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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Usually the extra VRAM isn't worth so much for an HD 7770 (read: don't spend the extra), but if you like higher-res textures or low details settings with antialiasing it may be debatable. But for gaming, yeah, I'd try to save money elsewhere and move on up to something better than HD 7770 (R9 260X, HD 7850 are next steps up... R9 270 / 7870 is cheapest that's standard with 2 GB of VRAM). I would say the motherboard and RAM may be where to look for savings. | ||
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
What is your budget? Around 1400$, could go to 1500$ What is your monitor's native resolution? 1080p What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? WoW and upcoming games. Medium settings What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Music and movies Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. What country will you be buying your parts in? Edit: canada not US haha If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Ncix.ca preferably since they can build it for you I was thinking of something like this but I feel like it could be a lot better, I just picked parts that seemed good. + Show Spoiler + Intel Core i5 4670 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=81328 G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57953&promoid=1223 Western Digital Green 2TB http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=77934 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 OC http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=85587&promoid=1645 Gigabyte Z87X http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84042 Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case Black http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57910&promoid=1012 Corsair CX Series CX500 500W ATX 12V 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=76035&promoid=1012 Total : $1,107 (warranty not yet included) Am I forgetting something? I could pay a bit more for better pieces Thanks a lot once again in helping me build a computer! | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
On December 21 2013 13:34 iTzSnypah wrote: Destiny buying a Zalman Z9 (or was it Z11?} case does not automatically make it good. I picked it because it was the first on the Case page and it had a lot of positive reviews | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
You said US and linked ncix.com but then said ncix.ca builds systems. You sure the US site does that too? At least a while back, it didn't. Also, this is a rather extravagant budget for the intended purpose. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 21 2013 13:34 iTzSnypah wrote: Destiny buying a Zalman Z9 (or was it Z11?} case does not automatically make it good. http://blog.destiny.gg/1750-streaminggaming-rig/ It was a Z11 and he said he wouldn't recommend the case. He usually tells people to get the Define R4 and his budget case of choice is the Source 210. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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S3ph
Germany76 Posts
On December 21 2013 12:05 Myrmidon wrote: Mugen 4, Define R4, Golden Green Pro, etc. look pretty geared for quieter operation. Usually the extra VRAM isn't worth so much for an HD 7770 (read: don't spend the extra), but if you like higher-res textures or low details settings with antialiasing it may be debatable. But for gaming, yeah, I'd try to save money elsewhere and move on up to something better than HD 7770 (R9 260X, HD 7850 are next steps up... R9 270 / 7870 is cheapest that's standard with 2 GB of VRAM). I would say the motherboard and RAM may be where to look for savings. Thanks a lot, Myrmidon, appreciate your help. Hmm, I was searching for a 7850 card and found 2 to choose from. Again.  1024MB Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 OC Windforce 2x Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (GV-R785OC-1GD) OR 2048MB Asus Radeon HD 7850 DC2-2GD5-V2 Aktiv PCIe 3.0 (90-C1CS61-S0UAY0BZ) What do you think - worth a shot? Sorry, but cant go higher. Id like to stick to 7850 at max. The rest of the system - already bought: CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+ Mainboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 (Not EVO, because of PWM-control problem) RAM: G.Skill ARES DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit 1.5V HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB SATA 3 SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB PSU: Super Flower Golden Green PRO SF-450P14XE HSF: Scythe Mugen 4 Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl | ||
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CrankOut
187 Posts
But there are alot of good options depending on the budget: ![[image loading]](http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/R9_260X_iPower_IceQ_X2/images/perfrel_1920.gif) Its all about what Games you want to play. | ||
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S3ph
Germany76 Posts
On December 21 2013 19:26 CrankOut wrote: You should not buy cards with only 1GB VRAM, get the 2GB Version. The ASUS Card you linked seems pretty solid for 125€ my last 2 Cards (6870 and 280x) are both ASUS DirectCU II Versions and the Cooling system from ASUS is pretty good. But there are alot of good options depending on the budget: + Show Spoiler + Its all about what Games you want to play. Whoa, thank you very much for your help, mate! Very informative. Its been decided - buying 2 GB ASUS one. The system: CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+ --> (96,5 €) Mainboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 (Not EVO, because of PWM-control problem) --> (68,69 €) GFX: Asus Radeon HD 7850 2048 MB --> (125,26 €) RAM: G.Skill ARES DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit 1.5V --> (73,9 €) HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB --> (49,48 €) SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB --> (83,9 €) PSU: Super Flower Golden Green PRO SF-450P14XE --> (65,86 €) HSF: Scythe Mugen 4 --> (39 €) Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl --> (89 €) Xtra Case fan: Fractal Design Silent R2 140mm --> (13,88 €) All in all 738,26 €. Not bad at all. Best thing is most of the parts are re-usable. Gotta change CPU, Mboard and GFX in couple of years. And SSD as soon as max read-write cycles are achieved. Thanks a lot for all who helped me. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
