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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
On December 01 2012 12:19 kill619 wrote: Looks pretty sick, I don't understand why someone would want to switch the caps lock and control keys around though. My HHKB is set-up like that. It's for selecting lots of things. | ||
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Sovano
United States1503 Posts
On December 01 2012 11:28 peekn wrote: So WASD just released their TKL and has some teaser stuff on their site. http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/blog That looks pretty nice from a minimalistic point of view. I like things in pure black so that helps. | ||
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Mia
75 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3818 Posts
Preferably Danish or European sites | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/upload/product/3080/feature2.jpg) Everything I've seen says otherwise, is this their error? | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:02 Alryk wrote: What makes browns considered better for RTS than Blues? They have a lower actuation force necessary right, i.e. clicking would be easier? I keep seeing that browns have less force necessary, but on the coolermaster website, it lists blue as low resistance and brown as medium resistance. Aren't browns "easier to click" or at least easier to double tap or what? Everything I've seen says otherwise, is this their error? Every company has differing definitions and words for everything. I wouldn't listen or read their specific jargon and just note the facts. The actuation force of Blues is 45g. The actuation force of Browns is 55g. To activate a key (i.e. get the button to respond), you need to apply 45g of force for Blues at the moment of actuation, 55g for Browns. Blues are lighter (lower resistance) in this sense. The difference is the feeling of the key. Because there is a noticeable bump on Blues, versus the less noticeable bump for Browns, you won't feel that difference of 10g as just 10g. Browns are easier to click in the sense that they just feel like a regular key. You press down at an almost constant force, feel a slight bump, then it continues almost as if normal. On the other hand, when you press on a Blue key, you'll notice it'll feel as though it requires slowly more and more force to get over the bump, and then the key activates. It's this different type of actuation and key-travel that makes the Browns feel less forceful, even though its actuation force is higher. Browns are easier to double-tap for this reason alone; you don't have to deal with the awkward bump of the Blues when you double-tap quickly. Not to deter you from Blues; most typists like the nice sound and feeling of that bump versus the more laid-back Brown bump. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 05 2012 10:20 Blisse wrote: Every company has differing definitions and words for everything. I wouldn't listen or read their specific jargon and just note the facts. The actuation force of Blues is 45g. The actuation force of Browns is 55g. To activate a key (i.e. get the button to respond), you need to apply 45g of force for Blues at the moment of actuation, 55g for Browns. Blues are lighter (lower resistance) in this sense. The difference is the feeling of the key. Because there is a noticeable bump on Blues, versus the less noticeable bump for Browns, you won't feel that difference of 10g as just 10g. Browns are easier to click in the sense that they just feel like a regular key. You press down at an almost constant force, feel a slight bump, then it continues almost as if normal. On the other hand, when you press on a Blue key, you'll notice it'll feel as though it requires slowly more and more force to get over the bump, and then the key activates. It's this different type of actuation and key-travel that makes the Browns feel less forceful, even though its actuation force is higher. Browns are easier to double-tap for this reason alone; you don't have to deal with the awkward bump of the Blues when you double-tap quickly. Not to deter you from Blues; most typists like the nice sound and feeling of that bump versus the more laid-back Brown bump. Heh I actually have blue right now, but I decided to switch to brown basically for that reason. I appreciate the description though, that made it very simple to understand. I am getting browns basically for that double tap reason, and wanted to ensure I wasn't messing up. | ||
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iLLusive
United States274 Posts
Are these top 2 choices on market from companies with quality experience making keyboards? Thanks for your assistance! | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:06 iLLusive wrote: Done lot of research but still having issue pulling the trigger recently until tonight! Finally had a key go out on me so I am going to finally purchase my first Mech keyboard with your help! My budget is roughly $150 with shipping at max. Right now my choices I have looked at would be Steelseries Red version of 6GV2 or Leopold/Filco with Brown or Red. I only desire Brown / Red switch for my personal needs. Are these top 2 choices on market from companies with quality experience making keyboards? Thanks for your assistance! Leopold and Filco afaik are both makers of keyboards with enormously better quality than steelseries. | ||
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phar
