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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
Samsung S23A700D 1920x1080 LED backlit 120hz TN monitor. Has: dual-link DVI, HDMI, (nothing else?). Ergonomic features: none. VESA mount compatible: No. - Uses the same panel as S23A750D - Cheaper than its more “artistic” siblings - Zero ergonomic features like height adjustment or tilting - 3D only works with AMD video cards - Cannot be VESA mounted due to design - Go-to monitor if you want 120hz. One correction, you can actually tilt that one, should fix that in the op. The monitor costs about 250 USD here in Korea. Any better recommendations? Edit: I have this GPU, what output do I have to use for 120Hz? (GTX 670) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/twbCl.jpg) Oh and I can't use 3D with that monitor because I have a nvidia card? Not that I really care about 3D, but maybe I want to try it sometime. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
You would use any of those DVI or DisplayPort ports to achieve 120hz at native resolution. If you buy a true 120hz monitor, they will supply you with a dual-link DVI cable so use the supplied cable. Apparently you can get TriDef software to work with nVidia card though I've heard the setup and end result is not as good as nVidia's 3D Vision. If you do want to give it a try, Samsung is terrible at software support so you have to do this work around: 3D Vision Blog said: The official version for Samsung's 3D monitors is a bit old as you note, but there is a trick to get the latest official version (currently 5.1) installed and working with the Samsung. First you need to install the Samsung version as it also installs a license for the Samsung display, then you uninstall it and install the latest standard version of TriDef and it is supposed to work without asking you to activate it or get a new license as you already have the Samsung display license installed. The same trick works for LG's passive displays that also come bundled with the software. Edit: I'm not an expert at 3D so you might want to check the official TriDef forums or 3D Vision Blog for more details on how this thing works. So apparently 3D does somewhat work out of the box but you're doing the LG passive 3D trick where you end up losing half the vertical resolution: Hardforum said: OK, this is pretty interesting. I did a bunch of testing here at the office (DDD) and asked around with a couple other engineers, and here's what I found: 120Hz 3D over DVI with this Samsung monitor will only work with AMD cards (at least right now). This is because there is no "official" 120Hz 3D DVI standard, so AMD and Samsung came up with their own signalling method to make it work. We don't even know how they are doing it, just that the drivers handle it properly under the covers when Tridef is set to HD3D mode. I suppose it's possible nVidia could add support at a later date, but I find this highly unlikely, since they already have their own proprietary 120Hz signalling method. I did a whole bunch of mucking around with a 460 and a 3D Vision emitter to try and fool it into working, but no luck getting any sort of full frame 1080p 3D working at 120Hz. SBS at 120Hz does work, but you're losing half the horizontal res, so not really ideal. Now, if you had a Samsung monitor with DisplayPort, it's possible 3D might work with nVidia cards in the future, but that depends on if they add 3D DP support to 3DTV Play. Right now, 3DTV Play only support HDMI 1.4 3D, so 1080p24 would be your only option. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
Additionally any info on the ASUS PA238QR as well? Looking for the same kind of input, mostly Starcraft and single player stuff right now, but CS:GO will come into the mix as soon as it's released. Some League of Legends too, and gonna do Ghost Recon, rest of it is steam sale games that I just buy and play, so I don't care as much there, big things will be Starcraft and CS:GO. Suggestions are welcome, looking at roughly 24", price isn't terribly an issue, reasonable is what I'm looking for. Not paying twice the money for a stupid feature I won't use, basically speaking. Object is to soon get 3 monitors in total, so a smaller bezel is also welcomed, but not 100% necessity as if I really was bothered I could remove it and form my own if I really wanted to. Also, a feature I happen to like is the ability to walk away from it and it turn off. That's a neat concept for me, who doesn't do shit to save power. | ||
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Womwomwom
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The PA238Q and PA238QR probably won't be any different in any significant way. The QR version seems to be a more consumer orientated version of the Q model. So you've got inbuilt speakers and that presence detector but none of the picture-in-picture features or colour manipulation options/hardware. It seems cheaper as well, which is a good thing. Do you want to do three monitor gaming? Just to confirm: you kind of implied you want to do it in the future but didn't really make it clear. A lot of games, like Starcraft and League of Legends, won't play very well in this format because you've got far too much horizontal space to deal with. If you don't want to do Eyefinity/Surround Vision, then I honestly don't believe bezels are an issue. You kind of...don't notice them after a while. Really, the big four "gaming" IPS monitors (I'm guessing you want IPS monitors) are: - Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM. Only buy Dell monitors during Dell sale and/or have discount coupons. If you are buying multiple, try and bargain with a Dell rep on the phone. - Dell Ultrasharp U2412M. Best contrast of all four of these monitors. It is also 16:10 if you care about that. - Asus PA238QR. The only real performance benefit between this and the Dell Ultrasharp is the adjustable pixel response feature. - Eizo FS2332/FS2333 from Fnatic for 300 Euros. Main buying point is the PLS panel, which has a much less aggressive antiglare coating. You can probably talk to Eizo directly and strike a deal with them. Bottom bezel is huge, as that's where the speakers are, so probably a really bad monitor to use in portrait mode. All of these monitors have a scaler that can deal with 4:3 and 5:4 content so games like Starcraft can be presented without stretching. The Dell Ultrasharp U2412M will stretch 16: 9 content so don't get it if you want to use a PS3 with it. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
I'm in a strange phase because I'm not buying for a couple months, but the monitors I buy will define my desk I buy. My current desk is a small kidney shaped desk. I intend on getting one to start, then the other two a bit later. I want good color, and something where the colors aren't going to destroy my eyes like my shitty Acer AL1916W. Color on this thing is sub par. I can't even see my crosshair in CS:S on some maps because the color definition is absolute garbage. I could play with it, but why bother when the capacitors are ringing (very slightly, my girlfriend can't even hear it) when it's on whites. | ||
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Womwomwom
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For horizontal/horizontal/horizontal, anything will work. The Asus VH236h is an adequate and cheap 60hz TN monitor for instance. If you think your desktop is enough of a badass to push well above 60FPS at such massive resolutions, you might even look at getting 3x 120hz monitors. They'll be really good for CS:GO. Keep in mind you must be able to push well above 60hz for it to be of any benefit. Anything is going to be miles better than that Acer you have. Acer claims that specific model has 500:1 contrast...which is amazingly shitty since they generally never achieve their rated contrast anyway. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
I'm loving mine. 16:10, 24", 8 bit, IPS, awesome colour reproduction. | ||
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Womwomwom
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Wide gamut is probably not what people want either since it makes everything on the internet look over saturated. Of course your mileage may vary. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
On June 24 2012 13:55 Womwomwom wrote: OK, the top four monitors still apply then. They're your best options. For Portrait/Portrait/Portrait, you are pretty much forced to use IPS unless you want to deal with gamma shifting (top of monitor is a different tone to bottom of monitor). The Dell Ultrasharp U2412M and U2312HM are probably the best options due to unobtrusive bezels, Dell's post sales support, and affordable price when you take into account 30% off sales and discount coupons. For horizontal/horizontal/horizontal, anything will work. The Asus VH236h is an adequate and cheap 60hz TN monitor for instance. If you think your desktop is enough of a badass to push well above 60FPS at such massive resolutions, you might even look at getting 3x 120hz monitors. They'll be really good for CS:GO. Keep in mind you must be able to push well above 60hz for it to be of any benefit. Anything is going to be miles better than that Acer you have. Acer claims that specific model has 500:1 contrast...which is amazingly shitty since they generally never achieve their rated contrast anyway. Sweet thanks  Additionally, the Acer claims to have that contrast, I guarantee it's not that high. As a follow up question, I will be doing Landscape/Landscape/Landscape. That being said, may go with the Dells, but out of curiosity is there anything 120hz with that same range of panel quality? I have a very good computer, I work in computer retail, I just know jack shit about monitors. Everyone tells me Dell Ultrasharps, and I do like them, only concern I have is I've just never used one. But I am curious to give myself options, I will spend extra money for something worthwhile, just has to have a good reason. I was considering those BenQ XL series monitors, either the "RTS Gaming" one or the "FPS Gaming" one, model numbers have slipped my mind at this moment, even though I merch the boxes constantly. I don't necessarily care about 3D, but if it's available, I will probably make some use of it. More or less to try it. I usually build systems with i7's and mid-high end cards, normally high end. As of right now I'm running a 6970, and I am probably gonna upgrade in the winter to something much beefier, even 2 of them if I need to. Something like 670 or 7970. Maybe higher if I can get a good price. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Cheaper than its more “artistic” siblings but i found the Samsung S23A750D at a cheaper price than the 700D.http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-164-SA - 750D http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-S23A700-Widescreen-Monitor-Glasses/dp/B005G9C4KY - 700D | ||
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Womwomwom
