after promo. If you want something larger with stand adjustments, has been reviewed, known good, etc., there's the Dell P2414H for around $215 if you search.
On December 23 2013 03:38 ShalanRz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
700-800
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League of Legends, Dota 2, SC2, Diablo 3. Medium
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Streaming if I am able to
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Only thing I do have is a monitor, mouse and keybboard
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
None
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None
Thanks in advance and I am sorry if I missed anything!
Check the usual Canadian suspects (NCIX.ca, MemoryExpress, CanadaComputers, etc.). Also price matching.
Those games have very low GPU requirements, but price/performance tanks under $100 so you may as well get a HD 7770 anyway. See above; get same LGA 1150 i5, LGA 1150 motherboard, etc.
On December 23 2013 07:22 airtown wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I currently have just a 4.5 year old laptop and I'm planning on building my first PC. What is your budget?$1000-$1200 excluding peripherals. What is your monitor's native resolution?Plan to buy 1080p monitor. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Starcraft 2, all kinds of games on Steam, high settings. Mainly, I want a computer that will be able to play any game that comes out 0-5 years from now on at least medium settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Web browsing. Do you intend to overclock?No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?No. Do you need an operating system?Yes, I think I'll get Windows 8. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?Yes, but I'm not concerned about them right now. Not part of my budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.No. What country will you be buying your parts in?US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.No. ---------- I've come up with a partial build: Processor: Intel i5-4670 - $215 Graphics: EVGA GeForce GTX760 - $250 Heat sink: [don't know] Motherboard: [don't know - fine with standard ATX or micro ATX] RAM: Kingston Blu 2x4GB 1600MHz DDR3 - $73 Storage: Kingston 240GB SSD SATA 3 - $140 (Note: I'd like to get a 480GB SSD, but they're currently more than twice as much as the 240. I don't think I need a hard disk drive - I don't store movies on my computer and I only play a few games at a time.) Power Supply: Seasonic M12II 620 - $95 Case: [don't know - fine with mid tower or micro] OS: Windows 8.1 - $97 Also, an optical drive for ~ $20 A few questions: -What motherboard should I buy and why? -Do I need a heat sink if I'm not going to overclock? Would a 212 Evo be worth buying compared to the stock fan?
Others already addressed some things.
Most any motherboard is fine. Target maybe ~$80 range if you're not sure. Just make sure it's LGA 1150.
Seasonic M12II 620W is outdated and pretty much replaced by G series. Get G series 450W if you want a high quality power supply from Seasonic. Or say Rosewill Capstone (modular version if you want). 620W is also way overkill.
Despite what you buy today (and especially so at GTX 760 level), things might not go so well for the most demanding AAA title 5 years later.
On December 24 2013 02:30 KapsyL wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget? About 20000 SEK edit: at current rates this is about 3050 USD. can throw in more if this is not enough for a good pc
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080p 144hz
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? I want to play everything on ultra lol. no games in particular just everything i find interesting
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? i use a second monitor for movies and series but thats about it
Do you intend to overclock? yep but would like a cpu cooler that isnt too heavy/big i dont need a top oc just a moderate one its still a improvement to stock
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? not sure, i hear its alot of hassle. might just leave this blank. can throw in a second gpu the next month
Do you need an operating system? would like a windows 7
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? nop
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. i like gigabyte motherboards, nvidia and intel cos #hateamdtrain
What country will you be buying your parts in? Sweden
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Komplett.se inet.se ( I know it's hard to understand swedish >.<)
So yeah other then that I acutally built a pc earlier this year, in the summer but i got the income and i want additional epeen xd. I might be getting a obsidian 900D but that'd be excluded from this build budget, just throw in one and ill decide when i order. will order some time around feb i think. Selling my old pc including the windows key so need new one. definetly want i7 haswell or better if theres anything better lul. 780s are quite cheap after TI came out here in sweden, like they dropped from 6000 to 4000 SEK. i dont know anything about RAM but from what i understand soon games will be needing more then 8gb?
another edit: if theres anything new coming out that will improve computers alot, like a new generation of intel or similar coming out before summer 2014 let me know cos i have no idea
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A cute little attempt to make a build list of my own
Gigabyte Z87X-D3H
MSI GTX 780
i7 4770k
XFX ProSeries Core Edition 850W PSU
RAM? Something 8-16gb ?? dont know what 2400mhz does better then 1600mhz
Case? suggest one : )
CPU cooler? lol idk' phanteks??
