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Also to elaborate a bit more. I was wondering on the overall quality of the PSU compared to the others listed which I think Ropid answered. The other was whether or not it would draw more power from the wall being 750W as opposed to 450W and whether that would be a more significant amount in terms of electricity bill? (Probably a really noob question =\)
Thanks
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
The other was whether or not it would draw more power from the wall being 750W as opposed to 450W
The wattage rating has nothing to do with consumption, it'll only draw the power that you are using. The stat you are looking for is efficiency but it's not a super significant difference in power draw between two good units, it also depends on how highly you are loading the PSU etc (they are most efficient around 50% load, so ideally you'd have peak load being like 60-70% of the psu's wattage rating though not a massive factor)
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Canada4481 Posts
On December 19 2013 21:41 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +The other was whether or not it would draw more power from the wall being 750W as opposed to 450W The wattage rating has nothing to do with consumption, it'll only draw the power that you are using. The stat you are looking for is efficiency but it's not a super significant difference in power draw between two good units, it also depends on how highly you are loading the PSU etc (they are most efficient around 50% load, so ideally you'd have peak load being like 60-70% of the psu's wattage rating though not a massive factor)
Cool thanks! Looking at the review, it looks like a pretty good deal. I was a bit worried originally of the 450W ones since it would just be barely enough I think. But with this at ~same price and more room to work with I'll go for it.
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Capstone would be better in every way unless you want 2 gpu's
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I'm looking to buy a solid gaming PC, it doesn't have to be high-end. Is this a good configuration:
CPU:
AMD FX-Series X6 6300
Cooler:
Spire Kepler Rev.2
Motherboard:
Asrock AM3 970 Pro3 R2.0
RAM:
Transcend JetRAM 4GB DDR3 1600 DIMM + Transcend DDR3 2GB 1600MHz (6GB total)
GPU:
Sapphire R7 260X OC, 1GB GDDR5, DVI, DP, HDMI
Power supply:
XFX CoreEdition 80 450W
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Depends what games you want to play and at what settings etc
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On December 19 2013 23:25 ReMinD_ wrote:I'm looking to buy a solid gaming PC, it doesn't have to be high-end. Is this a good configuration: CPU: AMD FX-Series X6 6300Cooler: Spire Kepler Rev.2Motherboard: Asrock AM3 970 Pro3 R2.0RAM: Transcend JetRAM 4GB DDR3 1600 DIMM + Transcend DDR3 2GB 1600MHz (6GB total) GPU: Sapphire R7 260X OC, 1GB GDDR5, DVI, DP, HDMI Power supply: XFX CoreEdition 80 450W
The gpu is rather weak depending on your monitor resolution and also desired settings/framerates. But its hard to say good/bad without pricing information.
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Well, currently I'm just playing Dota 2 and Path of Exile. Next on my list could be Skyrim, GTA V (when it comes to PC), new Batman, etc. So not really games with crazy graphics.
My monitor is a 23" LG (1920 x 1080)
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@ReMinD_:
The AMD CPUs are sadly pretty weak for SC2. If you want to stay with AMD, perhaps look into overclocking the CPU a good bit. For that, look for a board with heat-sinks on the "VRM" area. That's the area near the CPU socket with all those parts that all look similar. Then buy a CPU cooler that's a bit larger like CM Hyper 212 EVO.
Then compare the prices for what you would have to pay for an Intel i3-4340 CPU. For the i3-4340, you can buy the cheapest LGA1150 socket board you can find and you don't have to buy a CPU cooler.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 19 2013 10:56 S3ph wrote:I just waked my friend up. LOL. He was "happy". Thank you, skyR, for good news! Because I thought I killed CPU and mainboard and already told my friend about it, we decided to upgrade the system a little bit further. He is ready to throw the free stuff away. I have advised him to buy: Mainboard: Asus M5A97 Evo R2.0 AMD 970 --> Here @ mindfactory.de 77,49 EUR RAM: 8GB G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit --> I think its 1.5V ones --> Here @ mindfactory.de 63,84 EUR GFX: 1024MB XFX Radeon HD 7770 Here @ mindfactory.de 83,77 EUR I know, its 1 year too late for those items, but my friend is stubborn and I only got stress with him.  So all in all system will be like this: CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+ HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB SATA 3 SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB PSU: Super Flower Golden Green PRO SF-450P14XE HSF: Scythe Mugen 4 Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl DVD: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE What do you think, guys? Really need your helping advices. PS: I just wanted to add one thing. All in all it costs around 700 EUR.
Still need your advice.
Mainboard: Asus M5A97 Evo R2.0 AMD 970 --> Here @ mindfactory.de 77,49 EUR
RAM: 8GB G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3-2133 DIMM CL11 Dual Kit --> I think its 1.5V ones --> Here @ mindfactory.de 63,84 EUR
GFX: 1024MB XFX Radeon HD 7770 Here @ mindfactory.de 83,77 EUR
The rest of the system will be:
CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB SATA 3
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB
PSU: Super Flower Golden Green PRO SF-450P14XE
HSF: Scythe Mugen 4
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl
DVD: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE
Btw, Cyro, no worries. I had to check and double check myself. We're straight.
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On December 19 2013 23:41 ReMinD_ wrote:
Well, currently I'm just playing Dota 2 and Path of Exile. Next on my list could be Skyrim, GTA V (when it comes to PC), new Batman, etc. So not really games with crazy graphics.