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On June 25 2012 03:05 Creegz wrote: Sweet thanks Additionally, the Acer claims to have that contrast, I guarantee it's not that high. As a follow up question, I will be doing Landscape/Landscape/Landscape. That being said, may go with the Dells, but out of curiosity is there anything 120hz with that same range of panel quality? I have a very good computer, I work in computer retail, I just know jack shit about monitors. Everyone tells me Dell Ultrasharps, and I do like them, only concern I have is I've just never used one. But I am curious to give myself options, I will spend extra money for something worthwhile, just has to have a good reason. I was considering those BenQ XL series monitors, either the "RTS Gaming" one or the "FPS Gaming" one, model numbers have slipped my mind at this moment, even though I merch the boxes constantly. I don't necessarily care about 3D, but if it's available, I will probably make some use of it. More or less to try it. I usually build systems with i7's and mid-high end cards, normally high end. As of right now I'm running a 6970, and I am probably gonna upgrade in the winter to something much beefier, even 2 of them if I need to. Something like 670 or 7970. Maybe higher if I can get a good price.The Benq XL2420 is quite good but has awful monitor presets, even for a gaming monitor. You can probably fix this very easily by looking at a proper review and borrowing their monitor settings. The Benq XL2410 is terrible so don't get that no matter how cheap it is. The RTS Gaming monitor (RL2450?) from Benq is just another 60hz 2ms monitor like the Asus VH236H so there is nothing special about it - like the Benq XL monitors, the presets are awful. There is nothing out there that is true 120hz and as good as IPS. There are some 27" 2560x1440 monitors that can be "overclocked" above 60hz (can reach 120hz if you have an AMD card or GTX680) by messing with the pixel clock and GPU drivers but how far you can push the monitor depends on the GPU you have. They still won't be as good as true 120hz TN monitor in terms of raw motion performance and 27" might be too large for you but they are 2560x1440 and IPS. In most games, you're going to find it a bit hard to push well above 60hz across three screens. You pretty much need two high end GPUs for that. If you can't do that immediately, there isn't any point getting 120hz monitors. Your Acer is so shitty that a good 60hz monitor will probably blow your mind anyway. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
On June 25 2012 14:25 Womwomwom wrote: Seems the pricing has changed. I've changed the OP thanks. I really should clean up the OP. The Benq XL2420 is quite good but has awful monitor presets, even for a gaming monitor. You can probably fix this very easily by looking at a proper review and borrowing their monitor settings. The Benq XL2410 is terrible so don't get that no matter how cheap it is. The RTS Gaming monitor (RL2450?) from Benq is just another 60hz 2ms monitor like the Asus VH236H so there is nothing special about it - like the Benq XL monitors, the presets are awful. There is nothing out there that is true 120hz and as good as IPS. There are some 27" 2560x1440 monitors that can be "overclocked" above 60hz (can reach 120hz if you have an AMD card or GTX680) by messing with the pixel clock and GPU drivers but how far you can push the monitor depends on the GPU you have. They still won't be as good as true 120hz TN monitor in terms of raw motion performance and 27" might be too large for you but they are 2560x1440 and IPS. In most games, you're going to find it a bit hard to push well above 60hz across three screens. You pretty much need two high end GPUs for that. If you can't do that immediately, there isn't any point getting 120hz monitors. Your Acer is so shitty that a good 60hz monitor will probably blow your mind anyway. Thanks for all the information, I will probably get the ASUS IPS monitor, thanks again <3 | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Womwomwom
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Edit: You might have issues with input lag but I doubt its a massive problem because the U2412M doesn't really have any and TN monitors tend to have nothing much inside them. | ||
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ecksodia
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On June 27 2012 20:56 ecksodia wrote: How is the ASUS VS239H-P as a cheaper alternative to the big 4 gaming monitors? It'll be fine. It should also have the trace-free function, where you can adjust the strength of the overdrive, so it should be comparable. The build quality will probably be worse than all of the four IPS monitors I've listed so you might end up with backlight bleeding and whatnot but its also quite a bit cheaper than the other options. | ||
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ecksodia
3 Posts
On June 27 2012 23:10 Womwomwom wrote: If you're fine with 60hz, probably OK? It'll be fine. It should also have the trace-free function, where you can adjust the strength of the overdrive, so it should be comparable. The build quality will probably be worse than all of the four IPS monitors I've listed so you might end up with backlight bleeding and whatnot but its also quite a bit cheaper than the other options. Thanks. That's great to hear. How does the ML229H stack up though? | ||
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Womwomwom
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