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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 17:33:20
December 21 2013 17:31 GMT
#3201
I don't know much about current AMD, but your 2133 memory will run at 1333 or 1600 by default if you are worried about that. The memory sticks have a tiny chip with a table of timing profiles for various speeds on them. The normal standard for that table tops out at 1600. Everything above is technically some sort of overclocking.

There's an "Intel XMP" definition for extensions of that table to higher speeds like 2133. Perhaps people are talking about that? XMP not working on AMD or something? That would only mean you have to set things up manually to get higher speeds than 1600.

Perhaps people mean there's nothing happening in benchmarks when increasing speed? It's perhaps too late to change that to save money. Won't you have to pay shipping costs?
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 17:55:27
December 21 2013 17:50 GMT
#3202
No, no, I wont pay shipping costs. If I bring it back to the shop around the corner.

Ok, now I calmed myself down. Means I can practically choose every RAM with any MHz and CL I want.

But just one more thing: I might drop the idea to buy G.Skill and switch to Corsair or Kingston.
PS: thanks again, Ropid. Bist Spitze!

PPS: I'm torn between
Kingston HyperX blu. 8GB, DDR3-1333, CL9 (KHX1333C9D3B1K2/8G) and
Corsair Vengeance LP blue 8GB, DDR3-1600, CL9 (CML8GX3M2A1600C9B).
I think I'll take the second one.
Dura lex, sed lex!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
December 21 2013 18:15 GMT
#3203
Why buy RAM based on the brand? It's not like kingston or corsair manufacturers it, just puts stickers and heatsinks etc on. The RAM you have probably has better IC's
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 18:42:24
December 21 2013 18:41 GMT
#3204
Cyro, thank you.

Just bought Corsair Vengeance LP blue 8GB, DDR3-1600, CL9 for just 67,98 € @ Amazon.
I cant get a 2133-er for this EUR.
Plus, G.Skill and GeiL are known to not have the higher quality standards.
And CAS Latency (I think you might have meant with "IC's") with 9-9-9-24 is pretty good.
Dura lex, sed lex!
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
December 21 2013 19:49 GMT
#3205
Hey guys, I'm looking to build my Mom a computer. Something really basic. So without further ado:

What is your budget? $300-$500


What is your monitor's native resolution? 1280x720


What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Farmville. Candy crush saga. Facebook.


What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Facebook.


Do you intend to overclock? No


Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No


Do you need an operating system? Yes


Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No


If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No


What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada


If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Memory Express. Willing to order from NCIX though.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 21:16:26
December 21 2013 21:12 GMT
#3206
Eh, why not a $300-500 laptop? ^^

If not get yourself a AMD 5600K CPU with a a cheapish motherboard to go with it. It's dirt cheap and the integrated grahics are all right. Good budget cases would be NZXT Source 210 or Fractal Design Core 1000. 4 Gb of RAM should probably do for this kind of build. CX430 is an all right budget PSU if you can get a $20 mail in rebate.

I think someone (was it Ropid?) recommended a case that came with a 300W PSU. It's in the last few pages of this thread; that's another option.
maru lover forever
InfectedGoat
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada444 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 22:02:00
December 21 2013 22:01 GMT
#3207
Okay I am done with my build, just wanna make sure there's nothing wrong with it before I buy it tonight. Thank once again!
Buying all from www.ncix.ca
+ Show Spoiler +

Processor:
Intel Core i5 4670 Quad Core 3.4GHZ Processor
244$

Mobo:
ASUS Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Z87 DDR3
149$

Ram:
G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB
83$

HDD:
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA 6Gbps
67$

Case:
Cooler Master HAF 912 Black Mid Tower ATX
57$

PSU:
XFX 550W PRO550W Core Edition Single Rail ATX 12V 44A 24PIN ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze
69$

CD-ROM:
ASUS DRW-24F1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer Black
24$

GPU:
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC (the MSI one has been out of stock for a bit now
349$