Samsung 840 evo desktopkit? or is it oem or basic i should buy
WD Blue 1TB cause the price diffrence is close to none
Windows 7
Soundcard ?? what does it acutally do for someone who just does gaming and watches movies
idk what i missed
Nothing great's coming out that soon.
i7 should continue to have minimal benefits over i5 in gaming, but... sure I guess.
2400 MHz RAM has small benefits over say 1600 MHz in gaming, especially in most titles where it's the graphics subsystem holding things back.
XFX Core is decent and definitely enough to be adding another GTX 780, but it's kind of meh for this kind of system.
Differences in SSD packages are just what kinds of accessory cables or whatever else they include. OEM is probably fine. You already get SATA cables with the motherboard, and you can buy them separately, for example.
Sound card wouldn't do too much over onboard unless you want to add some kinds of DSP effects like whatever Creative's doing these days.
For case, whatever. Check the OP. You're in Sweden, so I'm just going to say Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 or Define R4 and leave it at that.
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2400 MHz RAM has small benefits over say 1600 MHz in gaming, especially in most titles where it's the graphics subsystem holding things back.
If you can get a nice kit (if you don't wanna check for ic's etc and know what you are doing there.. 2133mhz c9 / 2400-2666 c10-11 is a decent baseline) for the same price or slightly above 1600c9, i'd do it every time cause it helps as much as a few hundred mhz on the cpu in a few games and helps with benchmarking, but it's still somewhat small and not usually worth paying significantly more for.
In the US for example, when you could get 2x4gb of 1600c9 for like $50, there were deals on all the time for this 2x4gb g.skill kit for $63. It was rated 2400c11 stock, but did 2400c10 / 2800c12 comfortably usually with a little voltage step (1.7-1.75v which is safe) and i would say to just get that every time on haswell z87 system. When benches started to show up showing RAM benefits for bf4 for example, people quoted $100-300 8gb RAM kits, saying hey, it costs twice as much, it's not worth an x% performance gain - but those are just binned IC's for extreme RAM overclockers. The performance is in the kits that cost marginally more than "regular" RAM, usually random 2133c9 / 2400c10 stuff for a bit more than 1600c9
I'll refer to this for RAM; http://imgur.com/a/awnaM
as a rule if you are GPU limited, it probably won't help at all. CPU/platform limited, then maybe. Significant gains i've seen on sc2, bf4 and arma, IIRC
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okay thanks guys. should i just take any cpu cooler? i kinda dont want a heavy one incase something gets damaged when i move pc for lans and dont worry about the case if things go my way ill get the 900D XD
also what did you mean with the xfx one being meh? can u recommend something else for me?
also what about this RAM? http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308851/kingston-16gb-2x8gb-cl11-2400mhz-xmp-beast-series
its 11-13-13
what kind of a build list would you guys give me if you just ignore the one i wrote cos i dont know wtf im doing anyway
oh and lol i know i7 has very little over i5 in gaming but i figured yolo its almost the same price and more epeen rofl im a nerd
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Hey, Kapsyl, if you are going to LANs, look at mATX sized stuff. There are some neat cases out there. Look at this one, Silverstone PS07: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=314&area=en
It has pretty great cooling by default despite only using two fans.
For the board, you could use GA-Z87MX-D3H. It has less voltage regulation parts than the ATX sized GA-Z87X-D3H, but it's still more than enough.
I don't know what cooler to suggest. I don't like CLC coolers and the air coolers are all heavy or they are not good. The Silverstone PS07 has a funny looking little arm that helps holding up a large CPU air cooler.
EDIT: Perhaps Noctua NH-U12S if you like its price. It's pretty strong for a 120mm cooler and looks pretty slim. It would also fit well into mATX size. The larger NH-U14S, I'd be scared of the graphics card touching it when things moved around a little when driving around with the PC.
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I was hoping to go with a single big case big everything pc that i could use at home and at lan. guess ill have to make 2 builds then 
also thanks for the tips about the mobo and case, ill use that mobo for sure and we will see about the case for my lan pc
how the hell did i just make that protoss thing... new to me >.<
edit: lol im stupid
edit again: ok cool about the cpu cooler i dont care about money that much
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What are you planning to do with the big case?
I thought smaller case might be nice for carrying it around more comfortably and more space on the table at the LAN. That mATX case still fits all normal parts, a bunch of 3.5" sized HDDs and 2.5" SSDs taped onto the back, can fit two 5.25" drives like a DVD burner. Building it, things are a little cramped maybe, might take an extra hour or so.
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