United States1080 Posts
On December 01 2012 12:19 kill619 wrote: Looks pretty sick, I don't understand why someone would want to switch the caps lock and control keys around though. emacs + a desire to not completely fucking destroy your left hand | ||
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Pekkle
United States7 Posts
On December 05 2012 13:06 iLLusive wrote: Done lot of research but still having issue pulling the trigger recently until tonight! Finally had a key go out on me so I am going to finally purchase my first Mech keyboard with your help! My budget is roughly $150 with shipping at max. Right now my choices I have looked at would be Steelseries Red version of 6GV2 or Leopold/Filco with Brown or Red. I only desire Brown / Red switch for my personal needs. Are these top 2 choices on market from companies with quality experience making keyboards? Thanks for your assistance! I just got my 6gv2 Cherry MX switch keyboard and I have to say I fell in love with it instantly. The sound is beautiful and the feeling is very fluid and fast. I personally love low resistance so this was a huge plus for me. Steelseries did a good job on this keyboard as it feels very high quality and sturdy. | ||
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ripster
United States64 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:00 phar wrote: emacs + a desire to not completely fucking destroy your left hand You'll never know until you try it. But it IS as God Intended! http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/znpnh/autohotkeyscript_in_comments_for_mapping_ctrl_to/ | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
On December 05 2012 23:59 ripster wrote: You'll never know until you try it. But it IS as God Intended! http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/znpnh/autohotkeyscript_in_comments_for_mapping_ctrl_to/ U and ur scripts. Ur such a nerd. | ||
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iLLusive
United States274 Posts
On December 05 2012 22:10 Pekkle wrote: I just got my 6gv2 Cherry MX switch keyboard and I have to say I fell in love with it instantly. The sound is beautiful and the feeling is very fluid and fast. I personally love low resistance so this was a huge plus for me. Steelseries did a good job on this keyboard as it feels very high quality and sturdy. Thanks for the details and is the red switch generally quiet? Right now I have a basic Gateway keyboard but it is not very loud so hoping to keep the same range of noise. | ||
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Lu_e
United States95 Posts
Reds are considered 'soft touch' because the springs are light & they're linear, im on reds right now and I don't think I would have a problem with blacks being stiffer, if anything the stiffer springs will promote LESS bottoming out noise. The thing I love about linear switches is that there are no extra bumps or clicks which can actually cause resistance. This also adds to reds 'lightness' Plate type mount is primarily a metal (usually steel) plate under the keycaps (covering the circuit board). Some keyboards use NO plate at all to support the switches. Instead the keys mount directly onto the printed circuit board, (PCB mount). These boards are also easier to open & modify, right down to taking the switches apart. Any major brand PLATE mounted board wont let you take the switches apart without de-soldering them from the PCB under the plate. Accesories like 'soft landing pads' and o-rings are easy to install and assist in bottoming and alter noise. Even custom keycaps have different materials/thicknesses altering audio. Even your TYPING STYLE comes into play in terms of noise, & is perhaps one of the bigger factors. There are even rubber 'stickers' that go between the switches themselves 2 halves. (somewhat advanced mod. that requires PCB mount or de-soldering or building your own keyboard kit. (yes they exist and are $$$). Sorry for the long post but things are extremely foggy if you've never delved into mech. boards. In summary; yes reds are considered some of the quieter CherryMX SWITCHES, but as said there are many other factors to a mechanical keyboard's noise. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Page with sketches: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/mx.htm (the stem's movement is shorter than the top half of the switch) | ||
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Lu_e
United States95 Posts
I guess what I meant is its more that the plate creates a 'solid' mount which can contribute to noise resonating/echo I think. (PING!) PCB mount is "softer" some do indeed say as well, at the cost of sturdiness? perhaps | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Pekkle
United States7 Posts
On December 07 2012 03:51 iLLusive wrote: Thanks for the details and is the red switch generally quiet? Right now I have a basic Gateway keyboard but it is not very loud so hoping to keep the same range of noise. Generally speaking I would say they are not that quiet.. however it really depends how hard you hit the keys. I hit kind of hard so it is noticeably louder than blues. I've heard every switch, to me the quietest is black. Even brown sounds kind of somewhat loud. But the feel for the reds makes up for its loud sound. That is my own personal insight. Hope that helps! | ||
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ljd1131
Australia83 Posts
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