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Yep - i'd also get better RAM (there's better RAM available at the same price.. or just outright better RAM) but the 212 and PSU are obvious swap-outs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231689
^This kit is good
I'd also wait for the aftermarket 780ti's if you want absolute power.
Could step down to 780/290/290x, and to i5 also perhaps (though with such a powerful gpu.. i5 to i7 step seems inexpensive and maybe a little relevant) - what screen resolution is this for?
You must remember that 780ti is bordering on as powerful as two 770's - it doesn't make sense to get one on a 1080p60hz screen. 120/144hz or 1440p+
I believe I should change the mobo out for something else... suggestions?
z87x-d3h
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Does CPU cooler usually come with the paste?
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How about that?
From Newegg
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-2133C9D-8GXL 55$
SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) 90$
GPU: ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support 340$
Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 140x150x25 ( NF-A15 PWM) SSO2-Bearing 70$
From Memory Express
CPU: Intel Core™ i5-4670K Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache 250$
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, CrossFireX / SLI 120$
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus Case w/ Fan Controller 45$
PSU: eVGA 500B 500W Bronze Power Supply 25$
Total: 995$
Edit: Forgot to add intent behind it. Probably FFXIV MMO on high settings until EQnext. SC2 and upcoming Dragon Age 3. My current PC is 6y-o so it will be a huge upgrade regardless.
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On November 29 2013 15:56 Cyro wrote:Yep - i'd also get better RAM (there's better RAM available at the same price.. or just outright better RAM) but the 212 and PSU are obvious swap-outs. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231689^This kit is good I'd also wait for the aftermarket 780ti's if you want absolute power. Could step down to 780/290/290x, and to i5 also perhaps (though with such a powerful gpu.. i5 to i7 step seems inexpensive and maybe a little relevant) - what screen resolution is this for? You must remember that 780ti is bordering on as powerful as two 770's - it doesn't make sense to get one on a 1080p60hz screen. 120/144hz or 1440p+ z87x-d3h
I currently have a Catleap 2B (which is not even being used as my PC is too weak) and a VG248QE at 120hz lightboost.
How does this look?
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($699.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1667.92
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On November 29 2013 17:09 Adtor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +How about that?
From Newegg
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-2133C9D-8GXL 55$
SSD: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) 90$
GPU: ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support 340$
Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 140x150x25 ( NF-A15 PWM) SSO2-Bearing 70$
From Memory Express
CPU: Intel Core™ i5-4670K Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache 250$
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H w/ DDR3, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit Lan, CrossFireX / SLI 120$
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus Case w/ Fan Controller 45$
PSU: eVGA 500B 500W Bronze Power Supply 25$
Total: 995$
If you want to do mail in rebates than okay but I'd just take the Z87X-D3H at NCIX for $110. It's basically the same board as the UD3H minus buttons, debug LED, and some other minor stuff.
I don't think a U14S will fit in a Zalman Z9 Plus.
You can get the 4670k for $235: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8037045
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- I don't mind mail rebates. But if it's the same board, is it worth an additional shipping cost?
- I need a full tower or another heatsink? I know nothing about those >< suggestion? 
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Even with shipping, it'd still be less expensive and you wouldn't have to wait for a rebate that may or may not come.
The Samsung 840 EVO 120gb was $85 at NCIX.
You'd need another case, eg. Fractal Design Define R4, $80 at NCIX. or a smaller heatsink.
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On November 29 2013 17:39 Adtor wrote:- I don't mind mail rebates. But if it's the same board, is it worth an additional shipping cost? - I need a full tower or another heatsink? I know nothing about those >< suggestion?
Nope, that case is just not wide enough. Look at this example: http://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.php?topic=2373.150
That cooler in the pictures is the NH-D14, is 160mm high and barely fits. The NH-U14S is 165mm so you shouldn't risk it.
Maybe look at the NH-U12S as that one's 158mm (it's also a bit weaker). You could also try to see if you can find a different case you like.
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On November 29 2013 17:26 skyR wrote:
If you want to do mail in rebates than okay but I'd just take the Z87X-D3H at NCIX for $110. It's basically the same board as the UD3H minus buttons, debug LED, and some other minor stuff.
The main difference is 2 Copper PCB layers vs 1. It's what the U means and the only benefits are lower current resistance? and higher board rigidity. I guess that could have a difference in overclocking.