Total : 1267$, including building, shipping and warranty
and i was like BANELINGS x 3
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 21 2013 22:06 GMT
#3208
You made a mistake with the CPU and the motherboard. The motherboard can do overclocking, but the CPU is locked (there's an unlocked "i5-4670k" with a "k" at the end). You can save money on a different motherboard. Look at the H87 and H81 and B85 chipset boards instead of Z87.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
December 21 2013 22:06 GMT
#3209
You have a z87 board for non-oc CPU, few other things look overpriced but maybe that's just canada (ram, gpu, psu)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
InfectedGoat
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada444 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 22:18:06
December 21 2013 22:16 GMT
#3210
Okay, I'll go with the h87 + Show Spoiler +
ASUS H87I-PLUS mITX LGA1150 H87 DDR3 Motherboard
then. About over pricing I feel like I don't really have a choice buying all from NCIX because they can build it for you (I have absolutely no idea how to build a pc, I'll have to learn eventually.)
Thank you cyro and ropid
and i was like BANELINGS x 3
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 21 2013 22:21 GMT
#3211
No, don't go with that motherboard. Look at a picture! It's ITX.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
InfectedGoat
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada444 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 22:59:22
December 21 2013 22:58 GMT
#3212
Okay so I want an ATX? if so I'll just go with the asus h87-e mATX
and i was like BANELINGS x 3
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 21 2013 23:13 GMT
#3213
4670, $220: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898
Mushkin 2x4GB 1600MHz, $73: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226395
Western Digital 1TB, $65: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
Burner, $16: http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/245882/SH-224DBBEBE/Samsung/
XFX 550, $65: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2961
GA-B85M-HD3, $70: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128608

Arc Midi R2, $85: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=057566 or Define R4, $80: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=044097
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 01:37:05
December 22 2013 01:12 GMT
#3214
On December 21 2013 21:06 skyR wrote:
If you're in Canada then just wait for Boxing Week / Day. But if you can't wait a week and must buy now then you can get a Define R4 for like $80.

I still havent gotten the same case from ncix from black friday and its more. Thinking of just returning it and buying it now from CC lols. Boxing day may not guarantee the same case on sale tho (i really like this one)

Edit: Is it necessary to buy additional fans for this case assuming the only games played is at most dota 2 on dual screens (GPU not bought yet, not overclocked processor)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 22 2013 02:00 GMT
#3215
Not necessary.
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
December 22 2013 06:08 GMT
#3216
On December 22 2013 07:16 InfectedGoat wrote:
Okay, I'll go with the h87 + Show Spoiler +
ASUS H87I-PLUS mITX LGA1150 H87 DDR3 Motherboard
then. About over pricing I feel like I don't really have a choice buying all from NCIX because they can build it for you (I have absolutely no idea how to build a pc, I'll have to learn eventually.)
Thank you cyro and ropid



NCIX allows your to price match so search your parts on shopbot.ca and see if there are other companies in Canada that sell it for cheaper.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 08:01:49
December 22 2013 08:01 GMT
#3217
On December 22 2013 02:02 Ropid wrote:
MSI Afterburner is a program where you can tweak things about voltage and clock speeds of your GPU and the GPU's memory chips, also tweak the way the fans on the GPU react to temperature increases. It wants to run at Windows start-up and will show up as an icon in the notification area of the task-bar.

Prime95, you should probably not use anymore on Haswell CPUs! Haswell introduced "AVX2" instructions and improvements to the older "AVX". Programs using that stuff can squeeze a lot more performance out of the CPU than what was previously possible. The extra performance does not magically come free and will produce a lot of heat compared to past CPUs. That's a problem in prime95 in its stress test mode as it is not behaving like a normal program that only occasionally throws in some AVX instructions instead of using them continuously back-to-back.

Additionally, I feel prime95 is not that good to prove stability. Despite it running without crashing the PC, you might still see crashes in normal use. That was different in the past.

x264 is great because it's actually a normal program and using AVX for something useful. This is what you should use.

Heaven is great for seeing if the GPU works right. In my experience, it's about the hottest the GPU can get for normal stuff.

I don't feel comfortable to suggest anything to use as I don't know any program that works well to show stability. A current chess engine seems to work great but that might take some annoying research to set up.

The best proof of stability in my mind would be to just use the PC for games and stuff for hours for several days and see what happens. This means I do not have anything good to suggest for what to do if you build a PC for someone else. :/


are all of these free software?

also, what about this
http://store.steampowered.com/app/223850/

its on sale and someone said to get it.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 08:56:45
December 22 2013 08:56 GMT
#3218
another question
on this build that destiny is doing for one of his client
+ Show Spoiler +

at 28:11
he talks abuot a molex connector to power the fan controller.

what is this fan controller thing? and a molex connector used for?

the case he used is a source 210.
is this fan controller a separate item you have to buy?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 22 2013 09:07 GMT
#3219
That software is all free.

3DMark's a synthetic gaming benchmark. The free version works just fine for testing to see if your hardware works and benchmarking. If you want to play around with settings, I guess $2.49 for the full version could be spent worse.

As far as I know, Source 210 doesn't include a fan controller, so I'm not sure what he's talking about. Plenty of fan controllers bundled into cases or third-party fan controllers you can add are powered from a molex connector. Sometimes the case fans themselves are directly powered from the power supply via a molex connector.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
December 22 2013 09:45 GMT
#3220
...The fan included in the Source 210 has a 3pin and 4pin molex connector...
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