My monitor is a 23" LG (1920 x 1080)
It really depends on pricing and it's hard to say good/bad without pricing information. From what I'm seeing, you're really looking for a nice but not too expensive gaming rig. You don't seem to be into streaming and video encoding.
In which case I might recommend looking at the i3 4340. I'm not sure if I recommend buying it though, because there are pros and cons for getting this chip over the FX6300.
The first big con of the i3 4340 is that it's probably more expensive than the FX6300. At least for me on Amazon.fr it seems to be €30 more expensive. It's also only a dual-core so that means for applications or work that use multiple threads you would be better off with a chip with more cores (FX6300 has 6, am I right?). Things like running multiple programs and/or video encoding. Games are also starting to take more and more advantage of multiple threads however that doesn't really mean dual-cores are becoming irrelevant imo.
Anyway in terms of single thread performance, the i3 4340 outpaces the FX 6300 quite hard. Haswell has the best single thread performance on the market at the moment, which is very good if you're playing SC2 (you didn't say you were). The i3 4340 also allows you to get the most out of your GPU.
I learned of this today with this review: http://www.hardcoreware.net/intel-core-i3-4340-review/1/
I'm taking it with a grain of salt since I know that sometimes reviews can be misleading, however benchmarks are solid numbers and are always good for comparing products. In this case we see that the i3 4340 allows the GPU to perform to its maximum potential, it does almost as well as the i5 4670. Maybe the article is just well written but it does look like in terms of gaming performance the i3 4340 isn't a bad choice.
Last thing I kind of like about this chip is that it doesn't consume much power, which in turn leads to a cooler chipset. Cooler system is always cooler. :p
Also worth reading: http://www.overclock.net/t/1452282/hcw-intel-core-i3-4340-review/40
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Fx6300 is 3-module 6-thread
I don't really like that review. They tested mostly GPU bound games (bf4 singleplayer, tomb raider) as well as used a 7870 IIRC and some of the results look really weird
I'd take i3 in some configs, fx-6300 in others - it's hard to say no to the i5 but if budget is low enough to warrant a 260x/270 then there's not much to throw at CPU
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For me, I'd definitely take the FX-6300, because I'd want to try to overclock it a lot as that's kind of fun (for me).
For a machine that won't be used like that, the i3 seems to make a lot of sense, I feel. You could just buy the cheapest board ever for the i3. It should beat a FX-6300 system in price as you don't have to think of where to get a massive air cooler cheap and don't have to worry about what board to get for overclocking. There's also the power bill.
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Need to build a PC for my friend, if someone can give me a hand that'd be great on what to buy.
What is your budget?
$300 or less
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080p
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
none
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
he wants to use it to watch movies he downloaded
Do you intend to overclock?
nope
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
nope
Do you need an operating system?
nope hes got it
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
nope
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
nope
What country will you be buying your parts in?
US
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
amazon but newegg is ok too
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Yeah the i5 4xxx in general just seems to be the nicest CPU out there at the moment.
It's funny but every time I've tried to recommend the i3, there were always a few little details that made the AMD equivalent also very interesting. Most of the time it's that i3s are just a bit too pricey. I wonder why they don't sell K variants of it. That would be interesting.
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@amd098: You could use a cheap AMD APU for that. A6 5400k, something like that. That would be $50-60. FM2 socket motherboard, I think you can get one for like $50 as well, maybe cheaper. You won't need a graphics card since the integrated graphics will do. Get a cheap PSU* and a nice case to go with that. 4 Gb of RAM.
I built an HTPC recently along those lines (I used the A6 5400k), cost me about €400 but that's because it got an SSD and a very nice looking case. In your friend's case you can use a cheap case like the NZXT 210 Source or the Fractal Design Core 1000.
*CX430 with a $20 mail in rebate would do nicely if you can find one.
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Probably PCPartPicker being PCPartPicker.
Or rather, nobody updating the data for that case. It's a normal ATX tower with seven full-height expansion slots out the back. If you have a video card like that HD 7770, you need some full-height expansion slots.
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Canada4481 Posts
I got the same problem with my Arc Midi R2. I didn't even change anything and it gave me that incompatibility problem just now too.
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So I have two builds I want to get critiqued on. The first one will be a build that I just completed about 2 weeks ago and cost me about $1600 total with all the Black Friday/Cyber Monday Deals that I got my hands on (saved about $600).
Case: ThermalTake Level 10 GT Snow Edition
CPU: Intel i7-4770k @ 4.0GHz
Motherboard: MSi Z87-G45
RAM: 16GB G.Skill DDR3 2133MHz
Video Card: EVGA ACX Cooler GTX 780 3GB 384bit
PSU: Corsair TX750W
SSD: 256GB Samsung 840 Pro
Heatsink/Fan: ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm Blue LED
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Benchmarked at ~ 1397 on Unigine Heaven Extreme settings
My old build that I'm currently selling:
Case: Antec 902 Black
CPU: Intel i7-920 @ 3.2GHz
Motherboard: ASUS P6TD Deluxe
RAM: 14GB Corsair XMS DDR3 1600MHz
Video Card: ASUS Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256bit
PSU: Apevia Warlock 1100w (LED cycle)
SSD: 120GB Corsair Force
Heatsink/Fan: Arctic Cooler Freezer Pro
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