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Thanks for the tips. I'll change the casing and follow your recommendations. 
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On November 29 2013 17:11 Blackrobe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 15:56 Cyro wrote:Yep - i'd also get better RAM (there's better RAM available at the same price.. or just outright better RAM) but the 212 and PSU are obvious swap-outs. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231689^This kit is good I'd also wait for the aftermarket 780ti's if you want absolute power. Could step down to 780/290/290x, and to i5 also perhaps (though with such a powerful gpu.. i5 to i7 step seems inexpensive and maybe a little relevant) - what screen resolution is this for? You must remember that 780ti is bordering on as powerful as two 770's - it doesn't make sense to get one on a 1080p60hz screen. 120/144hz or 1440p+ I believe I should change the mobo out for something else... suggestions? z87x-d3h I currently have a Catleap 2B (which is not even being used as my PC is too weak) and a VG248QE at 120hz lightboost. How does this look? CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ NCIX US) CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.99 @ B&H) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($699.99 @ SuperBiiz) Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1667.92
Can't fault it that much (maybe a few small things), personally i'd look into compatibility and look into budgeting two or four 140mm fans for the h110:
Option A; replace fans on it
B: Add 2 new fans for push/pull
C: Replace the 2 fans on it and also add 2 new ones
Of course unneccesary, but four of your own fans might get you 5 degrees over the two stock ones if there are decent fans picked out. I don't know 140mm fans very well to recommend one blindly, though. Of course, if you just want a "meh" OC and not pushing it, maybe won't be at all relevant to even have awesome cooling, better is always nice though, and given the rest of the system i think it's worth it. Radiator fans are important for cooler performance, and will have different noise curves etc too.
The other big thing is just the 780ti. I would consider it really really unfortunate to get the best GPU on the planet a week or two before aftermarket pcb's and coolers were released.
Oh, and 840 evo is better than 840 regular/pro. You can get 840 evo pro's, but it's unneccesary unless you value write performance etc.
Looking at the PSU too; 760w is a bit of a weird spot. I'd budget 300 or 350 watts for the 780ti if you want to push it reasonably hard and have plenty of room for peak power draw as well as be safe - 760w PSU is kind of overkill, yet not powerful enough to be suitable for SLI, considering the rest of the system power draw. The price of the PSU sticks out a lot to me, and you can maybe save some there.
I currently have a Catleap 2B (which is not even being used as my PC is too weak) and a VG248QE at 120hz lightboost. 
Here's a 250gb ssd for $160 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147248
capstone 750 for $100 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182073
^Maybe PSU selected is better, but i don't have good enough PSU knowledge to get much better cost savings. If you wanna pay $30 more for the other unit it's probably fine. Capstone 650 not cheap enough to justify dropping to and it's not that bad to have 750/760w PSU as closer to 50% load gives better efficiency anyway
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Would the psu be better off as a 550w?
Capstone 450 will do fine on anything below 290/780. The step from 280x/770 to 290/780 is rather big, especially if you consider OC headroom
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dell.ca has the U2312HM at $170.
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Welp i think shopping for myself is over. The canadacomputers gigabyte h87 is there for $65, which is what I originally had for my current build. Gona decide if i want an OC core or not and deal with that on boxing day..
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On November 29 2013 18:22 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 17:26 skyR wrote:
If you want to do mail in rebates than okay but I'd just take the Z87X-D3H at NCIX for $110. It's basically the same board as the UD3H minus buttons, debug LED, and some other minor stuff. The main difference is 2 Copper PCB layers vs 1. It's what the U means and the only benefits are lower current resistance? and higher board rigidity. I guess that could have a difference in overclocking.
What? These boards have definitely more than one or two layers.
I think you're talking about the amount of copper in each layer. Or at least the outer layers. All other things equal, that should have better electrical properties, but a superior layout or maybe having more layers when needed would make more difference but aren't exactly clear-cut and marketable.
But yes, if the conductor is thicker the resistance is lower so you get less waste heat...
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Haha, well the sales were too tempting so I grabbed an i5-4670k, Z87-D3H, and the Noctua DH-14 that was on sale. Hopefully it'll be worth it! I've wanted to upgrade my mobo for a long time (I'm on a shitty H61 without USB3/SATA3), and I bet this CPU will be very fast when overclocked.
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Indeed ;3
180 cinebench r15 singlethread - 190 if you're daring or lucky, >200 if both. Super delicious
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