No idea where some people get the idea that a typical user will ever run out of writes on an SSD. That is simply never going to happen before it becomes obsolete (too tiny to hold even a single game or it moves at a snail pace compared to modern technology). Fyi, Intel rates their SSDs for 20GB per day for three / five years and that's apparently an overly conservative estimate. If you do 20GB a day then you probably shouldn't be buying shitty consumer hardware. Also, Techreport recently did a series on write endurance showing that even the Samsung 840 with its TLC NAND can last 300TB+. And even users have tested write endurance showing that most of the older MLC SSDs can do close to 1000TB or more. edit: keep in mind the amount of writes depends on size of SSD, I'm talking about 120GB+ SSDs, not 20GB SSDs. | ||
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
On December 21 2013 14:32 Myrmidon wrote: End price seems mysteriously high on first glance. You said US and linked ncix.com but then said ncix.ca builds systems. You sure the US site does that too? At least a while back, it didn't. Also, this is a rather extravagant budget for the intended purpose. ohhh. I am not from the US I'm from Canada. My bad. so what do you suggest? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On December 21 2013 19:26 CrankOut wrote: You should not buy cards with only 1GB VRAM, get the 2GB Version. The ASUS Card you linked seems pretty solid for 125€ my last 2 Cards (6870 and 280x) are both ASUS DirectCU II Versions and the Cooling system from ASUS is pretty good. But there are alot of good options depending on the budget: Its all about what Games you want to play. What does that table say about 1GB VRAM vs 2GB? This on the other hand this does a little more: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2012/11/05/msi-radeon-hd-7850-1gb-review/5 As you can see for the 7850 @ 1920x1080, there isnt much of a difference in Skyrim, looking at BF3 and crysis 2 and the other games, the 1GB beats the 2GB. AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB (860MHz GPU, 4.8GHz memory) (Catalyst 12.8) MSI Radeon HD 7850 1GB (900MHz GPU, 4.8GHz memory) (Catalyst 12.8) I would still recommend the 2GB for newer games depending on the price difference. On the other hand, the 7770 that the person was looking at before, there is almost no reason to get the 2GB version as the card is rather weak. I dont think you should say "You should not buy cards with only 1GB VRAM, get the 2GB Version." On December 21 2013 20:04 S3ph wrote: Whoa, thank you very much for your help, mate! Very informative. Its been decided - buying 2 GB ASUS one. The system: CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+ --> (96,5 €) Mainboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 (Not EVO, because of PWM-control problem) --> (68,69 €) GFX: Asus Radeon HD 7850 2048 MB --> (125,26 €) RAM: G.Skill ARES DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit 1.5V --> (73,9 €) HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB --> (49,48 €) SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB --> (83,9 €) PSU: Super Flower Golden Green PRO SF-450P14XE --> (65,86 €) HSF: Scythe Mugen 4 --> (39 €) Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl --> (89 €) Xtra Case fan: Fractal Design Silent R2 140mm --> (13,88 €) All in all 738,26 €. Not bad at all. Best thing is most of the parts are re-usable. Gotta change CPU, Mboard and GFX in couple of years. And SSD as soon as max read-write cycles are achieved. Thanks a lot for all who helped me. There is a good chance you will be happy with the 7850 and no reason to go higher, but if you plan on playing very gpu intensive games at the highest settings for a while, then once again, you might wanna consider cheaper things (if thats even possible) in terms on case/case fan/ram/ssd. You can always buy a ssd in 1-2 years where as if you wanna upgrade your gpu, your current investment of 125 euros will only sell for ~60. Nice build overall | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
Stress Testing and Benchmarking software to test for basic stability. Prime95 Memtest86 Western Digital Data Lifeguard Diagnostic orSeagate SeaTools Heaven Benchmark AS SSD Benchmark x264 HD Benchmark Novabench Also, what is a good place to see a guide on how go do these tests? | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
MSI video cards are not limited to MSI Afterburner, you can use other tools as well. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Prime95, you should probably not use anymore on Haswell CPUs! Haswell introduced "AVX2" instructions and improvements to the older "AVX". Programs using that stuff can squeeze a lot more performance out of the CPU than what was previously possible. The extra performance does not magically come free and will produce a lot of heat compared to past CPUs. That's a problem in prime95 in its stress test mode as it is not behaving like a normal program that only occasionally throws in some AVX instructions instead of using them continuously back-to-back. Additionally, I feel prime95 is not that good to prove stability. Despite it running without crashing the PC, you might still see crashes in normal use. That was different in the past. x264 is great because it's actually a normal program and using AVX for something useful. This is what you should use. Heaven is great for seeing if the GPU works right. In my experience, it's about the hottest the GPU can get for normal stuff. I don't feel comfortable to suggest anything to use as I don't know any program that works well to show stability. A current chess engine seems to work great but that might take some annoying research to set up. The best proof of stability in my mind would be to just use the PC for games and stuff for hours for several days and see what happens. This means I do not have anything good to suggest for what to do if you build a PC for someone else. :/ | ||
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S3ph
Germany76 Posts
The system: CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+ Mainboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 (90-MIBJK0-G0EAY0MZ) GFX: Asus Radeon HD 7850 2048 MB (90-C1CS61-S0UAY0BZ) RAM: G.Skill ARES DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit 1.5V HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB PSU: Super Flower Golden Green PRO SF-450P14XE HSF: Scythe Mugen 4 Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl Xtra Case fan: Fractal Design Silent R2 140mm Guys, just read something I didnt want to know. Problematic point: RAM: G.Skill ARES DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit 1.5V. I've read, that, while using AMD CPUs, its just a nonsense to buy a 2133er RAM. It would be just a waste of money. I should get 1333er, or 1600er at max. And If I want to go higher than 1600, I should buy an Intel CPU. Is this true? So I should change 2133 vs 1600 or even 1333 MHz. I bought the RAM some days ago. So I'm still within 2 weeks of retour. What should I do? Would anyone please help me out? PS: Panic mode: ON. 8-0 | ||
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